Show of HandsShow of Hands

RepMorris October 17th, 2013 11:42pm

Virtual Congress Vote. This bill is introduced by Congressman MrAngerer (L)-Indiana. NASA is hereby dissolved. All NASA property is to be auctioned off to the highest bidder. All functions of NASA are hereby to be privatized. (Revote)

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Doopy Remedial Americanism
10/18/13 5:37 am

We can't sell off the whole thing, NASA still does some classified work.

redsox95 New England
10/17/13 9:28 pm

The government will always need a space agency. Thankfully, we have TWO. We could, potentially, get rid of NASA, although I do like it. The other Space agency is too secret, and it's very existence wasn't known to the public until 10 years ago.

DrReid Ever present.
10/18/13 2:34 pm

It's not classified, just secretive, however they do two different things.

FIAT2LUX On Planet Earth
10/17/13 7:59 pm

I'm allowed to propose a bill in any open poll by SpeakerAFly, am I correct?

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trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
10/17/13 8:17 pm

Yes I will screenshot it but occasionally in bigger polls ot may get passed up

a more effective way would be to send it as a skype message or as an email

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
10/17/13 7:04 pm

Nasa is one of the few programs the government does a great job of running

privatization for the sake of privatization is just dumb

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zdl2442 Right Here
10/17/13 7:07 pm

Well said, my friend.

FIAT2LUX On Planet Earth
10/17/13 7:29 pm

Agreed Mr. President (I think you're male unless I'm mistaken, it'd be good to know now).

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
10/17/13 7:40 pm

Haha yes I am male

RepMorris Pennsylvania
10/17/13 6:57 pm

My fellow Republicans, I'm a little disappointed. Come on guys! Yay!

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skinner Jersey City
10/17/13 7:01 pm

No way, This is what will happen if this bill passes
m.youtube.com/watch?v=OiTiKOy59o4

skinner Jersey City
10/17/13 6:52 pm

This is what will happen if this bill passes
m.youtube.com/watch?v=OiTiKOy59o4

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Liberty 4,032,064
10/17/13 7:00 pm

Warner Brothers already made a crappy, plot-less movie. But hey, if that's what we should be worried about...

zdl2442 Right Here
10/17/13 6:40 pm

I propose legislation called the Protection From Espionage Act. It makes espionage on US citizens prohibited unless with Supreme Court approval.

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zdl2442 Right Here
10/17/13 6:43 pm

It also prohibits cyber-spying unless with Supreme Court approval (ex. Collecting cell phone records).

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
10/17/13 7:24 pm

So police stakeouts would be banned?
and so would undercover operations

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
10/17/13 7:25 pm

And the supreme court would have to approve of collecting cell phone records from every murder victim in the united states

zdl2442 Right Here
10/17/13 7:35 pm

I would like to change my proposal. Now the bill only includes cyber-spying.

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
10/17/13 7:41 pm

I understand where you are coming from and I think the basis is good

how about requiring a warrant for any spyong activities amd get a federal district court involved if it crosses state lines?

zdl2442 Right Here
10/17/13 7:45 pm

Yeah I think that's a good idea.

zdl2442 Right Here
10/17/13 8:08 pm

The new bill shall read 'It is hereby prohibited to spy on a US citizen without a proper warrant.'

FIAT2LUX On Planet Earth
10/17/13 6:34 pm

NASA is not yet ready to be privatized. I vote Nay.

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MisterE Conservistan
10/17/13 6:22 pm

This is not the time to privatize NASA.

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MisterE Conservistan
10/17/13 6:30 pm

And it's too big of a change.

rons WOKE is sick
10/17/13 6:14 pm

does the L means loser!

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rons WOKE is sick
10/17/13 6:13 pm

does the L means loser!

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DrReid Ever present.
10/17/13 5:52 pm

NASA is far too small and does far too much good to warrant any cuts from that program. It's fairly simple minded to try to balance the budget by slashing non-defense discretionary spending. Take care of eliminating waste in defense and entitlements

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DrReid Ever present.
10/17/13 5:54 pm

And raise revenues first before going after the small fry.

TomM
10/17/13 5:42 pm

We generally agree we cannot continue to run a 20% budget deficit. This proposal cut billions and doesn't affect any poor, retiree, children or other vulnerable group. This should be so easy to cut.

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TomM
10/17/13 5:43 pm

Without adjustment like this, the federal government will drown in debt.

skinner Jersey City
10/17/13 5:00 pm

Houston we have a problem

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MJSeals J.D.
10/17/13 5:02 pm

A spending problem

Mattwall1
10/17/13 5:18 pm

Isn't NASA .5% of the budget or something about that much?

Mattwall1
10/17/13 5:21 pm

So somewhat the Amtrak issue, this is basically just privatization for the sake of privatization?

