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RepMorris October 14th, 2013 11:56pm

Virtual Congress Vote. A proposal is brought to the floor by President Trepidhickory establishing an Associate Justice position to the Supreme Court, A Justice who votes in the case of a Justice being recused. We will now vote on adding this position

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RepMorris Pennsylvania
10/16/13 4:09 am

THE BILL IS NOT PASSED.

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RepMorris Pennsylvania
10/14/13 6:56 pm

As Speaker, I gladly support this bill. I emphasize that the Associate Justice would only be used if a regular Justice is recused. Also, the Associate Justice will require Congressional approval. I urge my colleagues on both sides to pass this bill.

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commonman1 Peace
10/14/13 6:37 pm

Pretty interesting little conversation. You would hope to avoid partisan decision by the court because of political motivated position of a VP.

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RepMorris Pennsylvania
10/14/13 5:34 pm

A MOTION HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO THE FLOOR BY CONGRESSMAN SKINNER (R) OF MASSACHUSETTS TO MAKE THIS BILL A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT. THAT VOTE WILL NOW BE BROUGHT TO THE FLOOR.

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spicysteve M14D SBS
10/14/13 5:34 pm

The Vice President should not have the power to break the tie. I view this as an infringement upon the Separate Powers Compromise.

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zman117 Ohio
10/14/13 5:36 pm

I don't think this new position has the authority either.

I say let the justices do their job

zman117 Ohio
10/14/13 5:33 pm

Let the justices do their job.

Voting for this does three things.
1. Unnecessarily adds another government position.
2. Takes power away from VP
3. Takes power away from the justices by having a new position with as much say as them.
VOTE NO

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trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
10/14/13 5:38 pm

here is my response
1. I feel this is a needed position it allows the court to undergo its normal operarions should a judge recuse themselves
2. The VPs power is to vote in the case of a tie and they still have that power

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
10/14/13 5:39 pm

3. the justices have just as much power as before they just have another justice step in when one recuses themselves

MJSeals Esq.
10/14/13 5:40 pm

More conservative everyday!

political Georgia
10/14/13 5:48 pm

"2. The VPs power is to vote in the case of a tie and they still have that power"
With all due respect mr. President, I am even more confused. Will the substitute justice and VP vote in the case of a tie. Lol

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
10/14/13 5:51 pm

The associate justice will only vote if a Justice has to be recused

zman117 Ohio
10/14/13 5:29 pm

I do not like this. We already have five justices, there can't be a tie. In the rare event there is we have the VP with the power to break a tie.

We do not need another position like this, efficient government can be accomplished already.

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political Georgia
10/14/13 5:32 pm

I agree. There is bi-partisan consent to disapprove this bill. Lol

spicysteve M14D SBS
10/14/13 5:35 pm

I view letting the VP break the tie an an infringement upon the Separate Powers Compromise.

zman117 Ohio
10/14/13 5:36 pm

So is this new position. Let the justices do their job!

spicysteve M14D SBS
10/14/13 5:37 pm

How is the new position a violation of the Separate Powers Compromise? The new position would be in the SCOSOH Committee and only in the SCOSOH Committee.

zman117 Ohio
10/14/13 5:42 pm

I don't know, I DONT LIKE IT! Lol

political Georgia
10/14/13 5:46 pm

Steve, I wanted to make sure I understand your opinion. Please see the constitutional forum...

MJSeals Esq.
10/14/13 5:21 pm

I am changing my vote to yes. This will prevent a dead locked SC

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zman117 Ohio
10/14/13 5:24 pm

We have five justices. Kinda hard for a tie

Mattwall1
10/14/13 5:25 pm

When one recuses them self and we have 4?

zman117 Ohio
10/14/13 5:25 pm

I would like to think the other 4 should be able to reach an agreement

political Georgia
10/14/13 5:26 pm

Yet again tonight Zmann has an excellent point. You were right the first time MJ. Lol Change it back!

political Georgia
10/14/13 5:26 pm

Plus, the VP's vote breaks up the tie. The VP is a wasteful job without that role.

zman117 Ohio
10/14/13 5:27 pm

If it is in fact a tie or the Supreme Court ever does not reach a verdict, I think it should be exactly like in real life. It simply goes back down. Which in this case means that if it is a bill then whatever congress has decided.

