Show of HandsShow of Hands

RJ1969 October 14th, 2013 5:04pm

"It's hard not to believe lunatics have taken charge of the asylum in Washington. America is diminished by the standoff. Government shutdowns, debt defaults and the shenanigans witnessed in Washington have no place in the world's superpower."

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centexken Republic of Texas
10/15/13 2:29 am

How soon they forget... The democrats defunded the border fence. Only difference is Bush went along with it. Obama just has to have his way.

www.vdare.com/posts/defund-obamacare-the-border-fence-was

timeout Boston Strong
10/14/13 2:12 pm

John Boehner needs to stop listening to those 30 or so extremist in the house, then we can get something done.

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RJ1969 SoCal
10/14/13 2:14 pm

It's done. Now, it's all about showmanship.

RJ1969 SoCal
10/14/13 2:15 pm

Let's watch them whip their dick out on the table to show us all how big theirs is.

Personally, I bet the biggest pecker award will go to Susan Collins.

timeout Boston Strong
10/14/13 3:10 pm

Haha she could be at the top of the list :)

gonzoboy Arizona
10/14/13 3:35 pm

I have always liked Susan Collins, and felt Maine was blessed to have Collins and Snowe as their Senators.

RJ1969 SoCal
10/14/13 4:46 pm

I agree gonzo.

ScrewU Gone
10/14/13 1:37 pm

Reid - the deficit was $1.03 tril last year. Down only slightly. Not even close to cut in half. Please try to keep up with current events.

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Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/14/13 1:53 pm

Reid- a corporate whore that can't even run a hot dog stand

RJ1969 SoCal
10/14/13 2:10 pm

Well, he is a multimillionaire. Not that he's good, or anything. Just sayin', he's sold a lot of hot dogs somewhere.

Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/14/13 2:12 pm

McConnell made 24 million last year on a 200,00$ salary. My mom never told me about becoming a senator to get rich when I was a kid.

ScrewU Gone
10/14/13 5:01 pm

Feinstein's husband stands to make about a billion dollars in commissions selling post office property. Isn't nepotism a wonderful thing?

ScrewU Gone
10/14/13 5:02 pm

I meant DrReid btw- who's still quoting from an estimate made early this year about the debt being cut almost in half. Which didn't happen. Obama still claims it too.

Liberty 4,032,064
10/14/13 1:28 pm

The federal government is no longer the world's superpower. It's hegemony has been diminishing quite rapidly.

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Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/14/13 1:15 pm

It's the point now where it seems like collusion on both parties. They're both working for the same elites who use them to give the appearance of division when in reality, they're both fucking us over.

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RJ1969 SoCal
10/14/13 1:26 pm

Sad, but probably more true than not.

skinner Wisconsin
10/14/13 1:28 pm

Abo have you ever watched Prison Break?

Liberty 4,032,064
10/14/13 1:32 pm

This guy gets it. Most of their disagreements, especially in this issue, are pure theatre.

Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/14/13 1:40 pm

I've never seen prison break but I love the HBO series Oz. Is prison break good?

skinner Wisconsin
10/14/13 1:48 pm

Yeah it's really intense. The basic plot is that this guy gets framed for the murder of the Vice Presidents brother and so his genius brother develops a plan to break him out before he gets executed.

Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/14/13 1:50 pm

I don't even watch many movies but I love a good series. I'm going to check that out

skinner Wisconsin
10/14/13 1:14 pm

I agree it's horrible that the two parties have become too partisan to reach a solution.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
10/14/13 1:26 pm

They'll find one.
It'll be last minute or the "11th hour".
Both sides will claim a "victory".
There will be another standoff in the future (within the next 12 months).

And we'll get to do this all over again.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
10/14/13 1:28 pm

Party supporters will get caught up in the blame game again.

Like puppets on a string, or a monkey dancing to a music box, never truly understanding, that they are drones.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
10/14/13 1:28 pm

Both parties care more about politics than people.

