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Mattwall1 October 14th, 2013 2:20pm

Wether or not you think gay marriage/marriage equality should be legalized or not, should it be a state by state issue, or should it be decided at the national level (either through amendment or juridical review)?

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bringstheeagle Colorado
10/14/13 7:25 pm

Federal matter. Federal marriage by federal courts legal nationally. Recognition required by states. Is it the law or not. If we left it up to the states some would still have slavery and for sure abortion wouldn't be legal.

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BandNerd Moderately Absolute
10/14/13 7:15 pm

While states are allowed to handle marriage issues, this has become a civil rights issue, making it a problem for the national government.

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jvc1133 61535
10/14/13 5:24 pm

JV please and no I do not make command appearances

jvc1133 61535
10/14/13 3:31 pm

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jvc1133 61535
10/14/13 3:24 pm

Pc5 thank you, your a bit of heaven in such a turbulent. World

presleyc5 tejas
10/14/13 3:21 pm

Dude, you're an idiot. Is your life that boring and awful, that you feel the need to troll and be unbelievably annoying? Get a life. Soh was so much better when cowboy was the only troll...

jvc1133 61535
10/14/13 2:58 pm

Sp spell check no help Yourselves

jvc1133 61535
10/14/13 2:56 pm

I'm going back to my audio book, talk amoost

jvc1133 61535
10/14/13 2:50 pm

If you can get your liberal thoughts around it

jvc1133 61535
10/14/13 2:49 pm

Presleyc5 thanks for the interest, I have no feelings toward the community , it is relevant

jvc1133 61535
10/14/13 2:36 pm

Then we can change the vows to read m/w + m/w tax break

jvc1133 61535
10/14/13 2:34 pm

The from a legal point it's just a way to get spousal benefits

presleyc5 tejas
10/14/13 2:42 pm

Are you just trolling? You made a completely irrelevant comment earlier, and have yet to explain why you think it's related. If you don't have anything to add that's relative to the question, why even comment?

presleyc5 tejas
10/14/13 2:43 pm

And your view that it's just to get spousal benefits is wrong and hurtful to the community it's directed towards. If you don't agree w/ gay marriage fine, but that wasn't the question.

jvc1133 61535
10/14/13 2:28 pm

I'm sorry, but this so much fun

Mattwall1
10/14/13 2:30 pm

From a legal pout the bible isn't law. That's what I meant

Mattwall1
10/14/13 2:31 pm

How so?

Mattwall1
10/14/13 2:57 pm

He am I off base?

skinner Wisconsin
10/14/13 12:39 pm

What? What does the Bible have to do with the way our nation is governed?

steelcity Pittsburgh
10/14/13 1:10 pm

Trolling this one.

jvc1133 61535
10/14/13 1:14 pm

Oh sorry you guys can't read

skinner Wisconsin
10/14/13 1:16 pm

J what are you talking about

steelcity Pittsburgh
10/14/13 1:17 pm

Please, by all means, share with us the wisdom only you possess.

presleyc5 tejas
10/14/13 1:41 pm

The bible has absolutely nothing to do with this. We are a secular country last time I checked!!

Mattwall1
10/14/13 2:20 pm

The bible has absolutely nothing todo with governing the nation

steelcity Pittsburgh
10/14/13 2:29 pm

I wouldn't say 'absolutely nothing', but in this case I fail to see how it applies. Still waiting on that.

Mattwall1
10/14/13 2:31 pm

Steel I meant from a legal point the bible isn't the law of the land

TomM
10/14/13 11:26 am

I don't think the government should be involved in anything that has to do with marriage. I voted states, but I don't think any of the options are right.

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BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/14/13 11:48 am

It's more than just marriage, HOWEVER, you should pick one since it is still the way things work whether you agree with it or not.

TomM
10/14/13 2:45 pm

I understand. I picked state because I thought it would be the shortest way to overcome the obstacles.

TomM
10/14/13 2:46 pm

I think you know that I support equal rights.

Mattwall1
10/14/13 2:58 pm

I onow you support equal rights, but I don't see how it would be shorter to go through the states. Why do you think it would?

TomM
10/14/13 3:14 pm

The federal government is so slow. States would challenge any move. It would go to the SCOTUS. Nothing would happen for years. If the states decided some would move fast. Others would realize the world would not end and move too. Just my simple view.

Mattwall1
10/14/13 4:12 pm

Tom you reminded me if something. The full faith and credit clause. New question coming up!

Zod Above Pugetropolis
10/14/13 9:56 am

Equality and other basic rights are not something that should ever be left to individual states or even individual citizen/voters.

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Mattwall1
10/14/13 2:26 pm

Exactly zod

presleyc5 tejas
10/14/13 2:45 pm

Perfectly stated Zod!

Mattwall1
10/16/13 5:18 pm

Mind if I use that as a question in a few days zod?

FemmeAdamWest in the Tardis library
10/14/13 9:27 am

Great question Matt! I've seen a lot of responses here that were very helpful to me and made me change my response and the way I think about this. I was just thinking "more things need to be decided by states themselves" so I chose states initially

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FemmeAdamWest in the Tardis library
10/14/13 9:28 am

but as I said after reading many of the comments it just doesn't make sense to do it like that.

cornybread The Large Malus Fruit
10/14/13 10:35 am

I was thinking the same thing. Less power to the federal government in general.

