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RepMorris October 20th, 2013 9:44pm

Virtual Government Announcement. President Trepidhickory will be nominating a new Secretary of State to replace now Vice President NathanE. He will now hear from any Congressmen seeking nomination to be Secretary of State in the Comments.

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NDAmerican Florida
10/20/13 6:44 pm

Diplomacy is one area I'm not strong at, so I would not recommend me, I'm definitely an economic nerd lol.

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Minyanko Tumblr
10/20/13 6:05 pm

Hello! Just give me a job and I'll do it!

veritas1 Panda
10/20/13 5:21 pm

Is the Secretary of the Treasury position officially open yet?

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
10/20/13 9:13 pm

I think the Supreme Court still needs to vote to impeach

FIAT2LUX On Planet Earth
10/20/13 4:54 pm

I'm up to it if I'm clearly told what is expected of me so that I perform well and don't embarrass anyone by not doing my job.

FIAT2LUX On Planet Earth
10/20/13 9:09 pm

Israel? You want to get me started on that lovely land of the Bible?

Let me put it this way. I believe we should support Israel. Do we need to make them our sole focus? Nah. There's also the fact that the two of us tend to get along pretty well…

FIAT2LUX On Planet Earth
10/20/13 9:09 pm

so long as we aren't bickering about their relations with their neighbors, or are rude to them. They are a shining example of a modern first world country that in less than a century went from wasteland to the talk of the world (again), creating…

FIAT2LUX On Planet Earth
10/20/13 9:10 pm

spectacular scientific achievements, and boasting an impressive military for such a tiny country.

But while we're talking about their neighbors, I may as well speak. I think they've done fine. It's difficult to stand on your own ground…

FIAT2LUX On Planet Earth
10/20/13 9:10 pm

when many call for your destruction, try to frame you, and try to regain control in a multi-millennia long struggle over the land.

Have they made mistakes? Duh. What mortal or collection of mortals doesn't? Even we as a…

FIAT2LUX On Planet Earth
10/20/13 9:11 pm

country have made plenty of mistakes with the native peoples whom we conquered.

I take various issues with Israel step-by-step with these things in mind. 1. Israel rightfully owns the…

FIAT2LUX On Planet Earth
10/20/13 9:11 pm

land. 2. Israel has a biblical obligation to not oppress foreigners living among them, or other peoples who live there (think "palestinians"). 3. Israel's enemies are vicious. 4. We don't necessarily need to step into their affairs…

FIAT2LUX On Planet Earth
10/20/13 9:12 pm

unless requested. 5. We should mostly treat them as any other sovereign nation.

Those are my thoughts about Israel that done to mind right now.

Any other questions about Israel, or anything else related to foreign policy?

SugarShaq
10/20/13 9:20 pm

Most excellent Fiat. :) Tonight's been a fun discussion.

FIAT2LUX On Planet Earth
10/21/13 6:16 am

@veritas… haha, but not yet. @trepidhickory is still serving his term.

zdl2442 Right Here
10/20/13 3:57 pm

I would like to be considered for this position.

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/20/13 3:57 pm

qualifications? beliefs?

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
10/20/13 4:21 pm

What beach said

zdl2442 Right Here
10/20/13 5:22 pm

I am an independent that is slightly right leaning. I am all for reusable energy, I believe in a smaller government, and I think we shouldn't be the world police but we should help our allies in times of war, wether it be aid or troops on the ground.

zdl2442 Right Here
10/20/13 7:32 pm

I believe that we should help protect the Israelis from the Palestinians, for they are our main ally in the Middle East. We also should protect South Korea if North Korea feels the need to invade.

zdl2442 Right Here
10/20/13 7:39 pm

We should make our military smaller, and focus more on defending the US and it's allies rather than using force to sustain "peace" in other countries.

jakecrs905 New York, NY
10/20/13 3:32 pm

I endorse brian11g for Secretary of State.

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brian11g New York
10/20/13 3:34 pm

Thank you!

MJSeals Esq.
10/20/13 4:28 pm

I like the yankees

MJSeals Esq.
10/20/13 4:29 pm

And Brian! I love Brian's political views!

brian11g New York
10/20/13 4:31 pm

Thanks mj

brian11g New York
10/20/13 5:06 pm

Two state solution simple

SugarShaq
10/20/13 6:09 pm

Brian, please see my thoughts below regarding a two state solution. Will that satisfy Arabs?

MJSeals Esq.
10/20/13 3:31 pm

Or Political! He'd be great

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zman117 Ohio
10/20/13 3:32 pm

He is a justice

MJSeals Esq.
10/20/13 3:35 pm

Or JiveYoungKing

political Georgia
10/20/13 5:20 pm

I love my job as justice!

