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The veterans issued a statement condemning the tea party and their politicians hijacking their event. Read below

Agreed. He was a speaker at the rally, and he doesn't control what others say or do.

You both have your party bias.

Don't justify bitch Cruz's actions because you like him.

As a speaker, he could've stopped it from happening! But it got him more fired up.

I have been trying to find a photo showing the person with the flag. I can not find one. I bet a good photo spread in social media would identify the person. 50/50 chance that person is NOT politically conservative nor a Cruz supporter.

And it WAS a HATE filled "rally"
Was it okay to be a speaker? Yeah.
Did he get out of control in his speech? Yes. Could he calm down the rally members? Yes.

Evo.. You're probably right. But still... It's not right

Evseng2; I can see your point about a speaker controlling themselves and work to control the crowd. The only video I have seen involves a fairly mild removal of the barricades. I have spoken at an event with caustic speakers. I denounced their words

5 million more We-the people voted for the Kenya Muslim though so what's that say about the tea party?

Honestly, Ted Cruz smears his name enough on his own. This discussion is about whether or not he supports the people that voted for him; the tea party.

He may be a grown man in age, but that's it

No kidding, how unbelievable

Wtf? Who's denying that?

No one is but the question seems to ask of it is right or wrong. The real answer is right.

In your opinion, in my opinion flying a confederate flag calling the president an anti-American Muslim isn't only wrong, it's fucking ignorant. But if this is a question about their right then yeah, they do have a right to be loons.

Google the confederate flag and read about its origins and what it stood for. Do not accept other people's ideas or hear say. Education is the answer to racism. We no doubt need education reform.

I'm in Kentucky, I don't need google to tell me when my ancestors flag means. I live in the south so know what it is and what's its used for down here. The American flag represents MY country, not a loser battle flag.

Ugh, me too. Man I wish he was from another state!

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/13/at-tea-party-like-rally-obama-told-to-put-the-quran-down/?hpt=hp_t2

Very witty.

State's rights?

Cowboy- states rights?

Yes, States rights. The reason the Civil War was fought.

But what does that have to do with Cruz and his speech?

The Confederate flag represents several state's rights, among them the right to consider it fine and legal to own another human being. I'm not okay with that.

Nothing EarlyBird.

@Scarface Despite what your Government re-education center told you, slavery was not the biggest issue. It was world trade then, like it, or not. Africans sold their own people to the world. That's the ugly truth.

I do agree with cowboy on that.

That's why it seems funny to me when blacks refer to themselves as "African-Americans". The white man might of brought them here as slaves, but it was their own who hunted them.

Huh?

Read the news and investigate the sources for yourself.

@Duey, and don't forget that we're (apparently) holding a gun to their head, as well as being arsonists, anarchists, and terrorists.
Seems like the left has completely ignored their own calls for 'toning down the rhetoric.'

There was no 'hate speech.' The question offers a false narrative of the events described.

If by special, you mean awesome, you're right!

Zod, is the shutdown directly affecting you? I'm not baiting or trying to snipe- I'm asking honestly because you seem unusually irritated by it.

I'm probably more irritated than most because I went through the earlier long one, and I know what my friends who are still working are facing. Me directly? Yes. It may seem minor, but the park I typically visit at least one a week is closed.

I didn't like having to work without being paid last time, and I don't like that the park I pre-paid to visit is closed now. It has directly affected a lot of people I know, and has indirectly affected many more. And for what? Nothing.

Ok, I was just wondering. It's unusual for you to make some of the kinds of comments you've been making lately so I figured I'd ask.
It's kind of ridiculous that they closed the park near you- I doubt it cost much, if anything, to leave the gate open

*i doubt it _would_

IOS7 autocorrect is unreasonably aggressive

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks the autocorrect in iOS7 fights back harder than it did in iOS6.

And people think this guy could run for president lol

Which faction?

I can't tell. They look the same.

Lmao! Damn! Still no clarification.

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/13/at-tea-party-like-rally-obama-told-to-put-the-quran-down/?hpt=hp_t2

Is he affiliated with Achmed the terrorist?


youtu.be/YOXCAKL9ESc

I saw that crap. These people need a life.

Oh suppressed, now THAT just made me laugh out loud! Too funny! Thank you!!

A Canadian?

Damn Canadians. All they're good for is pizza toppings.

Quit, I can't take anymore!!! I'm still laughing at RJ's "They all look the same" comment, only to see yours! This is the best impromptu comedy ever! :D

*yours = pizza toppings!...

Oh no, they have good beer and hockey and, and, and...........snow, yeah snow.

Ted Cruz was born in Canada. He's ineligible for the Presidency....even before he started hanging out with secessionists.

