The phrase "non-essential workers" was used to describe the government employees who were sent home during the shutdown. Is that an unfair label?
Essential workers are those who must work or else. They keep basic operations running. These are the ones that are not excused even in case of national disaster (blizzard, hurricane). They are the last to evacuate, the last to shut down.
The jobs were "essential" enough to create and fill. I would be offended.
Those workers are now going to double-dip. Unemployment and back pay.
You know your Federal government is too big when 60% of personnel are "essential".
So during the shutdown, most of government was business as usual.
Why do we *have* so-called "non-essentia"l workers?! Fire them immediately.
I am not defending non-essential but it is defined by laws and regs. So are the social workers essential? Is the Corps of Engineers essential? Are the air controllers essential? USGS?
I think the essential comes from whether or not you use the services being provided.
Call a spade a spade.
They're American working people trying to make a living. That's essential to me.
Somehow America survived without those tax payer money wasting entities!
Doesn't Congress have that label? Lol
Haha! Omg nice
Unfair which was obviously proven over and over.
The workers at the congressional gym were deemed necessary, while workers at shelters for domestic abuse victims were not.
Can you give me a source?
That covers about 90% of NJ state workers. I would say that's about 99% of federal workers!
i think the ones who were kept getting paid to argue over their own inept abilties were the non essential ones
I consider most people in Congress to be "non-essential" considering how good they are at their job.
Why on earth do we have non-essentials in our government? Why should my tax dollars be spent on something that is non-essential?
The term is used in the context to describe positions which do not have an impact on life, limb, or eye sight. It also excludes all department chiefs and commanders.
Only in a liberals mind is it unfair to call something what it is. Kind of like when they throw a hissy fit for using the word "illegal" in "illegal immigrant".
It's a definite statement of where cuts should be.
Good lord. Don't tell me people were offended by this completely benign label. Seriously our lives are too easy if this is the stuff that riles people up.
It's as good as any. It does NOT mean "unnecessary", merely that their functions are not absolutely critical every day. The uninformed attitude towards this word in this context reminds me of the uninformed attitude towards the word "entitlement".
Exactly. Just because a job is nonessential for a few weeks does not mean it's nonessential forever. My car can go for longer between oil changes than is strictly called for, but that doesn't mean that it's fiscally responsible to never change it.
"Useful tool" is more accurate. Stalinist tactic to use people as tools.
From what happened when they returned here I would other they stay gone. Mostly the civilians I work with are busy justifying their jobs.
People start being offended by specific terminology when that terminology is identified as being shameful. One can only be insulted by someone if you respect their opinion.
Essential for what exactly?
Non-essential workers, as far as I am concerned, are those that are suppose to represent us in D.C.
And now we have paid them for not working. They will get over the label
If they're non-essential then there's no reason to continue those job.
Which is why its an unfair label. Not saying some of those jobs probably couldn't be cut, but all of them?
That's my point ( with sarcasm ). It is an unfair label.
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I think they're all pretty essential to all the businesses that have relationships with those people who suddenly had no paycheck. Not to say they weren't working. I know people who were still doing their job, just not getting paid.
They'll be paid now for everything they did, but at the time, they had no idea how long it would be before that happened.
Totally unfair, since the general public apparently isn't aware that it refers to matters of national security & protection of property ONLY. (Although, tossing in the congressional gym was beyond stupid.)
This was enough of an issue during the shutdowns in the 90s that I would think they might have used different terms by now. It's really stupid to have to spend any energy & time defending government functions just because of inaccurate terminology.
They actually have another official term, I cannot remember why it is. It's just the media people who keep saying non-essential.
*what not why
Well, they should be slapped silly, and then slapped some more. (And no I don't mean that literally, but really, that's just SO UNHELPFUL to anyone. And yes, I'm still sensitive about my experiences with scientists during the last shutdowns.)
A common term in the military
Yes, that's exactly what they are.
Tell that to the cancer patients unable to take part in treatments and trial programs due to the NIH programs being shutdown. Those in the middle of treatment had to stop altogether. Won't be able to start again until spring. That is, if they are
Non essential: toxic waste clean up, NASA employees, cancer screenings
Essential: gym for members of house, every member of Steve King staff, the Capitol subway system which takes you from house to house, a mechanical bull for recruiting
Aaaarrrrrgggghhhhhh. This topic is mind-blowing. How can they really think this is ok?!
All of Pelosi and Reid's staffs too.
Something else the Liberal media will complain about. We called them non essential. Oh no!!!! Just like we call them illegal immigrants instead of undocumented citizens. F....ing Stupid. Who cares????
The political correctness is getting out of control. No matter what, their will always be someone who gets offended. It doesn't matter what you say.
And I hate how someone saying "I'm offended" is supposed to just shut you up. Umm, no, you are just too sensitive and need to grow some balls.
Some people don't want to be called liberal anymore either. I don't get why a word like that suddenly becomes incorrect.
NASA is non essential but the Congress gym is essential... Okay makes sense! Children cancer screenings are non essential but Steve Kings staff is essential... Okay makes sense!
I know of a bunch of congressmen that I might consider "non essential workers"
Worked for the fed. It is not a term used to describe how essential one is to an agency. In my last duty spot we had priority messages come in everyday. We all took turns being the essential. If the base closed for weather or natural disaster we still had to report.
