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JustBob October 14th, 2013 1:01pm

A 14 year old kid is verbally abused by a classmate, called worthless and pathetic daily. Went to the school and his parents, neither helped. Fed up with this, the boy hires a 16 year old to beat up the bully. Do you approve of his solution?

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presrvd Phoenix
10/15/13 9:41 am

The end doesn't necessarily justify the means, but when all else fails, an end is an end.

wego Utah
10/15/13 5:35 am

I don't approve of that per se (to a small degree I do), but I commend the kid for taking care of himself. Instead of giving up, he found a solution. Good job, kid.

ladyniner81 no hope for humanity
10/14/13 8:40 pm

What's the poor kid gonna do when administration won't do a damn thing, parents won't do a thing, either he's unable to whup the kid's ass, or unwilling to. But it's sad he has to get someone else to do it. I'd beat the parents instead

honest
10/14/13 6:01 pm

I don't approve but I understand.

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jonny323
10/14/13 3:06 pm

I wouldn't hold it against someone for punching the kid himself, or you for fighting with the parents, but paying an older child to get involved is sickening.

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madolesen Nerdfighteria
10/14/13 2:33 pm

I don't approve, but I don't see much else they could have done.

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Evseng2
10/14/13 1:44 pm

School won't do anything. Parents won't. That's when I would take matters in my own hands

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kc17 Minnesota
10/14/13 1:23 pm

You can't fight hate with hate, or fire with fire. It doesn't work.

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starrlite95 Pontiac, mi
10/14/13 4:23 pm

It would most likely get even worse.

kc17 Minnesota
10/14/13 7:18 pm

People don't understand that concept nowadays. Its sad.

monkees19 New Jersey
10/14/13 1:18 pm

Those who cannot do, hire those to do it for them. The issue has resolved itself.

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mrcoyote Casa Grande
10/14/13 11:48 am

He dealt with the problem the best way he saw fit. I approve.

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TomM
10/14/13 11:31 am

Good solution. Power to the 14 year olds. To me it's comparable to a kid being bullied calling in a big brother. It happens all the time I'm sure.

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lightsabr2 The Big Sky
10/14/13 11:06 am

No, but not for the normal reasons. I just don't want the 16yo trained up as a hired hit-squad.

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2katz I live in Nebraska
10/14/13 10:45 am

For a box of high quality chocolate covered cherries (no Walmart crap) I'll kick both his parents' butts too.

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kjos PNW
10/14/13 9:57 am

Smart kid as far as I'm concerned. I'd call him a problem solver.

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FIAT2LUX On Planet Earth
10/14/13 9:15 am

Better solution. Next time this kid degrades him, tell him to zip it. This is unacceptable behavior. Immature behavior unbecoming of a teenager. Then walk off.

If it persists, go drill sergeant on him until he gets pulled off by an adult. :D

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JustBob Your anger fascinates me
10/14/13 9:22 am

Sometimes hard to do when you're 65 lbs soaking wet

FIAT2LUX On Planet Earth
10/14/13 9:44 am

I know. But if he gets the mental confidence, he can do it. 5' 3" female drill sergeants can put terror in the eyes of 6' 3" male recruits when they want to.

FIAT2LUX On Planet Earth
10/14/13 9:46 am

A 65 pound 14 year old obviously has some serious health problems unless he is a real midget. Which would certainly make his case harder unfortunately.

JustBob Your anger fascinates me
10/14/13 9:48 am

Or a serious amount of time on a computer and not a big fan of physical activity

truenuff
10/14/13 9:05 am

If you're left with no other solution then ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

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MarciS Formerly mjs83
10/14/13 8:25 am

Here's a thought I just had. If he does that he may stop the bully from bullying him but he does not stop the bully from being a bully.

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truenuff
10/14/13 9:07 am

So better to put the bully down for good?

MarciS Formerly mjs83
10/14/13 9:13 am

Ha! Not quite what I had in mind.

JustBob Your anger fascinates me
10/14/13 9:15 am

Lol, what is that? Death to bullies?

Zod Above Pugetropolis
10/14/13 8:22 am

I'd approve if he just handled his problem himself - and I see the biggest problem he has is that he gives two squirts what some other kid says. I'd never approve of reacting to mere words with violence, a totally inappropriate escalation.

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truenuff
10/14/13 9:08 am

Despite what your mama told you, violence does solve problems.