RJ1969 SoCal
10/14/13 1:31 pm

12 months? Try Jan 31st.

Let's just keep the uncertainty and circus side show going!

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
10/14/13 1:35 pm

Que up the circus theme.

The only thing missing in Washington is a juggling clown...

Or a dancing bear.

RJ1969 SoCal
10/14/13 1:03 pm

Our 2011 credit down grade was because of our divisive, petty, obstructionist representatives.

money.cnn.com/2011/08/05/news/economy/downgrade_rumors/

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ScrewU Gone
10/14/13 1:41 pm

It was a factor, but not THE reason for the downgrade. The main reason was a lack of any plan to repay.

RJ1969 SoCal
10/14/13 12:59 pm

Look at spending levels: www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_spending_chart
and revenues: www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/federal_revenue_chart
and the only reason why we're "in trouble" is because of the politics in DC, not the numbers.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
10/14/13 1:21 pm

The most rapid rate of growth began in 2000 to now. The Houses of congress and the office of the president has suffered an absence of leadership 13 years.

RJ1969 SoCal
10/14/13 1:27 pm

Yes, but what is critical is the slope indicating real GDP growth.

RJ1969 SoCal
10/14/13 1:30 pm

If GDP grows act or beyond spending, then the ROI for that spending is beneficial and a good move. But when you have to spend in a bunk economy and a contracting, the net effect in total debt is bad.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
10/14/13 1:32 pm

That's my point.the last 13 years it has been nominal.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
10/14/13 1:37 pm

I can't help it, I tried to just leave it.

. The**

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
10/14/13 12:22 pm

The halls of power need an enema.

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gonzoboy Arizona
10/14/13 11:00 am

If not for the interference of the lunatics from one side, the lunatics on the other side would be running roughshod through this Country. 17tril would seem like a drop in the bucket.

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SugarShaq
10/14/13 10:52 am

This should have happened a lot more the past 13 years. If it had maybe we would not be 17 trillion in debt.

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Zod Above Pugetropolis
10/14/13 10:34 am

It's got me rethinking my position on American "Exceptionalism". That we tolerate this as a nation, and even support it in a few small factions, means we really must be "special".

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EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
10/14/13 10:35 am

Who is driving the short bus? Do we have enough helmets for everybody?

TempName14 Everywhere but nowhere
10/14/13 10:39 am

What's especially "special" is when we pin the blame only on the other party and cheer our side on, and then complain about the shutdown in general. Now that really is "short bus" material.

MrMilkdud jackass whisperer
10/14/13 10:55 am

How do you propose we stop tolerating it? This is part of our system of checks and balances.
Are we supposed to let the majority party change the rules when they become inconvenient?
Would that make us a better nation?

MrMilkdud jackass whisperer
10/14/13 10:55 am

It isn't like this hasn't happened before.

EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
10/14/13 11:11 am

I guess we have this first amendment thing that says we allow you to say almost whatever fool thing that'll come out of your head, despite whether or not it is true. Interesting UK's Guardian paired up w NYTimes to keep Snowden stuff coming out.

EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
10/14/13 11:12 am

Parliament was about to censor them, so they paired w NYT to be umbrellaed under our first amendment.

suppressedID That is my secret Cap
10/14/13 10:13 am

And this is different from the last 2 decades, how?

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TempName14 Everywhere but nowhere
10/14/13 10:07 am

The shutdown exemplifies how two sides can handle disagreements without violence. There's no fighting, no troop movements, essential services continue, and the two sides are meeting. What we're witnessing are checks and balances doing their job.

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TempName14 Everywhere but nowhere
10/14/13 10:08 am

This is to be expected when the nation whose representatives it is are so deeply divided. We should expect more of this in the future until the American people shift more fully to either the left or the right.

DrReid Ever present.
10/14/13 10:39 am

How about we just reject extremism all together, that is what the polls are showing is going to happen.