Easy now, my ancestors fought for them damn Rebs. I'll put tar in yer eyes and make you listen to Dixie for hours on end while I dance around you in feathers. :)

Yeah because every president before Obama has been accused of being from Africa

It speaks mightily into Ted Cruz' character

So the president choosing to close the veterans monuments wasn't political? Thats the reason they came to town. Those 3 people you mentioned count those vets as part of their base. Notice they applauded and never left or protested the speakers?

Duey, the vets were unhappy with the tea party hijacking their event no matter how you try to spin it

We feel disheartened that some would seek to hijack the narrative for political gain," the group wrote on its Facebook page Monday morning. "The core principle was and remains about all Americans honoring Veterans in a peaceful and apolitical manner.

Our love for and our dedication to remains with Veterans, regardless of party affiliation or political leanings."

I never said that he didn't have the right to, I just want to know what he was thinking.

He's a politician, Skar. He found a platform, supporters, and seized an opportunity. I'm sure he said exactly what he was thinking, to the delight of many, and to the consternation of others. No one thinks he supports Obamas policies.

....story.

You never been to a tea party rally have you?

What's your point?

Because if you have, you would know confederate flags are a common theme so noone had to plant a confederate flag to make them look bad; that's who they are.

I don't know, the liberals have been caught doing just that. I put all these fringe groups in the same class. You never know who is going to the next stupid thing.

The big point I am trying to make is that Ted Cruz did not have anything to do with the confederate flags, as conceded below.

What am I saying is, if Cruz wants to run as a tea party candidate then he's but going to be able to distance himself from the stars and bars. The veterans were pissed him, Palin, etc hijacked their event which was disrespectful

I thought the veterans enjoyed their speeches....

Read their statement I posted above.

They were not happy at all. It's sad to use the greatest generation for this bullstein.

How is this poll inflammatory? Ted Cruz was at a rally, and at that rally there were Confederate flags and hate speech.

I think she has you on ignore skar.

So? Ever seen a liberal rally? Far nastier, besides its free speech.

What is nastier than insulting a sitting commander in chief, insulting an entire religion, and brandishing Confederate flags?

Oh, I don't know? Pissing in the streets, sex in a open park? Calling all republicans granny killers? Etc. it's a damn game. A media bias, big corporation game.

You know this country is in trouble when people calling for fiscal responsibility are vilified and called terrorists.

At least we clean up our mess. Not like the OWS.

EB, thanks at least for reminding me why I keep some on ignore. ;)

Jimi, I have never heard of an organized rally having people do those things. Talk about media bias. That is purely where you get that from.

Now while saying that, I agree with your statement about a game. I don't know if I agree with what you think is a game though. If you really think there is a bias favoring the left that is simply not true. Occupy was vilified. You know why?

LateGreatUSA, this is probably futile because you have me on ignore, but how did EarlyBird remind you of why you have me on ignore? I'm confused.

Because the media and corporations don't care about party. They have one agenda - money. Occupy went against that.

But back to my original point. Politics is a game. I have been to and seen liberal rally's that of course have hateful things

Said about the other party.
But not the things you mentioned. That's simply not true.

But you know a HUGE difference between the two? I have never seen or heard of a liberal rally that is endorsed and hijacked by politicians, including a

If you think for one second that the media doesn't favor left leaning rallies you are wrong. I don't care what any of them do but, the media has trashed the tea party far worse than the Wall Street crazies.

Prominent sitting US senator and it still have beyond hateful things. Speakers, signs, message, flag on stage. Those all were beyond too far in this case and it was endorsed by several politicians, including Cruz.
Ok, I'm done.

Skar- I'm the one who forwarded your poll to my followers. I hope you don't mind.

"Senator Barack Obama (D-Illinois) greets the crowd after speaking at a rally at George Mason University in Fairfax."

If the video footage of these idiots in Central Park is rigged then I'm sorry. Each side plays the game so that you and I can busy each others chops over it.

Well it depends on the rally Jimi. If you think that the media would favor a rally going against everything that the corporations stand for then you are the one who is wrong.
Occupy was laughed at by the media, including CNN

There are several cases where the liberals have done this. It's not a new thing, disgusting but not new.

youtu.be/--pvo3yV8Y8

Good. Then we agree that when you come down for survival that I get to pop your chops? Lol! Just kidding dude. I think it's all stupid. If they could use their dead parents corpse for gain they would.

Unless at least 2 people got raped then it doesn't even begin to compare to the occupy scum.

"Senator Boxer Speaks to a Pro-Choice Rally on Capitol Hill"

Here is the simple thing that for some reason people like Okie will never understand.