MrAngerer
10/20/13 3:26 pm

I would love to be considered for this position

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MJSeals Esq.
10/20/13 3:31 pm

I'd support him

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
10/20/13 3:41 pm

Can you lay out yout foreign policy beliefs?

MrAngerer
10/20/13 3:42 pm

I think that we should maintain positive relations and maintain an emphasis on free trade. We should avoid negative relationships with any nation. I also think we should have a military stance similar to Switzerland.

MJSeals Esq.
10/20/13 3:44 pm

The best thing we can do in Russia is speak with Putin and try to fight him, your just going to lose. Diplomacy before Bombs. I like Henry Kissinger's Shuttle Diplomacy. Get more meeting between US and N Korea.

MJSeals Esq.
10/20/13 3:46 pm

I am more isolationist but then involvest, we should only get involved if we can get UN Security Council to back us

MrAngerer
10/20/13 3:53 pm

As far as terrorist issues go, the best form of anti-terrorism insurance is to remove all troops from the Middle East, stop attempts to either preserve or change their current governments, and end all government-to-government aid.

MrAngerer
10/20/13 3:53 pm

Nobody likes foreign troops on their soil. It breeds ill-will.

MJSeals Esq.
10/20/13 4:13 pm

I fully support Mr.Angerer

MrAngerer
10/20/13 4:27 pm

I am extremely humbled. :) thank you!

SugarShaq
10/20/13 4:55 pm

I would like to know where you guys, and all potential SOS stand on Israel.

MrAngerer
10/20/13 5:15 pm

No aid. No involvement with them whatsoever.

SugarShaq
10/20/13 5:18 pm

Israel is one of our biggest allies in the world. Have you considered what would happen to them and the Mideast if we abandon them?

MrAngerer
10/20/13 5:28 pm

Allies? They seem more like a leach to me.

SugarShaq
10/20/13 5:33 pm

Israel doesn't need our money. They need our protection to continue to exist at all.

SugarShaq
10/20/13 5:38 pm

Watch Third Reich: Rise and Fall on the history channel sometime. It's shocking.

MrAngerer
10/20/13 5:40 pm

If they need a foreign countrys protection to exist, do they really deserve to exist at all?

SugarShaq
10/20/13 5:49 pm

Oy vey

What would you do with the Jewish people?

MJSeals Esq.
10/20/13 5:52 pm

LateGreat is that you or your daughter?

SugarShaq
10/20/13 5:55 pm

Ha, I wish is was me. I'm still trying to fix her up with a nice young conservative. ;)

SugarShaq
10/20/13 5:56 pm

I only see my big brother pic

MJSeals Esq.
10/20/13 5:57 pm

I see a cute young women with your older brother. GF I assume?

SugarShaq
10/20/13 6:07 pm

Sorry MJ, I am confusing you. I only see my "big brother is watching". I can't see the changed avatar. But yes, that is her...in honor of the FSU blow out last night! In all her FSU garb.

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
10/20/13 6:59 pm

LateGreat, I am now officially your biggest fan and best friend on SoH, if you'll have me. There id no higher foreign policy priority for the US than to support and defend the sovereign state of Israel, and its capital city, Jerusalem. I support the

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
10/20/13 7:04 pm

return of Gaza and the West Bank and am adamantly opposed to trading land for false promises of peace. I want the "Palestinians" disarmed and given the choice to respect Israeli rule or be relocated to Jordan as originally offered. It's time to stand

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
10/20/13 7:07 pm

strong as the proud, ancient, and holy nation that entered its Promised Land centuries ago. I am a Christian who loves Israel and the Jewish people. :-)

SugarShaq
10/20/13 7:27 pm

:) Tlaney. We know Israel will never cease to exist. As I always say: the end is written. The history has to play out.

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
10/20/13 3:16 pm

You're already in my cabinet bro

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
10/20/13 3:20 pm

And he switched are you saying you want to switch cabinet positions?

MJSeals Esq.
10/20/13 3:22 pm

I'll always throw my name around. Sec of State is a big title,me it you would need a new Sec of Homeland if you want another election

SugarShaq
10/20/13 5:31 pm

Mr president, I urge you to please pick a Secretary of State who will continue our allied relationship with Israel.

NDAmerican Florida
10/20/13 7:06 pm

The Israeli relations are important!!

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
10/20/13 9:12 pm

LateGreat I can assure you I will be heavily influenced by their willingness to support Israel.

