A 14 year old kid is verbally abused by a classmate, called worthless and pathetic daily. Went to the school and his parents, neither helped. Fed up with this, the boy hires a 16 year old to beat up the bully. Do you approve of his solution?
The end doesn't necessarily justify the means, but when all else fails, an end is an end.
I don't approve of that per se (to a small degree I do), but I commend the kid for taking care of himself. Instead of giving up, he found a solution. Good job, kid.
What's the poor kid gonna do when administration won't do a damn thing, parents won't do a thing, either he's unable to whup the kid's ass, or unwilling to. But it's sad he has to get someone else to do it. I'd beat the parents instead
I don't approve but I understand.
I wouldn't hold it against someone for punching the kid himself, or you for fighting with the parents, but paying an older child to get involved is sickening.
I don't approve, but I don't see much else they could have done.
School won't do anything. Parents won't. That's when I would take matters in my own hands
You can't fight hate with hate, or fire with fire. It doesn't work.
It would most likely get even worse.
People don't understand that concept nowadays. Its sad.
Those who cannot do, hire those to do it for them. The issue has resolved itself.
He dealt with the problem the best way he saw fit. I approve.
Good solution. Power to the 14 year olds. To me it's comparable to a kid being bullied calling in a big brother. It happens all the time I'm sure.
No, but not for the normal reasons. I just don't want the 16yo trained up as a hired hit-squad.
For a box of high quality chocolate covered cherries (no Walmart crap) I'll kick both his parents' butts too.
Smart kid as far as I'm concerned. I'd call him a problem solver.
Better solution. Next time this kid degrades him, tell him to zip it. This is unacceptable behavior. Immature behavior unbecoming of a teenager. Then walk off.
If it persists, go drill sergeant on him until he gets pulled off by an adult. :D
Sometimes hard to do when you're 65 lbs soaking wet
I know. But if he gets the mental confidence, he can do it. 5' 3" female drill sergeants can put terror in the eyes of 6' 3" male recruits when they want to.
A 65 pound 14 year old obviously has some serious health problems unless he is a real midget. Which would certainly make his case harder unfortunately.
Or a serious amount of time on a computer and not a big fan of physical activity
If you're left with no other solution then ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
Here's a thought I just had. If he does that he may stop the bully from bullying him but he does not stop the bully from being a bully.
So better to put the bully down for good?
Ha! Not quite what I had in mind.
Lol, what is that? Death to bullies?
I'd approve if he just handled his problem himself - and I see the biggest problem he has is that he gives two squirts what some other kid says. I'd never approve of reacting to mere words with violence, a totally inappropriate escalation.
Despite what your mama told you, violence does solve problems.
I think there is an argument against mere words, as they seem to cause damage to self esteem and such
Problems get solved the best when it's just the two parties, no one else. Do I think the bully needs to get beat up? Yes. Do I think that the kid needs a 16 year old to do it for him? No.
Tony Soprano...you gotta do what you gotta do. Bullies need to get beat down!
Yes. I hate bullies.
I was bullied as a youngster until I learned that a good punch to the throat turns enemies into either a friend or a bystander. Either one is ok.
Later, in football, I got hit in the throat and learned why it always worked.
That actually makes him one BAMF. You have to admire his creativity to solve the problem, he's probably been watching too many mafia movies though lol.
And let's be honest, the kid doing the bullying at the beginning needed his ass beat and put in his place anyhow.
Sounds like the plot of 'My Bodyguard' www.imdb.com/title/tt0081207/?ref_=sr_1. This represents a failure of the adults to protect the child. He did what he felt he had to do to create a safe environment for himself. I get it.
No, you don't respond to verbal action with physical action.
Though, I give the kid kudos for resourcefulness.
Approve? No. Understand? Absolutely!!!!! My son was bullied and the school did nothing. He didn't hire anyone but finally started swinging. Then HE got in trouble but not the bullies. Ugh. Bullying didn't stop until we moved from that neighborhood.
I can't stand that. That kid's parents would have received a visit from me.
Believe me, the parents got a visit. And when it carried over into Church, the YM President got a piece of my mind along with the Bishop. It was bad. And yet, nothing changed until we left that ward. Sad for sure.
It's unusual I think that what you did didn't solve the problem.
