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Praetorianus October 20th, 2013 12:49am

Religious Q: this is a tough one. I think. IF you believe Christ is the only way to salvation, then what happens to people who were born before Christ, or never heard of Him? Think jungle tribes before modern communication or missionaries.

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dryanmorr
10/19/13 11:24 pm

It's not hard. They were called Jews.

dryanmorr
10/19/13 11:28 pm

For those before Christ. As a Catholic, we basically believe for those who have not had the opportunity to accept Christ will got to heaven. Called baptism by desire.

JanuaryLove
10/21/13 11:58 am

How could you desire baptism, though, if you haven't heard of Christ?

dryanmorr
10/21/13 12:27 pm

Google it. Basically if someone who never had the opportunity to accept Christ but would have and lived a moral life, that would be baptism by desire.

JanuaryLove
10/21/13 12:45 pm

Which goes back to working your way to Heaven, which I don't believe in, anyway.

Thanks, though, for explaining.

JanuaryLove
10/21/13 12:48 pm

Ephesians 2:8-9

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

dryanmorr
10/23/13 12:07 am

And that is why I said as a Catholic, not a Protestant. Catholics believe in faith and works...no need for theological debate or throwing random verses around...it's the Catholic view.

osouless Whats Next
10/19/13 9:51 pm

Technically the church (roman catholic) says that those who have never heard the word aren't sent to hell, simply given access to a sort of decent purgatory. When they've redeemed themselves they're allo

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EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
10/19/13 8:35 pm

Don't know if Dante applies in Inferno: within the first circle of hell is the shining city where the Greeks reside. They didn't sin, other than not knowing Christ (by Dante's reckoning) so they can't get into Heaven, but get the nicest place in Hell

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EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
10/19/13 8:36 pm

Except for many places here on Earth...

FIAT2LUX On Planet Earth
10/19/13 7:37 pm

It depends. Abraham and David would be two examples of people who would be saved because they were following what had been revealed to then about God at that time. Jungle tribe worshipping another God however, they aren't saved because as scripture…

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FIAT2LUX On Planet Earth
10/19/13 7:40 pm

says, "For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. (Romans 1:20 NIV)"

Praetorianus Fair enough.
10/19/13 7:43 pm

Romans 1:20 could also mean they may see the light.. I used it below to support that.

FIAT2LUX On Planet Earth
10/19/13 8:38 pm

Sorry. I didn't understand your example.

ZiggySpringer Fields of Trenzalore
10/19/13 7:04 pm

They will have an opportunity to accept the gospel

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PartyJustin R.O.C.K. in the R.O.C.
10/19/13 7:38 pm

Not everyone who has ever lived has heard about Christianity or Jesus.

makem Chinese Xinjiang Camp
10/19/13 6:58 pm

I think they're in hell, isn't that why Jesus is coming again "in glory to judge the living and the dead" ?

JaidOC Macon, GA
10/19/13 6:49 pm

God judges everyone differently. He understands that there are people who have never had the opportunity to love Him.

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PartyJustin R.O.C.K. in the R.O.C.
10/19/13 7:38 pm

Though it never says that in the bible. Doesn't it state the only way to salvation is to accept Jesus as your savior? Doesn't leave much up to interpretation.

JaidOC Macon, GA
10/20/13 6:30 am

God wants people to be with Him in heaven. He will not abandon someone who has not had the opportunity to know Him.

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
10/19/13 6:44 pm

I can only answer the first part. When Jesus died, he descended to the holding place of the dead (not yet a place of torment, but not Heaven). He explained the Gospel to those who had died previously (Peter says He "preached to the spirits in

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TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
10/19/13 7:02 pm

prison."), and they had the opportunity to accept His Salvation and go to Heaven.
I can't answer the second part. To the best of my knowledge, Scripture somewhere indicates that all of Creation reflects the existence of God, making unbelievers

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
10/19/13 7:04 pm

without excuse. But I need to find that Scripture and come to a real solid conclusion. Anybody out there wanna help? :-)

tayen Illinois
10/19/13 7:10 pm

Are you thinking of Psalm 19:1?

Praetorianus Fair enough.
10/19/13 7:15 pm

Not bad. May I add Romans 1:20 ;)
www.icr.org/bible/Romans/1/20/

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
10/19/13 7:26 pm

It must have been Romans 1:20 that I heard someone teaching on. Ps. 19:1 is related, too, but I think Paul's statement may not bode well for those who fail to worship the Creator, by whatever name they may know Him. Beyond that, I just can't

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
10/19/13 7:30 pm

deliver a hard-and-fast, this is what the Bible teaches verdict. I know that the Gospel will be preached to all peoples, but a tribesman in 1000 AD? Dunno. :-)

Praetorianus Fair enough.
10/19/13 7:31 pm

Maybe some know in their heart.

Mattwall1
10/19/13 6:36 pm

For accurate results, take off one red vote

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
10/19/13 7:09 pm

matt, you do know that all you have to do to change a red vote is to press the blue button, don't you? It will automatically subtract the red vote as it adds the blue one. Really.

Mattwall1
10/19/13 7:12 pm

Yes but my way I've studied about the historical debate over this theological question and the purely theological side has led me to believe according to most denominations they'd likely be in hell or limbo. But I'm not Christian so it gives an

Mattwall1
10/19/13 7:12 pm

Gives* slightly false data

skinner Wisconsin
10/19/13 6:11 pm

Christ saves all people who live good lives regardless of belief.

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tayen Illinois
10/19/13 6:52 pm

Where is that supported biblically?

Praetorianus Fair enough.
10/19/13 7:06 pm

It isn't. John 14:6.

alynn Somewhere wonderful
10/19/13 5:58 pm

For those people unreached by missionaries... Scripture says that " the heavens declare the glory of God", and those who truly seek their Creator will be found of Him.

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tayen Illinois
10/19/13 5:56 pm

There is no one concrete answer. Pre-Christ: see the Old Testament. It was through their faith in God and sacrifices. Unreached: God is everywhere, even if we are not. His fingerprints are all across creation, He is there to be found if we seek Him,

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tayen Illinois
10/19/13 5:58 pm

and He can come to us, as well (through visions/dreams, missionaries, the Bible, or even something like an insistent feeling that there is a god out there). There is no such thing as truly entirely unreached.

alynn Somewhere wonderful
10/19/13 5:54 pm

Those who lived before Christ died had faith that there would be a Savior who would one day die for their sins, just as we who have lived after he died have faith that he already did. it is the same face... They looked forward and we look back.

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alynn Somewhere wonderful
10/19/13 5:54 pm

Sorry..meant it is the same faith.

Praetorianus Fair enough.
10/19/13 5:53 pm

I quote the Pope: Who am I to judge?
I voted saved only to be able to comment.

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MJSeals J.D.
10/19/13 5:52 pm

They would be called "anonymous Christians" as long as they lived a good life they can still be saved

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Liberty 4,032,064
10/19/13 5:52 pm

The way i understand, "The Law" was symbolic and they were saved by their faith that the savior would come.

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thewheel
10/19/13 5:51 pm

Well, do they believe that there WILL be a savior? If so, yes. (Ex. Abraham)

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