MJSeals Esq.
10/20/13 9:13 pm

I ❤️ Israel!

zman117 Ohio
10/20/13 3:03 pm

Whoever does end up getting this position, for your own good and the rest of us' sanity, please for the love of God be active. Because if not I will impeach you!! Muah haha

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zman117 Ohio
10/20/13 3:04 pm

And Trepid please don't select somebody that has only made like 20 comments lol


If they meet that requirement, they have my endorsement!

Zackisan VC Member
10/20/13 2:59 pm

I want to be considered for Secretary of State.
As Secretary of State, I will use a policy that is a cross between Dollar Diplomacy and Big Stick Diplomacy that will use economics and trade as a primary platform for diplomatic relations

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Zackisan VC Member
10/20/13 3:01 pm

I also want to focus on improving our relationship with India in order to gain a strong ally in that part of the world. I am committed to being full active in in order to fulfill the duties as Secretary of State if selected.

Zackisan VC Member
10/20/13 3:38 pm

In regards to immigration, I support immigration reform specifically making the immigration and citizenship application process simpler and faster

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/20/13 3:42 pm

How do you plan to be an ally with India and Pakistan at the same time? keep in mind that Pakistan is rumored to have nuclear weapons.

Zackisan VC Member
10/20/13 3:46 pm

I understand that there is some tension between India and Pakistan but they are not enemies. I think if we ally with both countries we can reduce the tension between them and bring a source of diplomatic stability in the Middle East

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/20/13 3:49 pm

Just like we did with Israel?

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/20/13 3:51 pm

Tell me how you expect that to work if they hate each other and can't even resolve disputed territory still?

Zackisan VC Member
10/20/13 3:53 pm

They have shown that they can work together through the 2001 and 2005 earthquakes in each of their countries

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/20/13 3:55 pm

But must we rely on natural disasters? would you be one? how would you work that?

Zackisan VC Member
10/20/13 3:58 pm

Trade between the 2 countries has increased in recent years, they have maintained relations through SAARC, they have cooperated over Indus River system

Zackisan VC Member
10/20/13 4:00 pm

All of this is evidence that shows India and Pakistan can cooperate which can be furthered if the U.S works with both countries

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/20/13 4:01 pm

Why should we be concerned with Pakistan and India?

bethanyq Ess Eff
10/20/13 4:02 pm

You mention favoring big stick diplomacy - to what end? How do you see America's appropriate place in world affairs?

Zackisan VC Member
10/20/13 4:11 pm

We should be concerned with India and Pakistan because a good relationship between them along with Israel's stability can bring much more peace to that region

Zackisan VC Member
10/20/13 4:14 pm

In world affairs, the United States should only be concerned with protecting ourselves, our direct interests, and supporting our allies. I support the United States's involvement in the United Nations.

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/20/13 4:15 pm

but if they're great friends, then what can they offer to the stability of the area?

Zackisan VC Member
10/20/13 4:15 pm

The United States should be a diplomatic not militaristic advocate for peace and democracy

Zackisan VC Member
10/20/13 4:19 pm

Their united strength will counteract the regions instability and conflict. They can also be a platform for negotiation

Zackisan VC Member
10/20/13 5:17 pm

Israel- ally who we should support But regarding Israel-Palestine conflict, a two-state option is what I favor

SugarShaq
10/20/13 5:29 pm

Arabs have 600 times the land of Israel. Will Palestinians be happy with state recognition? Israel has given back lots of land, it's never enough. Will they leave Israel alone if they are recognized as a state? Just throwing out ideas..

bethanyq Ess Eff
10/20/13 6:27 pm

Late, it is important not to confuse Arabs generally with the stateless persons living in contested area. None of the countries supposedly siding w them will grant them citizenship. They mostly use their state of flux as an excuse to attack Israel.

SugarShaq
10/20/13 6:47 pm

when they have statehood they will find another reason to attack Israel. The goal is annihilation of the Jewish people, nothing less. Arabs have 600 times the land of Israel. Any one of those countries could carve out land for a Palestinian state.

bethanyq Ess Eff
10/20/13 7:23 pm

Who is "they"? Why would statehood affect things one way or another? Like I said, the other countries don't want these people and won't take them.

zman117 Ohio
10/20/13 8:03 pm

What is all this "they" stuff? Not only is that painting a large group of people with a broad brush, but honestly, it's moronic. You do realize there is more than just Jews vs "they" right?
There are kurds, persians, turks, and Arabs.

zman117 Ohio
10/20/13 8:04 pm

Not to mention Sunni and Shia Muslims that can't get along. But for some reason far too many people have no knowledge of this and so we hear this "they" stuff.

