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Matt1981 October 17th, 2013 3:20pm

The president claims that the government shutdown has done massive damage to our economy. What do you think would have a larger negative impact on our economy, the shutdown or Obamacare?

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Ernest Make it so
10/17/13 3:48 pm

The ACA by FAR will do untold damages. The shutdown wha...?

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elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
10/17/13 1:11 pm

The devastation on our national economy & personal finances by PP&ACA has yet to be calculated. Over its lifetime, if permitted to proceed unfettered, far beyond immediate cost by this shut down. Not that it matters. Rational not part of debate.

duey in a fools paradise
10/17/13 11:14 am

I'd like to know how it was calculated. I bet lost wages for federal workers was a big part of that and those folks will get their backpay. Wait until people see what their new deductibles will be. There is no way the poor will be able to cover.

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kscott516 EB rules
10/17/13 12:16 pm

The pay to federal workers was the bulk of it

BCKR Onward and upward
10/17/13 12:55 pm

Curious about that: yes, they're getting paid, but what about the lost productivity? No services provided, no productivity, no ancillary incon

BCKR Onward and upward
10/17/13 12:56 pm

(Oops) ...income from, e.g., museum gift shops, and still all the money paid to the workers. Sounds like a lot of lost money.

duey in a fools paradise
10/17/13 2:33 pm

Oh sure I agree there were costs but all in all I can't believe its anywhere near what the President has said, or McCain.

BCKR Onward and upward
10/17/13 2:40 pm

I haven't heard what they have to say yet. I've looked at other sources. This article cites Standard & Poor's, IHS, the US Travel Assn, and Natl Park Service: swampland.time.com/2013/10/17/heres-what-the-government-shutdown-cost-the-economy/

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/17/13 10:55 am

That's odd, my life hasn't been impacted one bit

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MadCow True GOP
10/17/13 10:41 am

The shutdown cost $28 billion and counting.

Matt1981 The Who Dat Nation
10/17/13 10:46 am

The federal government average spending is 10 Billion dollars a day. If we have spent 25 Billion dollars since government shutdown then guess what? We saved a shit ton of money from the shutdown.

MadCow True GOP
10/17/13 10:50 am

^ two-dimensional thinking. Direct Costs are never the big problem.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/17/13 10:55 am

Matt's exactly right.

MadCow True GOP
10/17/13 10:58 am

...of *course* he is... :-/

kscott516 EB rules
10/17/13 12:18 pm

What's sad is the federal workers will still get paid for their extended vacation

MadCow True GOP
10/17/13 12:24 pm

Yes how sad that they get to feed their families and pay their mortgages. Those people to do anything, it's the decision-makers, and you penalizing them is heartless.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
10/17/13 12:32 pm

Until they get real jobs where their paychecks aren't simply the stolen productivity of contributing members of society I have no sympathy.

kscott516 EB rules
10/17/13 12:34 pm

I'm not penalizing them. I don't get to make that decision. However millions more in the private sector have lost their jobs and don't get the same "back pay". Somehow the federal workers are the sacred cow. Did you know Toyota suspended their car

kscott516 EB rules
10/17/13 12:34 pm

payments during the shutdown? That's nice of them but they didn't do that for those that had their hours cut or lost their jobs in the private sector.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
10/17/13 1:15 pm

Careful Matt, logic & common sense are toxic in this "debate." (Debate in quotes because only 1 viewpoint permitted.)

MadCow True GOP
10/17/13 2:03 pm

Yes clearly I am squelching other opinions. :–/

Arkansas123 Neoconservative
10/17/13 10:26 am

Obamacare is going to turn Americans into part-time workers. No longer will you have one full-time career but rather two or three part-time jobs here and there.

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EarlyBird Portland
10/17/13 10:19 am

We'll recover from the shutdown. Can't say the same about obamacare.

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chickencookie It really is
10/17/13 10:03 am

President Obama: "You don’t like a particular policy, or a particular President, then argue for your position and win an election."
Smugness returned. Spike the ball.

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elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
10/17/13 1:17 pm

And media will ignore &/or twist your words/intent into something you never said, all the while screaming "party of no" no matter how much you ACTUALLY do/say.

duey in a fools paradise
10/17/13 2:35 pm

That only counts for the president not the recently ELECTED Tea Party folks.

AngryAngel Oswego, IL
10/17/13 9:50 am

In the week or so of shutdown time, the country spent 23 billion. But without the shutdown, we spend 10 billion a day. So in tired of people complaining about the cost of the shutdown.

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kscott516 EB rules
10/17/13 12:20 pm

It was a blessing.

nightcrow44 the dark side
10/17/13 9:42 am

Oh just wait for Obamacare we haven't seen the beginning of the harm to our economy yet

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pisomojado
10/17/13 9:27 am

It seems much of the damage has been what the tea party and it's lapdog,the Republican Party, have done to themselves

jvc1133 61535
10/17/13 8:34 am

If Obamacare can ever get going it is a pending disaster

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SugarShaq
10/17/13 8:32 am

Does this mean the Obama government will now release real economic data and try to blame republicans, instead of the fake data they have been releasing?

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MJSeals J.D.
10/17/13 8:24 am

Has it had an impact at all?

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Matt1981 The Who Dat Nation
10/17/13 10:08 am

I don't think so. Honestly over a period of time I'm pretty sure no federal government would boost the economy.