Should free healthcare be a right?
Nothing is "free" ....to bad the people that think its free dont understand they are paying with indebted freedom :/
This conversation makes me sick to my stomach. Just Jack the taxes up and up and up and up until this is a socialist nightmare. You Marxist pricks will never learn.
No one said to jack up taxes and I am certainly not a marxist
by making assumptions and generalizations you really hurt your chances of anyone siding with you
How can you have a right to something that can only be provided by others? And those others must devote some serious effort to attain the knowledge and skill required and purchase very expensive machines to use. No such thing as a free lunch.
1. It's NEVER free, SOMEONE pays for it
2. It's NOT NOT NOT a "right".
Affordable healthcare should be, though. Accessible to all.
No. You can't assume as a right that which someone else must provide. To do so is, in effect, to require someone else to give you their hard work and experience for free.
Doctors and healthcare workers are not your slaves.
I can't say food is a natural right if someone has to grow or harvest food for me.
I can't say a home is a natural right because someone has to build a home and someone has to produce the materials.
Education isn't a natural right....
...because someone has to teach me and provide the learning materials.
Rights are only those things which exist naturally, in your natural state.
Its not like the doctors aren't getting paid, just like with education the teachers still get paid
But trepid are they paid FAIRLY. That's the point.
Eminent domain is theft, even though you "get paid." You can't throw money at someone and tell them "see? Get over it."
It doesn't matter if they're paid or not. Even slaves get food and shelter.
What do you do for a living, trepid?
You can't consign someone to work for you, or take over their business and set their policies and prices without their consent, and still call them a free person.
Right now I work in data analysis at a company that is a government contracter but I don't see what that has to do with anything Milkdud
and I never said government should take over a business I think that the government should provide free OPTIONAL health insurance that covers basic needs
No. Your question was whether healthcare should be a "right." Don't change your premise in midstream.
If the government decided that the service your company provides is a "right" for all Americans, and as such they fixed your prices and told you it was illegal to turn away customers due to inability to pay, how fast would you go out of business?
And I think it is a right, and people can deny to have that right but it should be available
a free basic optional insurance plan fulfills that right, whether people want it is up to them
they do the same thing with schools but private schools are doing just fine
Right. But public schools aren't doing just fine. They cost 10x's as much money per student as private schools, and their results are shameful.
We have the best healthcare system in the world. Why would you do to it what govt did to education?
Best healthcare system?
And all of that is beside the point of your question. You don't have a right to something someone else must provide to you- school, medicine, food- it doesn't matter. If it isn't naturally yours, you don't have a right to take it from someone else.
the WHO had us ranked 38th
Just because you want something doesn't give you a right to take it.
You WANT free healthcare, but you don't have a RIGHT to force a doctor to take care of you.
You're avoiding the primary issue.
And I don't care what the world health organization says. They're a political schill for the UN.
We have a right to live and part of living is having basic healthcare in my opinion, you feel differently and I respect that my views arent accelted by everyone I know that
one thing I don't respect is denying evidence from a trustworthy source
You've avoided everything else I've said and latched onto one thing.
Answer my question about your company.
Does everyone have a right to what your company produces?
You have a right to live.
And a responsibility to take care of your life and preserve it.
You don't have a right to force someone else to protect you or provide that which is necessary for you to live.
You can grow your own food. You can make your own weapons for defense. You can build your own home. To a small extent you can mind your own health. But if you want better than what you are capable of doing yourself, you have to pay another to do it.
No one has a right to force someone to provide a product
look I already admitted our views differ and I respect your opinion
I told you how I think free healthcare can be available without forcing people to do anything and you disregarded it as off topic
I'm not saying provide all healthcare as a ftee service
I think that there should be an option to have free BASIC health insurance....as in doctors still get paid what they usually charge but the poor can actually receive that care
Because it isn't free. There is no such thing as free. Someone has to pay the healthcare workers. Someone has to provide the medical equipment, facilities, and other sundries.
It isn't free.
WHO PAYS THE BILL TREPID?
I do rebel and everyone else that pays taxes
Affordable healthcare should be a right!
Even in a single payer system it isn't free. It's "free* at the point of use".
*Some co-pays and restrictions may apply.
How would you know?
I absolutely believe its a basic human right.
So you believe doctors and healthcare workers are your slaves?
So you believe it's ok to make asinine assumptions from one statement?
Ak you still have not cited why it is a human RIGHT
I made a logical deduction.
If the govt says you have a right to a product or service, then someone has to provide that service to you.
If no one wants to provide you that service, the government has to make someone do it against their will.
You cannot claim as a right that which someone else must provide to you. Goods and services cannot, by definition, be "rights."
Healthcare is a service, provided by the labor and experience of professionals.
Therefore it cannot be a right.
What do you do for a living, akgoat?
Is WIC a "living"?
No one is turned away from hospitals, but if they don't have healthcare they do have a hefty bill to foot.
Lesson is, hospitals and the like are businesses you get services from, and you have to pay either way. So invest in decent healthcare.
Actually some are exempted from that requirement. Shriner hospitals for example can legally turn you away if you aren't insured. Good luck at boot camp and anchors aweigh my friend!
I know that sucks when someone gets a illness that pretty much requires medical attention, but it is what is.
They provide a service. Just like how food is necessary, we do have to pay farmers, and the better businesses make more.
People can and are turned away from hospitals.
Isn't there always a hospital they can go to though, it's not every hospital.
And a emergency responder wouldn't bring someone who requires immediate life saving medical attention to one that can turn away.
In theory there may be another hospital. In practice going to another hospital can cause more problems from a health point of view
Sometimes it might be the only hospital in the area with certain equipment needed so they might have to bring them to a certain hospital even if it's one they can be denied at. If I recall Indian tribe hospitals can also legally reject you
There is a reason we don't have a right to property, it is a privilege
Our founding fathers believed we had the right to LIFE, liberty, and thr pursuit of happiness
Healthcare is a necessity not a privilege
Life is different then healthcare. No one will be turned away from a hospital
Actually that's not entirely accurate. Some hospitals are exempted from that requirement such as Shriner hospitals. They don't have to let you into the er
Yes people can and are turned away from hospitals.