Pink slips, start at White House Top
It's "politically correct" as to not offend anyone. And it's "Merry Christmas" btw.
People seem to be confused by the term non-essential. The non-essential job is not useless work. Rather it's not absolutely crucial. Of course which jobs are crucial is relative to which party we talk to.
Considering that my life was not affected in any way from the shutdown, I'd say that's about right.
Your right - just because your baby didn't need to be fed and you couldn't get your WIC vouchers - means those workers were not needed
My son does have wic for food. But we were fine without it. Try again please.
That doesn't mean there weren't babies that weren't fine - your attitude is very selfish
You should be thankful that you were fine
I can take care of myself and my family. I only care about myself and my family. Sue me. But in regards to this shutdown? It wasn't going to last more than 3 weeks. If kids went hungry they should have gone to a church to ask for food.
Charity would have stepped in had children actually gone hungry. If Americans hate anything, it's suffering children.
And if charity fails? Then the "selfish" people like me would step up and help them.
If you are doing "fine", Angel, then why don't you rely on the church and stop taking wic altogether since it is unnecessary for you.
I use it because it exists and I qualify for it. Why fault me for using everything I can use to help me? I'm also not religious, perhaps you would like to use that against me as well?
so if angel uses wic and don't depend on its a crime.. but people with no issues collect disability.
some that all they have ever done is be a baby mill collect gov benefit as a career lets get mad about them
Maybe they're not essential for the short period of the shutdown but I'm sure there needed normally.
It meant that we didn't need them for 16 days. We still need them normally.
I can't take political correctness anymore
We can do without them in the short run, but the longer a shutdown like this would continue the more we would all begin to feel its effects. Food inspections, nuclear power inspections, etc. support staff for the military, clerical staff for most
govt offices, etc. Yes, we can get by for awhile but there comes a point where the govt could no longer function. And while it definitely has it's flaws, I favor it over anarchy.
Minarchy is a good place.
During the shutdown, we were spending at 83% of normal. I could run everything we really need in this government indefinitely for that.
It may be accurate, but it all comes down to the definition of "essential". Apparently national park security is ESSENTIAL to Republicans. Personally I would have wanted the FDA to continue testing seafood imports.
Non essential pretty much means that you get to take they day off during a state of emergency. Your job has to be absolutely needed everyday or in that specific situation for you to be an essential worker.
Hey reality. Maybe do a reality check and realize that BOTH parties are equally to blame here for all the absurdity we witnessed these couple of weeks. It's time to abandon the pendulum swing of power and look for REAL solutions.
Sorry rebel. You've mistaken ignorance for objectivity. There aren't always two sides with equal merit to every story.
Yeah, you can't blame democrats for not giving up basically their only achievement of Obama's presidency just because there are some wackos in the other party willing to sabotage the government. Though overall we do need to end the two party system.
@rebelfury what did this question or my answer have to do with blame for the shutdown? Agencies had identified "non-essential" roles long before the 2013 shutdown; this was procedure, not politics.
I believe very government employee is non essential. But the ones that even the government calls non essential should
be dissolved immediately
No more FDA?
Good and drug companies have an incentive to keep people healthy. Never mind that dead customers can't buy more but alive customers won't buy products that make them sick. Let the market work.
*Especially* no FDA!
All the FDA does is jack up the costs for the end user, it's completely unnecessary.
Exactly Fury! I've never I stood the math behind companies wanting to hurt or kill their customers. But oh no, the only reason they don't is because the FDA makes them. Absurd.
That is some of the dumbest stuff I've heard on show of hands.
Got a real retort or just dismissal that I can interpret as lack of intelligent response?
They sell food, so literally every human is a potential customer. That means that the two main things that will increase their profitability is larger profit margins and decreased consumer costs. How many companies do you really think are going to...
Perform safety tests on their own products? If your point about dead people not buying products were relevant, cigarettes wouldn't contain huge varieties of chemicals and carcinogens.
That's why they have warnings printed on the side numb nuts. Yes companies will sell safe products because there's a market incentive to do so.
Even with the FDA their is still a huge number of drugs that are recalled because they find out the have horrible side effects. Now just imagine if we let companies take drugs to market without any regulation.
This is why I'm always dismissive of you. Your an antigovernment ideologue that dismisses any evidence that is contrary to your preconceived ideals.
I'm curious Jon, before the FDA, how was food sold to customers?
I don't know the differences in how food was sold from the 1800s to now, but assuming you mean was there anything like the FDA before the FDA, yes there was. The department of agriculture performed some of what the FDA did when it was created.
And before the Department of Agriculture?
It isn't something that should offend the workers that we really didn't need. What should offend people are the services that were deemed essential and non essential.
During the shutdown, the government refused to pay for planes to send the bodies of our fallen soldiers home, yet somehow the congressional gym was decided to be essential and remained open.
I believe they aren't essential, but they should have been fired, not put on unpaid (now paid) vacation.
Non-essential means no necessary to maintain the state of the country. Sorry but the zoo and national parks arent essential like the military and FBI. Get over it.
Government contractors that maintain the state of our military were considered nonessential. Also we had less protection from cyber attacks during the shutdown.
It was all crap. I was deemed essential but then wasn't allowed to perform 90% of my job. Do you have ANY idea how much backlog I could have cleared up during that time..?
Not essential to what? That's where people might get offended.