I agree it's unusual. One of the boys' parents didn't know what to do either. They tried. The other boys' parents/guardians didn't. It really frustrated me. I've never been so glad to leave a ward!!!!!
Do what you gotta do.
The right way didn't work, so the kid solved his own problem-bully the bully.
Problem solved. Good deal.
Understand yes. Approve no.
If you were say, a pen pal, and he floated this idea by you, would you advise him not to?
I would advise him not to. I'd remind him that there is a reason bullies are the way they are. In many cases everything they are doing or saying to their victim, someone bigger and stronger is saying to them. We unfortunately do not live in a world..
that is going to give us positivity every day. As adults we deal with messages if inadequacy all the time. I'd advise him that this is the time to build yourself up and be strong and sure of yourself. Hurting someone else will never accomplish that.
In this way he is preparing to be a healthy adult rather than one who allows others opinions to define him.
Easier said than done but that'd be my advice.
Good point, who knows, you hiring a bigger bully might send the other over the edge, maybe gets beat by someone at home and now at school.
Your scenario is a little behind the times - in today's world there wouldn't be just one bully - there would be a network and it wouldn't stop at school - it would continue online. There would be no "beating the snot out of him" because him would
Be an awful lot of them. It's really sad how horrible bullying has become
Yep. And schools either can't do anything, think they can't even when they can, or just won't. And I know some say just turn it off. That's not a bad idea, but it would be equivalent of my dad (who grew up in the 70s) being locked in his house from
When he got home to when he went to school, except if he tried to step out a bunch of wild tigers would attempt to devour him.
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If no one helps, no one should be upset when he helps himself.
He didn't help himself, there are two bullies in thin scenario
The hired kid is not a bully in this scenario. He put an end to the first bully.
I could agree if the pay wasn't in there
He's a mercenary :)
Ha! He could set up a booth outside the cafeteria
Pay makes him a bully?
Debatable, what kind of kid charges money to beat another?
Maybe the bullied kid offered. Is this even a real situation that happened?
I feel sorry for the bullied kid but don't approve of the way he dealt with it. He should have fought the kid himself. Even if he had to fight him every day, he would have gained respect.
I think you're underestimating the fear little boys have of fighting, esp when facing a larger, aggressive boy.
I can't even imagine how hard it must be for bullied kids. Perhaps you're right.
@kscott not entirely, I was bullied and felt that way for a while, and found that if you manner up the will to push past the fear, usually (with my experience anyhow) if you stand up and fight back they usually don't like it as much and stop.
I understand that some kids may be able to muster up the courage but I would argue not most. I was a Big Brother to a 9 yr old that was bullied for having a lazy eye. He was scrawny and didn't have a good home environment. Father and mother in
prison. Sweetest kid but he never would've been able to fight back. He would tell me stories....saddest stuff. Didn't want to go to school.
I definitely agree with you, and likewise wouldn't argue most, I'd just rather try to fight back, but that's only because of my own personal experience being bullied or picked on.
I don't approve, but I'm not passing judgement or expecting him to be punished either. He's a kid and did what he thought he had to, to solve the problem on his own.
I don't think he could be punished? I may be wrong, hiring someone to beat another wasn't in my school rules
They'd probably find a way bob. I definitely don't approve, and I'm lucky my parents tried to help me out. I'm pretty sure they'd find a way to punish the 14 and 16 year old though.
It's certainly against the law and beating someone up is assault
Not all parents, nor schools are the same
That's true - but the law is the same pretty much everywhere
Bob, I know that, that's why I said I was lucky. It would technically be assault, so they'd probably bring in the campus officers. If nothing else, doing this only helps the bully.
I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished, just that I'm not going to be leading the battle cry for it.
Matt - is this a true story?
I don't know if bob's scenario is true. I definitely never tried to beat anyone up or try to get someone to do it for me. My middle school did a decent job, but my high school kind of ignored the issue, especially since much was online.
Matt, I'm sorry to hear that. No one deserves to be bullied. While I'm not an advocate for vigilante justice, I can't help but empathize in the situation Bob brought up. Both sides are wrong in some way, but I understand the bullied child's side.
I don't know if it's true either, just something I can envision happening.
Bob - just re-read your initial response. Sorry I took that completely opposite of what you intended I think...
Yep. Smart kid.
The results surprise me
Which way? Did you expect more noes or more yeses?