Occupy is not a platform, occupy is not a party. The people that raped others have absolutely no connection to anybody else there other than being at the same

Lategreat - i continue to be a little bit in love with you.

Place.

It was a rally. Where there are people, there will be bad things.

The people that organize the rally for Occupy do not endorse that behavior. Two vile and inhumane, horrible people did that. Plain and simple.

Sound familiar?

Jimi, if you look at Abolitionists post above, you will see there is a clear difference. The veterans did not endorse this behavior. Somebody else on the other hand...

Yeah, the administration gave occupy a free pass as they condemned the tea people. But it's just politics, nothing unusual here. I think it's a shame that Cruzeiro did what he did.

Cruz. Damn fingers.

What does "a free pass" mean? Occupy does not even support the president. Most people there do not. They were struggling under Obama. Most of the prominent figures they had at any Occupy rally were in no way pro Obama or even democrat for that matter

Occupy advocated for things far too left for democrat politicians.
Not to mention Obama merely said something along the lines of, "they have the right to be upset. The economy is not yet where we would like it to be".

Maybe, but the administration seemed to love it.

So like I said before, I don't see how there is not a clear distinction. Occupy was in no way shape or form for the democrats. No politicians are of the "Occupy party"

Whereas rally's like this one being done by Cruz. Not to mention there actually

Is many tea partiers in our government now.


They are literally two different things

I would honestly like to know how the administration "seemed to love it." Because the comment I referenced by Obama is one of the very few times I ever heard him talk about them. And that is far from an endorsement, let alone "love them".

I never said they were. I was comparing the rallies. I can do that, I'm special. Not short bus special like Scottydontknow either.

LOL

Hell, I got a confederate flag t- shirt with a skull on it.

why is Cruz afraid to admit he don't care it was there?

I don't know, media scrutiny?

Have you seen footage? There's a lot more than one tiny flag. Also, one of the speakers told Obama to "put the Quran down," and there were all sorts of other typical anti-Obama statements.

I'm not going to defend them because I wasn't there and I don't have all the facts. At the same time I don't equate anti-Obama statements with hate speech.

They called him a Kenyan-born Muslim, and an entire slew of other things that aren't at all true.

Please provide evidence that Ted Cruz was speaking in front of a confederate flag.

I never said that he was speaking in front of a Confederate flag. I said that the rally had Confederate flags at it. I'm sure that if you dug a little you could find a picture of Cruz and a Confederate flag, but I'm not going to look for you.

Reread you question. It says that Cruz spoke with confederate flags in the background. I get what you're trying to say but you could have wrote the question more accurately and definitely with less bias...

Okie pointed out why I asked this question.

Here's a photo of him speaking behind a Confederate flag:www.sodahead.com/united-states/sen-ted-cruz-vows-not-to-raise-nations-debt-ceiling-until-union-admits-to-losing-civil-war/question-3980635/

It's funny that picture was taken 10/8/13 prior to the controversy.

I'd like to see a second photo showing flags behind him. Those flags look so photoshopped that it almost looks like a cartoon...

Why is Cruz scared of this publicity? If he a fearless leader and he embraces a party that does fly the confederate flag, why is too pussy to admit it?

There are nut-heads in both parties. Think about the wall street protesters. The Republican Party much rather have the American flag at rallies.

While I don't deny democrats have loons I will say the Democrats flushed occupy Wall Street down the toilet quick while the GOP gave tea party the keys to the car.

That is because in 2010 it was well-organized and the Republicans picked up some senate seats.

Hey now! We're not all that bad lol!

The old Solid South. You know the one that was solidly Democrat for centuries

Skinner, you are aware that Democrats and Republicans have switched places ideologically since the time of the solid south, right?

No that is a myth. The Republicans did used to be socially moderate but the fiscal views have not changed in ideological scale since the GOP was founded.

What does labels have anything to do with racism? The south is the south whether they are called democrats, republicans or tea party.

Yeah, socially moderate and fiscally conservative. That's why Abraham Lincoln was a radical social liberal with socialistic tendencies.

Socialistic tendencies? If anything he was a corporatist.

www.occasionalplanet.org/2011/12/16/lincoln-and-the-socialist-roots-of-the-republican-party/

Meh that's weak evidence. Even if that's what he meant it's still weak. Actions not words are what matters.

What is hate and ignorance?

The anti Muslim rhetoric. Typical Tea Party rally. I can't wait for Cruz to run for president so he can be publicly humiliated on a bigger scale every day.

Cruz won't make it under the microscope

Venom. That's what's running through his veins at least. He's a hateful person who obviously has a very low self esteem. I can't think of another reason someone would act like such an ass.

Skar- we got some great debates going on. I hope you're ok with it.