Like Bethany said, nobody wants the refugees. Plain and simple.

zman117 Ohio
10/20/13 8:06 pm

The Palestinians had that land and were kicked out. The situation is nothing short of sickening. The Palestinians have every right to have a state there too.

SugarShaq
10/20/13 8:10 pm

It was Britain's land. They gave it to Israel. And again, do you think the Palestinians will be happy when they get statehood?

(They likely will, btw, but rebuilding the temple will also likely be part of the deal. It's already written.)

SugarShaq
10/20/13 8:12 pm

"They" was Palestinians. I only have 250 letters. :/

zman117 Ohio
10/20/13 8:13 pm

I say again don't lump the Palestinians in with the other "they's". So your "600 times more land" argument is irrelevant. They very much could be content with it. But that doesn't mean that you oppress that many people out of fear.

bethanyq Ess Eff
10/20/13 8:14 pm

Late, when you say "already written," if you are referring to religious texts, we can't make plans for international diplomacy based on those texts (except to the extent that we need to bear in mind that a lot of people in the region may find

bethanyq Ess Eff
10/20/13 8:15 pm

religious texts persuasive and/or prophetic). My point is less that the two-state solution solves everything and more that it is slightly more complicated than "Arabs/Palestinians are bad guys." Btw, my brother in law is former IDF and an Israeli

bethanyq Ess Eff
10/20/13 8:16 pm

citizen. I am far from anti-Israel. I want peace and justice for as many as possible. Unfortunately, solutions are not easy to find.

SugarShaq
10/20/13 8:18 pm

Z, you didn't answer the question....will Palestinians be content with Statehood? Will they live in peace with Israel with statehood.

zman117 Ohio
10/20/13 8:20 pm

I'm not even going to claim to know the true answer to that. But I no doubt support it, like I said, your basis of why you don't is completely false.

SugarShaq
10/20/13 8:23 pm

Of course we shouldn't Bethany. And it is quite opposite of what you say. It is written because it will happen. Not we make it happen because it is written.

Israel existing again was written. The temple being rebuilt is written.

SugarShaq
10/20/13 8:27 pm

I never said I didn't support it z. I only don't think if Palestinians get statehood that the war with Israel will stop.

zman117 Ohio
10/20/13 8:27 pm

Late, I'm not trolling and I'm not intentionally starting an argument. But honestly, do you know what/how the modern Zionist movement started? Who it is? What they have done? Their intentions?

bethanyq Ess Eff
10/20/13 8:27 pm

Late, what I mean is that when you say "it is written" it sounds like you mean it as in "therefore x." If I misunderstand your meaning I beg your pardon. I am just saying that international diplomacy must be based on universal/pluralistic bases. And

zman117 Ohio
10/20/13 8:27 pm

I saw your comments above to tlaney so I now know where you are coming from and why you have the views you do on this situation.

zman117 Ohio
10/20/13 8:27 pm

Like I said, it is an honest question because I personally think that many people have good intentions and are simply misguided on this topic.

bethanyq Ess Eff
10/20/13 8:29 pm

while it is reasonable to premise diplomatic solutions in part on the likelihood of compliance with treaties, it can't be a prerequisite to demonstrate guaranteed compliance w certainty. Also FYI mainstream Israel generally favors 2-state solution.

zman117 Ohio
10/20/13 8:29 pm

www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Doctrines/Zionism/zionism.htm

I think this is something you should read. You don't have to agree with everything it says, but it brings up a lot of good points.

zman117 Ohio
10/20/13 8:30 pm

"The New Testament teaches that Christians are to focus on the heavenly Jerusalem, not the earthly one, John 4:21, Galatians 4:24-28, Hebrews 12:18-24."

bethanyq Ess Eff
10/20/13 8:30 pm

Agree z. It is a very tricky issue bc there are a lot of innocents and genuinely well-intentioned people on all sides. I wish I knew a rock solid good, workable, and fair solution.

zman117 Ohio
10/20/13 8:31 pm

"We are told in Hebrews 11:13-16 that even Abraham has no further interest in a restored Jewish state on earth, because he is in a much better place in heaven."

I think there is a large chunk of the Bible that many people ignore on this subject.

SugarShaq
10/20/13 8:32 pm

Yes, I personally believe the history of Israel has been foretold. From beginning to end. But, this thread really isn't the place for a long religious discussion. I support Israel's right to exist and prefer a SOS who supports that as well.

zman117 Ohio
10/20/13 8:33 pm

Exactly. I think most people can agree that it is a very tricky issue. Both sides have committed atrocities, that is a fact. Both sides have innocents that are being harmed. It is a real shame and a perfect solution is honestly nearly impossible.

bethanyq Ess Eff
10/20/13 8:34 pm

Late, that is completely fine and I totally respect your right to believe that. I too believe Israel has the right to exist as do I think the vast majority of Americans. But that does not provide a ready answer for how to approach diplo in the region

zman117 Ohio
10/20/13 8:35 pm

I said "exactly" to Bethany, not late! Lol

Late, that is fine that you believe that. But I only supplied like 5 bible verses. It would take mere seconds to check out sometime. It would be interesting to see how you can explain that.

