Hypothetical: If Osama Bin Laden had never been captured, but instead spent the rest of his life selflessly serving and feeding the poor, would you say his many years of quiet service made up for 9-11?
No. I'm not even sure he's dead.
No. But I would commend him for his service attempts to make up for his atrocities.
No - but just like the nazi soldier, he would have to live with what he has done. Ultimately his forgiveness is between he and his God
He was given far too much respect on death.
Not just a no but a big hell no!
No. Same logic for the death camp guard. It's up to God, but to me some crimes are just too heinous. But then again I am not our loving and forgiving God.
The nazi was following orders were he would be killed if he disobeyed
Osama essentially ruled the Taliban, he wasn't just following orders, but issuing them
The guard did not instigate the death camps.
Not even close. NO
Who are the 11% that said yes? Doing good doesn't erase the bad.
You are so right! But who are the 54% who said yes, in the other poll about the concentration camp guard?
No. If you said yes, you need to feel what it is like to have lost someone to 9/11. All those lives, lost because of hate. It's a sad thing. Some things you can't forget. My mom still carries around a picture of Osama bin Laden. Says it reminds her
of what hate can really do.
At 80 years of age if it really makes you feel better to but him in prison, go ahead. You aren't doing it for any other reason than revenge.
I think that if he hadn't been found for 60 years and we learned that he had given his life to making society a better place, for those 60 years, then yes.
It wouldn't "make up for" it, but that's not really a very helpful measure IMO. Life isn't a series of karmic exchanges. People aren't "good" or "evil" as though that's some kind of quantifiable characteristic. Morality isn't currency.
No. Some things cannot be atoned for.
No, again it wouldn't make up for it. Something I should have said in the other poll is...does he still have hate in his heart for the group of people he harmed?
I think that's certainly a good question when considering the fate of his soul. For here on Earth though, I think there are certain crimes that can't really be made up for, at least not in such a mundane way.
I agree tyrian.
But, in the other poll, I believe you said we should forgive the hypothetical concentration camp guard. So, if 70 years passed, would that be enough time to forgive bin Laden for his crime? I know it's hard to make an exact comparison, because ...
... bin Laden is an old man and won't live another 70 years. I'm just trying to get an idea how you feel.
You see, many people (including myself) could NEVER forgive bin Laden for murdering so many innocent Americans, no matter what ...
... "good deeds" he might do or how many years might pass.
No. As I posted on the other poll, that's up to God to forgive
Not trolling, Tony. Just curious if people's opinions change based on the crime.
Thanks, I was wondering if maybe the holocaust is just too long ago for people to really have a good perspective on it. This way there's some emotion mixed into it rather than it being a purely intellectual exercise (for some, anyway).
Great question! And why would you think Tony might see it as trolling?
Oh, I don't know... I guess I'm worried people might see me as bombastic and abrasive sometimes. It comes from how I used to behave on here a long time ago before I started to get to know everyone. I was a little confrontational and over-zealous
And we can sure see the difference in how people look at this one!
Yeah, but I wasn't expecting the low rating on the question.
I'm surprised, too! The only way I can explain it is, you made people uncomfortable - which is not a bad thing.
I hope you don't mind that I shared this. If you are not upgraded, it will close quicker.
Oh, not at all, thanks! I'm upgraded, so it'll be cool to see a larger sample. :)