Wether or not you think gay marriage/marriage equality should be legalized or not, should it be a state by state issue, or should it be decided at the national level (either through amendment or juridical review)?
Federal matter. Federal marriage by federal courts legal nationally. Recognition required by states. Is it the law or not. If we left it up to the states some would still have slavery and for sure abortion wouldn't be legal.
While states are allowed to handle marriage issues, this has become a civil rights issue, making it a problem for the national government.
Good I like that.
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Dude, you're an idiot. Is your life that boring and awful, that you feel the need to troll and be unbelievably annoying? Get a life. Soh was so much better when cowboy was the only troll...
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If you can get your liberal thoughts around it
Presleyc5 thanks for the interest, I have no feelings toward the community , it is relevant
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Then we can change the vows to read m/w + m/w tax break
The from a legal point it's just a way to get spousal benefits
Are you just trolling? You made a completely irrelevant comment earlier, and have yet to explain why you think it's related. If you don't have anything to add that's relative to the question, why even comment?
And your view that it's just to get spousal benefits is wrong and hurtful to the community it's directed towards. If you don't agree w/ gay marriage fine, but that wasn't the question.
Your off base Matt grow up
I'm sorry, but this so much fun
From a legal pout the bible isn't law. That's what I meant
He am I off base?
Read the bible
What? What does the Bible have to do with the way our nation is governed?
Trolling this one.
Oh sorry you guys can't read
J what are you talking about
Please, by all means, share with us the wisdom only you possess.
The bible has absolutely nothing to do with this. We are a secular country last time I checked!!
The bible has absolutely nothing todo with governing the nation
I wouldn't say 'absolutely nothing', but in this case I fail to see how it applies. Still waiting on that.
Steel I meant from a legal point the bible isn't the law of the land
I don't think the government should be involved in anything that has to do with marriage. I voted states, but I don't think any of the options are right.
It's more than just marriage, HOWEVER, you should pick one since it is still the way things work whether you agree with it or not.
I understand. I picked state because I thought it would be the shortest way to overcome the obstacles.
I think you know that I support equal rights.
Yes, of course.
I onow you support equal rights, but I don't see how it would be shorter to go through the states. Why do you think it would?
The federal government is so slow. States would challenge any move. It would go to the SCOTUS. Nothing would happen for years. If the states decided some would move fast. Others would realize the world would not end and move too. Just my simple view.
Tom you reminded me if something. The full faith and credit clause. New question coming up!
Equality and other basic rights are not something that should ever be left to individual states or even individual citizen/voters.
Perfectly stated Zod!
Who then oh master
Mind if I use that as a question in a few days zod?
Matt no, definitely go ahead.
Great question Matt! I've seen a lot of responses here that were very helpful to me and made me change my response and the way I think about this. I was just thinking "more things need to be decided by states themselves" so I chose states initially
but as I said after reading many of the comments it just doesn't make sense to do it like that.
I was thinking the same thing. Less power to the federal government in general.
None. Scrap laws concerning marraige
If you had to pick
Completely national. If I got married to my partner in Minnesota and we move to Michigan, now our marriage means nothing!? And to further complicate things, we can file federal taxes together, but listed as single at the state?? Bullsh**!
Wow, good point that completely slipped my mind. I would like more things to be kept at the state level but seeing this point has made me change my answer
Has to be national. State by state makes no sense. Married in NY, single in Kansas? Stupid. Plus it wound affect businesses. I person might want a transfer for promotion but that state says he/she is single. Military too. This is where united means
something more than just our name.
That's a good point. Someone could be offered a promotion in another state, but they can't claim married status on a lot of things and would end up having to pay more with their promotion.
National. Government benefits for spouses are the greatest of all.
Your catching on
National. It's a civil rights issue; we don't accord people different civil rights dependent on what state they live in.
Second this ^^^
National law under liberals is dictatorship
Extending civil rights is dictatorship?
That would hinge upon if marriage is a civil right
I think the government should stay out of marriage. I don't really care whether gay marriage is legalized because marriage deals with the church and my church will not allow any gay marriage.
As long as marriage is recognize by the government including for taxa brackets should it be allowed?
Marriage doesn't "deal with the church." Many people marry without the involvement of any church. Marriage equality would not require any religious organization to conduct marriages Ong homosexuals.
Marriage does not deal with the church unless you're living in the Middle Ages. Not all marriages are religious. Many are secular.
I for it, keep marriage out of the law and be with any adult/ adults you want to be with
I think either way, it should be on the national level, for the sake of continuity. It'd be lame to have marriages be illegitimate if you move to another state or whatever. Really, I'd like govt out of marriage altogether tho.
Their are federal rights for marriage so it needs to be a national issue - also straight couples do not have to worry about getting married in one state and then moving to another state and having legal rights of marriage taken away - so neither
Should gay/lesbian couples
So not state, or national? Or am I misinterpreting?
Nm* not no
Haha, seemed like you were talking to yourself for a minute there.
I think it should be decided on the nat'l level to not interfere with marriage at all.
I'm not sure that will ever happen, but it's better than discrimination.
Should Race relations have been left to state by state? No. Make it national.
Why must people always compare these two together?!? They have nothing in common. Slaves were forced, homosexuality is not.
No, they are the same because skin color is a choice and neither is sexual orientation.
is not a choice*
Race Relations and slavery aren't the same things. I was referring to the 1960's civil rights movement.
Every state should legalize gay marriage. Follow the Massachusetts liberal example.
But should it ultimately be decided on the national level?
What about Osoulless' comparison?
And if some states don't? Should we have a country where in some states lesbians and gays can marry and others where they are treated as second class citizens?
why should this be a state issue? Lay it out for us.
Because gay marriage is not in any way supported by the federal Constitution. Therefore it falls under the tenth amendment and states choice. This is solely a state power.
And slavery wasn't either. It was added because they knew that the inequality could not stand any more. I know it's NOT equivalent to slavery, but it is still gross inequality that is not to be taken one at a time while some are still 2nd class citz
You pseudo intellectuals confuse yourselves
J there you are! Come up the thread and explain yourself! What did you mean by "read the Bible"