SugarShaq
10/20/13 8:45 pm

Z, I skimmed through and have read in depth very similar. They can never explain away the fact of Israel's current existence and the aligning of world events. But, only time will tell us, right? We have to agree to disagree....again. :)

SugarShaq
10/20/13 8:46 pm

Also, that's why I always say to watch for the temple rebuilding. At that point we should not need further proof.

zman117 Ohio
10/20/13 8:50 pm

Well we will have to agree to disagree there too lol

I'm not ready to do anything just because a temple is built. There are coincidences

MisterE Conservistan
10/20/13 2:55 pm

I'd like to be considered for this position.

NateE Moderate Republican
10/20/13 2:57 pm

Tell trepid your views and goals, plus of you can be active

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
10/20/13 3:05 pm

Just so that people can reference this poll if you go up for nomination

MisterE Conservistan
10/20/13 3:37 pm

I'm a noninterventionist, but I understand that decreasing our military presence would cause a power vacuum. I would negotiate to reduce trade barriers with all nations. I have extensive knowledge of international politics. I also believe that war

MisterE Conservistan
10/20/13 3:41 pm

should be a last resort and that negotiation should always be attempted before taking such drastic measures. I willing to compromise with other nations and fellow congressmen to get a deal that will benefit both parties. I literally can't stop...

MisterE Conservistan
10/20/13 3:42 pm

using this app so I'll always be on here.

brian11g New York
10/20/13 2:52 pm

You can put me in the hat!

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NateE Moderate Republican
10/20/13 2:57 pm

Make sure you can be active, no more impeachments

brian11g New York
10/20/13 2:58 pm

I am pro life in most circumstances,

zman117 Ohio
10/20/13 3:00 pm

Or else I will IMPEACH YOU!

spicysteve M14D SBS
10/20/13 3:01 pm

⬆️ I endorse Brian! ⬆️

brian11g New York
10/20/13 3:03 pm

I am in favor for reusable energy, I stand for immigration reform, I am against affordable health care/ Obama care, I want to reduce military spending, taxing businesses that move to foreign countries support those that stay in the US, improve

zman117 Ohio
10/20/13 3:05 pm

SoS doesn't really have anything to do with our healthcare

brian11g New York
10/20/13 3:06 pm

Our education system, create a larger gap for the middle class and help the middle class, try to creat jobs by hiring private companies to do public work projects that's all I have if you have anymore questions please ask

brian11g New York
10/20/13 3:08 pm

I am active I go on the app almost every time I receive a notification

SugarShaq
10/20/13 3:26 pm

I second Steve's endorsement of Brian.

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/20/13 3:53 pm

But what about foreign affairs. I would have to vote against you on domestic, but I don't think you highlighted many foreign policies there.

brian11g New York
10/20/13 3:55 pm

I mean I don't think we should have so many troops in other countries we need to STOP being the "world policeman" great point to bring up sir

SugarShaq
10/20/13 4:56 pm

Your views on Israel Brian!

SugarShaq
10/20/13 4:57 pm

Oops...?

NateE Moderate Republican
10/20/13 2:48 pm

I would like to thank all of you guys for your support of me, I was humbled by it. I received 78% from the Democrats, 79% from the Republicans, 67% from the Independents, and 77% from the Libertarians. I'd like them to be at 100% though lol

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MJSeals Esq.
10/20/13 3:16 pm

Nathan remember who helped you :P

NateE Moderate Republican
10/20/13 3:17 pm

Yeah I remember that man haha. Thank you

Mattwall1
10/20/13 2:50 pm

So you follow big stick diplomacy?

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
10/20/13 2:51 pm

beach you're already Secretary of education is that not enough!? haha

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/20/13 2:59 pm

What the hey? I thought Matt was? I never got a notification on a repsonse to my post?

zman117 Ohio
10/20/13 3:00 pm

Beach I think the conservatives would explode if you were up for another confirmation lol

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
10/20/13 3:03 pm

Nope matt is a justice you won Secretary of education haha

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/20/13 3:03 pm

Wait...I missed my own confirmation??? what were the numbers?

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
10/20/13 3:05 pm

It was really close you can check the history page and look under trepidhickory administration