TempName14 Everywhere but nowhere
10/14/13 10:41 am

The American people keep voting the same people into office. Perhaps the "extreme" you're talking about exists amongst the people and their representatives are simply a reflection of them? They are elected after all.

2katz I live in Nebraska
10/14/13 10:57 am

@DrReid, if you succeed in carving off the extreme edges of the group, you just have new extreme edges. If you hope to hone society down to universal agreement, you will always have an enemy you want to get rid of. Better to learn from the extremes.

SugarShaq
10/14/13 11:11 am

17 trillion is extreme. Getting rid of it is going to take extreme measures or we keep heading to the extreme of collapse.

DrReid Ever present.
10/14/13 11:22 am

No it is not. Trying to take "extreme measures" will only result in economic catastrophe and as a result such foolishness would only balloon our deficits. This is an issue where cool heads and pragmatism will prevail.

SugarShaq
10/14/13 11:42 am

Yes that's what Obama promised several trillion ago

SugarShaq
10/14/13 11:45 am

He promised to go line by line in reductions

DrReid Ever present.
10/14/13 11:47 am

In case you haven't been paying attention, yes, while the deficit has been high, that is what Obama inherited as a result of both a bad economy, and Bush's irresponsible wars and tax cuts. At least the deficit has been going down under Obama, no

DrReid Ever present.
10/14/13 11:49 am

Thanks to the clowns in the house, trying to sabotage the recovery. 2014 can't get here soon enough.

SugarShaq
10/14/13 11:53 am

Obama promised to cut the deficit in half by end of first term. And the debt has gone up trillions under Obama.

TempName14 Everywhere but nowhere
10/14/13 11:54 am

Reid. Read what I said above about blaming just one party.

DrReid Ever present.
10/14/13 12:01 pm

The deficit has not quite been cut in half, but it has most definitely gone down by a significant margin. Even if the deficit was cut in half, the debt would have still gone up "trillions" under Obama.

DrReid Ever present.
10/14/13 12:04 pm

You are right that is it is wrong to just blame one party. But I am not blaming the Republican Party as a whole, just the small minority of their members who have gone insane. However, I will agree that democrats can share some of the blame.

SugarShaq
10/14/13 12:54 pm

I will not be bullied by the left into voting for a "moderate" republican ever again. They spend just like dems. You can take down our country but it won't be with my vote.

TempName14 Everywhere but nowhere
10/14/13 12:57 pm

Bingo LateGreat!!! This is why I'm an independent now. :-)

DrReid Ever present.
10/14/13 1:08 pm

We don't need extremism to get things done, America has a great diverse set of ideas, and values. You are just one out of many, and you can't get everything you want. We agree that the deficit should continue to shrink, but you are willing to ignore

DrReid Ever present.
10/14/13 1:10 pm

That goal to do everything your way. (Which would only result in larger deficits and a much weaker economy, btw.) Thankfully, America has woken up the the folly of extremism. 2014 here we come.

SugarShaq
10/14/13 1:45 pm

Ok Reid, I agree we should do it obamas "way. " Cut the deficit in half based on 2012 levels and cap the debt ceiling at 2006 levels. All according to his own words. I agree 100% with that.

DrReid Ever present.
10/14/13 1:47 pm

The recession was worse than we thought. Those are not viable goals anymore, but if we cut and tax responsibly, we can get there in good time.

SugarShaq
10/14/13 2:21 pm

Then where is obamas cut plan? He has never even gotten a budget passed.

DrReid Ever present.
10/14/13 5:21 pm

We have made the cuts in the continuing resolutions as well as the savings from the ACA. The point is, the deficit is shrinking at the fastest rate since WW2, and you don't have to take my word for it.

PeppyHare Do a barrel roll
10/14/13 10:06 am

Eventually they'll realize that if neither party budges that we all lose.

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