MJSeals J.D.
10/17/13 5:25 pm

That's still over $17billion we can save

MJSeals J.D.
10/17/13 5:26 pm

Amtrak losses almost $854 million dollars a year

Mattwall1
10/17/13 5:26 pm

MJ, it's not like NASA does nothing. There are many experiments you have to do in space to get accurate results, whether for medicine or otherwise. This is just reckless. I move for the power to filibuster!

Mattwall1
10/17/13 5:27 pm

As for Amtrak it's a service, but that already was privatized if I recall. No more. Stop this recklessness. Mr president. Mr speaker. Do I as a congressman have the power to filibuster this?

zman117 Ohio
10/17/13 5:31 pm

No need, Matt. It will fail.
Just relax man!

MJSeals J.D.
10/17/13 5:36 pm

What EXACTLY does NASA do? Any studies in space why not do them one Earth?

zman117 Ohio
10/17/13 5:51 pm

He doesn't like to read, Matt. He wants you to explain it for him

Mattwall1
10/17/13 5:54 pm

We're also learning a large amount about the universe from the Hubble telescope, run by NASA, many experiments are being done on the ISS, including medication testing that can't be done on earth (you'd have to ask an actual scientist for the exact reasons why it isn't accurate in earth, I don't have the knowledge say Susan would here)

DrReid Ever present.
10/17/13 5:58 pm

"What exactly does NASA do?"

Seriously? Do people really take technological and scientific advancement for granted this much? Without NASA most of the electronics you use today would not exist. The technology would not have been developed had it

MJSeals J.D.
10/17/13 5:59 pm

So why can this be funded a private groups?

Mattwall1
10/17/13 5:59 pm

Didn't they also do some stuff with bypass surgery or something similar dr Reid, or am I mistaken?

MJSeals J.D.
10/17/13 6:00 pm

We have the technology. Today what does knowing what Uranus is made of help us?

Mattwall1
10/17/13 6:00 pm

Do you really expect them to do it. There are definitely areas the government shouldn't be involved in. This is one where the free market isn't even close to as efficient as the government

zman117 Ohio
10/17/13 6:01 pm

Lol that is far from what they do

MJSeals J.D.
10/17/13 6:02 pm

All it does is waste money from the federal government.

zman117 Ohio
10/17/13 6:02 pm

"So why can this be funded a private groups?"

And you are acting like it is a fact they can. This is a proposal on a virtual congress. It is far from the truth

DrReid Ever present.
10/17/13 6:02 pm

Had it not been required to perform an experiment, or make an observation not possible before. While the market can figure out how to commercialize this technology eventually, it is inadequate to develop it on its own, as there is no immediate

DrReid Ever present.
10/17/13 6:03 pm

Profit to be made from basic scientific research and discovery.

RepMorris Pennsylvania
10/17/13 6:06 pm

Skinner, show them what would happen if this bill passed. Hahaha

GeneralDevin MN
10/17/13 6:38 pm

By 2030 NASA planned to send men to mars and sample water on the moon. This would have been done by making a moon base. There ships would resupply and go even further into space; back again; and finally home.

GeneralDevin MN
10/17/13 6:40 pm

If NASA is privatized then say goodbye to that expansion. How will the international space station fare? Our progress in space will come to a grinding halt. They discovered hot ice diamond planets rock rain and claim time travel is possible.

GeneralDevin MN
10/17/13 6:42 pm

With so much continued discoveries accomplishments and big plans there is no need to slow all of that down by privatization.

skinner Jersey City
10/17/13 6:52 pm

This is what will happen if this bill passes
m.youtube.com/watch?v=OiTiKOy59o4

skinner Jersey City
10/17/13 5:00 pm

That goes too far. America, and the world, has a vested interest in space. Space holds many resources Americans will need for a strong economy. We need to be active in this frontier or risk becoming a minor power in the coming years.

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Liberty 4,032,064
10/17/13 5:02 pm

There are many resources on Earth as well...mined by private companies.

skinner Jersey City
10/17/13 5:52 pm

True but those resources are finite

Liberty 4,032,064
10/17/13 5:54 pm

...yes. If private companies mine them here, why not there as well?

skinner Jersey City
10/17/13 5:56 pm

Because the expenses are too high. Also we have a political and military interest in space that private companies simply cannot fulfill. There is a role for private enterprise in space but it is in our national interest to keep NASA

Liberty 4,032,064
10/17/13 5:59 pm

Then you have invalidated your own argument regarding the desire for resources.

Liberty 4,032,064
10/17/13 6:06 pm

You made the argument that a government space program is necessary to acquire minerals, then said that it doesn't make sense because it is too expensive.

skinner Jersey City
10/17/13 6:53 pm

No the expenses are to high for corporations to handle by themselves

Liberty 4,032,064
10/17/13 6:58 pm

Then space does not "hold valuable resources important to a strong economy" if they cannot be mined for a profit.

skinner Jersey City
10/17/13 7:01 pm

Oh but they can. Corporations simply need NASA to help them get miners or miner robots into whatever asteroids, moons, or planets they feel harbor beneficial resources.