MJSeals Esq.
10/14/13 5:28 pm

Zman is becoming conservative, and also what if they don't come to a decision? Who are the justices (Zman, Political, AFlay...

MJSeals Esq.
10/14/13 5:29 pm

Sorry not AFLY and VP has announced he may not be able to perform his duties fully

zman117 Ohio
10/14/13 5:30 pm

I saw him say he can, he just is not running for a second term.

Like I said, we rarely have the chance for a tie. If this happens then the justices need to put on their grown up pants and figure it out. JUST LIKE IN REAL LIFE

political Georgia
10/14/13 5:31 pm

Well, we have 5 reliable justices. If we have an incompetent VP, there are other ways around having an efficient government besides changing the law to avoid this unfortunate scenario.

zman117 Ohio
10/14/13 5:31 pm

If they cannot, then maybe we have a larger problem on our hands?

Not to mention, worse case scenario is that the court cannot reach a decision. It isn't the end of the world.

MJSeals Esq.
10/14/13 5:07 pm

Can I ask current SC justices opinions?

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political Georgia
10/14/13 5:14 pm

As a congressman I opposed this legislation. From a Constitutional standpoint, it is hard to prove this bill unconstitutional as I currently see it because the Constitution briefly mentions a Supreme Court of the land. I am interested to see what

political Georgia
10/14/13 5:15 pm

Skinner has up his sleeve.

skinner Jersey City
10/14/13 5:04 pm

I would like to sue over this bill if it passes. I believe it is unconstitutional.

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trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
10/14/13 5:05 pm

we can bring the case to court before the bill is declared passed or not

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
10/14/13 5:05 pm

*you can

I of course want the bill to pass

spicysteve M14D SBS
10/14/13 5:05 pm

I think that this would be a Constitutional Amendment, meaning that it doesn't matter if it is constitutional.

skinner Jersey City
10/14/13 5:07 pm

It is currently not a constitutional amendment

RepMorris Pennsylvania
10/14/13 5:19 pm

Skinner, would you like to propose making this a Constitutional Amendment?

skinner Jersey City
10/14/13 5:23 pm

Yes

RepMorris Pennsylvania
10/14/13 5:26 pm

Mr. President, do you have any objection to Skinner's motion to make this bill a Constitutional Amendment?

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
10/14/13 5:28 pm

No objection at all

political Georgia
10/14/13 5:29 pm

That requires a 2/3 majority vote right?

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
10/14/13 5:30 pm

Yes

RepMorris Pennsylvania
10/14/13 5:32 pm

Constitutional Amendments require a 3/4 majority.

SugarShaq
10/14/13 5:01 pm

Who decides who the Justice will be?

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spicysteve M14D SBS
10/14/13 5:03 pm

I assume the President would nominate someone and they would then have to be approved by the VC.

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
10/14/13 5:04 pm

Same way you got the position of justice I will nominate a someone i think is fit for the job and they will be confirmed by congress

SugarShaq
10/14/13 5:33 pm

And the alternate is a permanent one, ie not changing with each recused case?

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
10/14/13 5:36 pm

Yes they would be permanent also

spicysteve M14D SBS
10/14/13 5:00 pm

I think this is a good idea.

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political Georgia
10/14/13 4:59 pm

Personally, I think we have enough governmental positions. If we keep adding positions, it takes away the prestige of a position which would lead to less activity.

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MJSeals Esq.
10/14/13 4:57 pm

We don't need a bigger government

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trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
10/14/13 4:59 pm

we need a more efficient government

Currently we are relying on a constant presence by the VP to settle ties in Supreme Court votes

our justices are active congressmen amd propose a lot of legislation we need a way to let the court do its job effectively

political Georgia
10/14/13 5:12 pm

Which Supreme Court was a tie? I thought everything was running pretty smoothly. For the most part justices have been very active.

political Georgia
10/14/13 5:16 pm

Don't we have 5 Supreme Court justices?

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
10/14/13 5:18 pm

this is for when justices recuse themselves as in when we only have 4

the VP casts a vote if it is a tie when the court case expires

political Georgia
10/14/13 5:25 pm

That is what I thought. Is there a problem with that procedure? The VP does not have much of a role anyway. It would seem the VP is already the rescue judge as the current system is.