JustBob Your anger fascinates me
10/14/13 9:07 am

None. Scrap laws concerning marraige

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mherclif Ann Arbor, MI
10/14/13 8:50 am

Completely national. If I got married to my partner in Minnesota and we move to Michigan, now our marriage means nothing!? And to further complicate things, we can file federal taxes together, but listed as single at the state?? Bullsh**!

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FemmeAdamWest in the Tardis library
10/14/13 9:23 am

Wow, good point that completely slipped my mind. I would like more things to be kept at the state level but seeing this point has made me change my answer

DavesNotHere where am I
10/14/13 8:26 am

Has to be national. State by state makes no sense. Married in NY, single in Kansas? Stupid. Plus it wound affect businesses. I person might want a transfer for promotion but that state says he/she is single. Military too. This is where united means

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DavesNotHere where am I
10/14/13 8:26 am

something more than just our name.

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/14/13 11:47 am

That's a good point. Someone could be offered a promotion in another state, but they can't claim married status on a lot of things and would end up having to pay more with their promotion.

rons screw politicians
10/14/13 8:17 am

National. Government benefits for spouses are the greatest of all.

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susanr Colorado
10/14/13 8:11 am

National. It's a civil rights issue; we don't accord people different civil rights dependent on what state they live in.

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fredd TrumpLand
10/14/13 11:11 am

⬆⬆⬆ This!

Mattwall1
10/14/13 12:08 pm

Second this ^^^

jvc1133 61535
10/14/13 2:24 pm

National law under liberals is dictatorship

Mattwall1
10/14/13 2:25 pm

Extending civil rights is dictatorship?

rightway101 the thought provoker
10/15/13 1:16 am

That would hinge upon if marriage is a civil right

JaidOC Macon, GA
10/14/13 7:45 am

I think the government should stay out of marriage. I don't really care whether gay marriage is legalized because marriage deals with the church and my church will not allow any gay marriage.

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Mattwall1
10/14/13 7:54 am

As long as marriage is recognize by the government including for taxa brackets should it be allowed?

susanr Colorado
10/14/13 8:09 am

Marriage doesn't "deal with the church." Many people marry without the involvement of any church. Marriage equality would not require any religious organization to conduct marriages Ong homosexuals.

DavesNotHere where am I
10/14/13 8:28 am

Marriage does not deal with the church unless you're living in the Middle Ages. Not all marriages are religious. Many are secular.

JustBob Your anger fascinates me
10/14/13 8:48 am

I for it, keep marriage out of the law and be with any adult/ adults you want to be with

curly
10/14/13 7:38 am

I think either way, it should be on the national level, for the sake of continuity. It'd be lame to have marriages be illegitimate if you move to another state or whatever. Really, I'd like govt out of marriage altogether tho.

shellybaxter1234 Peaceful Place
10/14/13 7:32 am

Their are federal rights for marriage so it needs to be a national issue - also straight couples do not have to worry about getting married in one state and then moving to another state and having legal rights of marriage taken away - so neither

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shellybaxter1234 Peaceful Place
10/14/13 7:33 am

Should gay/lesbian couples

Mattwall1
10/14/13 7:33 am

So not state, or national? Or am I misinterpreting?

ModerateGOP26 Maine
10/14/13 9:52 am

Haha, seemed like you were talking to yourself for a minute there.

vanguarde Kennesaw, GA
10/14/13 7:29 am

I think it should be decided on the nat'l level to not interfere with marriage at all.

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Mattwall1
10/14/13 7:32 am

I'm not sure that will ever happen, but it's better than discrimination.

osouless Whats Next
10/14/13 7:23 am

Should Race relations have been left to state by state? No. Make it national.

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AngryAngel Oswego, IL
10/14/13 7:29 am

Why must people always compare these two together?!? They have nothing in common. Slaves were forced, homosexuality is not.

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/14/13 7:50 am

No, they are the same because skin color is a choice and neither is sexual orientation.

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/14/13 7:56 am

is not a choice*

osouless Whats Next
10/14/13 8:09 am

Race Relations and slavery aren't the same things. I was referring to the 1960's civil rights movement.

skinner Wisconsin
10/14/13 7:21 am

Every state should legalize gay marriage. Follow the Massachusetts liberal example.

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Mattwall1
10/14/13 7:22 am

But should it ultimately be decided on the national level?

Mattwall1
10/14/13 7:24 am

What about Osoulless' comparison?

Mattwall1
10/14/13 7:25 am

And if some states don't? Should we have a country where in some states lesbians and gays can marry and others where they are treated as second class citizens?

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/14/13 7:57 am

why should this be a state issue? Lay it out for us.

skinner Wisconsin
10/14/13 9:06 am

Because gay marriage is not in any way supported by the federal Constitution. Therefore it falls under the tenth amendment and states choice. This is solely a state power.

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
10/14/13 11:43 am

And slavery wasn't either. It was added because they knew that the inequality could not stand any more. I know it's NOT equivalent to slavery, but it is still gross inequality that is not to be taken one at a time while some are still 2nd class citz

jvc1133 61535
10/14/13 5:10 pm

You pseudo intellectuals confuse yourselves

skinner Wisconsin
10/14/13 5:19 pm

J there you are! Come up the thread and explain yourself! What did you mean by "read the Bible"