Liberty 4,032,064
10/17/13 7:12 pm

That makes no sense whatsoever. If a company can only make money because the government is paying and doing half the work for them, then it still isn't profitable, and doesn't benefit the economy.

skinner Jersey City
10/18/13 3:15 am

I don't understand your rationale. If we ship them back and forth that eliminates most of the cost and makes the venture profitable.

Liberty 4,032,064
10/18/13 3:41 am

Hahaha, that doesn't make it profitable. You're just putting most of the cost on taxpayers so someone else can *appear* to be making a profit at our expense.

Liberty 4,032,064
10/18/13 3:42 am

That's like saying the Chevy Volt is profitable when $12,500 of each sell comes from taxpayers.

MJSeals J.D.
10/17/13 4:55 pm

What exactly does NASA do now a days?

TomM
10/17/13 4:58 pm

Well they pay SpaceX $1.6 billion just to transport supplies out in space. The price is outrageous and much higher than the previous contract.

MJSeals J.D.
10/17/13 5:01 pm

Zman. Welcome to citing your source. Unless you give me the info I will no look at you stupid link

MJSeals J.D.
10/17/13 5:02 pm

If you support this issue so much you shouldn't need to google it, you should know why you support it.

zman117 Ohio
10/17/13 5:02 pm

Um, that's what the bar at the top of your screen is. It's called a web address

MJSeals J.D.
10/17/13 5:03 pm

Um, I'm on an app. Now if you can't tell me why what NASMA does and why you support it. I won't support it

zman117 Ohio
10/17/13 5:03 pm

I was googling it for you, since you are the one that needed help.

MJSeals J.D.
10/17/13 5:04 pm

I want to see what YOUR argue net are. If you support it why? Clearly you don't know why

zman117 Ohio
10/17/13 5:04 pm

I don't need your vote, nor am I going to give the time

cheeseontop FactsOverFeelings
10/17/13 5:10 pm

hehe classic political divide.

Liberty 4,032,064
10/17/13 4:55 pm

For my own benefit, does our Show of Hands government have a budget?

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TomM
10/17/13 4:56 pm

Ha, funny you ask. They have been trying to negotiate one for weeks.

TomM
10/17/13 5:00 pm

There have been proposals from both sides of the political spectrum, there has also been attempts to form a bi-partisan compromise. All failed so far.

spicysteve M14D SBS
10/17/13 5:05 pm

There will be a skype budget convention on Sunday. All are welcome.

RepMorris Pennsylvania
10/17/13 5:59 pm

What Steve said

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
10/17/13 4:52 pm

Point of order: choices should "Yea" & "Nay." :-)

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curly
10/17/13 4:51 pm

I vote nay. I private space industry is in it's fledgling stage right now, I don't think it's capable of handling NASA's functions right now. Maybe in a decade or two, but not now.

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cheeseontop FactsOverFeelings
10/17/13 4:48 pm

I wouldn't think it would be wise to give such technology to someone we do not know the intentions

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zman117 Ohio
10/17/13 4:49 pm

Atleast someone thought of this ⬆️⬆️⬆️

cheeseontop FactsOverFeelings
10/17/13 4:50 pm

Haha seems pretty difficult not to think of that.

MJSeals J.D.
10/17/13 4:51 pm

What are the intentions?

cheeseontop FactsOverFeelings
10/17/13 4:53 pm

You tell me. Letting some random guy have access to that is irresponsible and reckless.

Liberty 4,032,064
10/17/13 4:54 pm

The government could do all the background checks and investigation it wants, since it is the one selling the property.

cheeseontop FactsOverFeelings
10/17/13 4:56 pm

I don't think that would matter. When China comes knocking, the guy will give in.

zman117 Ohio
10/17/13 4:48 pm

Are we going to privatize the military too?

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Mattwall1
10/17/13 4:50 pm

What's next, the TVA? Stop this NOW

TomM
10/17/13 4:56 pm

The military is already partly private, there are thousands of private contractors.

Mattwall1
10/17/13 4:57 pm

That's true, and that shouldn't be.

Liberty 4,032,064
10/17/13 4:48 pm

Sounds good. Liberty Corp. could use the surplus equipment in our lithium mining and nuclear waste disposal ventures.

MrAngerer
10/17/13 4:47 pm

Suggested amendments are welcomed. :)

TomM
10/17/13 4:44 pm

Yes absolutely. We spend billions on funding these geeks expensive toys. It is an outrageous waste of money. We could get so much for that.

zman117 Ohio
10/17/13 4:44 pm

I would hardly call it a waste

MJSeals J.D.
10/17/13 4:48 pm

When we cannot handle our own planet how can we take on another?

TomM
10/17/13 4:49 pm

There is absolutely no need for this when the government is running a deficit of 20%. This could be a good first step towards fiscal responsibility.

smacc DunningKruger
10/17/13 4:51 pm

If we trash this one we will need another .