JustBob Your anger fascinates me
10/14/13 9:16 am

I think there is an argument against mere words, as they seem to cause damage to self esteem and such

GotHeem Indiana
10/14/13 8:17 am

Problems get solved the best when it's just the two parties, no one else. Do I think the bully needs to get beat up? Yes. Do I think that the kid needs a 16 year old to do it for him? No.

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alval California
10/14/13 8:09 am

Tony Soprano...you gotta do what you gotta do. Bullies need to get beat down!

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TempName14 Everywhere but nowhere
10/14/13 8:12 am

I was bullied as a youngster until I learned that a good punch to the throat turns enemies into either a friend or a bystander. Either one is ok.

TempName14 Everywhere but nowhere
10/14/13 8:13 am

Later, in football, I got hit in the throat and learned why it always worked.

PeppyHare Do a barrel roll
10/14/13 7:58 am

That actually makes him one BAMF. You have to admire his creativity to solve the problem, he's probably been watching too many mafia movies though lol.

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PeppyHare Do a barrel roll
10/14/13 7:59 am

And let's be honest, the kid doing the bullying at the beginning needed his ass beat and put in his place anyhow.

Squidboy Snarkapottamus
10/14/13 7:44 am

Sounds like the plot of 'My Bodyguard' www.imdb.com/title/tt0081207/?ref_=sr_1. This represents a failure of the adults to protect the child. He did what he felt he had to do to create a safe environment for himself. I get it.

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Liberty 4,032,064
10/14/13 7:39 am

No, you don't respond to verbal action with physical action.

Though, I give the kid kudos for resourcefulness.

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jms in the middle of Nowhere
10/14/13 7:38 am

Approve? No. Understand? Absolutely!!!!! My son was bullied and the school did nothing. He didn't hire anyone but finally started swinging. Then HE got in trouble but not the bullies. Ugh. Bullying didn't stop until we moved from that neighborhood.

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TempName14 Everywhere but nowhere
10/14/13 8:10 am

I can't stand that. That kid's parents would have received a visit from me.

jms in the middle of Nowhere
10/14/13 9:11 am

Believe me, the parents got a visit. And when it carried over into Church, the YM President got a piece of my mind along with the Bishop. It was bad. And yet, nothing changed until we left that ward. Sad for sure.

TempName14 Everywhere but nowhere
10/14/13 9:16 am

It's unusual I think that what you did didn't solve the problem.

jms in the middle of Nowhere
10/14/13 9:37 am

I agree it's unusual. One of the boys' parents didn't know what to do either. They tried. The other boys' parents/guardians didn't. It really frustrated me. I've never been so glad to leave a ward!!!!!

Br@ndon Your Soul
10/14/13 7:33 am

Do what you gotta do.

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MrsLizT South Louisiana
10/14/13 6:34 am

The right way didn't work, so the kid solved his own problem-bully the bully.
Problem solved. Good deal.

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MarciS Formerly mjs83
10/14/13 6:31 am

Understand yes. Approve no.

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JustBob Your anger fascinates me
10/14/13 7:24 am

If you were say, a pen pal, and he floated this idea by you, would you advise him not to?

MarciS Formerly mjs83
10/14/13 8:08 am

I would advise him not to. I'd remind him that there is a reason bullies are the way they are. In many cases everything they are doing or saying to their victim, someone bigger and stronger is saying to them. We unfortunately do not live in a world..

MarciS Formerly mjs83
10/14/13 8:10 am

that is going to give us positivity every day. As adults we deal with messages if inadequacy all the time. I'd advise him that this is the time to build yourself up and be strong and sure of yourself. Hurting someone else will never accomplish that.

MarciS Formerly mjs83
10/14/13 8:11 am

In this way he is preparing to be a healthy adult rather than one who allows others opinions to define him.

MarciS Formerly mjs83
10/14/13 8:11 am

Easier said than done but that'd be my advice.

JustBob Your anger fascinates me
10/14/13 9:20 am

Good point, who knows, you hiring a bigger bully might send the other over the edge, maybe gets beat by someone at home and now at school.

shellybaxter1234 Peaceful Place
10/14/13 6:20 am

Your scenario is a little behind the times - in today's world there wouldn't be just one bully - there would be a network and it wouldn't stop at school - it would continue online. There would be no "beating the snot out of him" because him would

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shellybaxter1234 Peaceful Place
10/14/13 6:21 am

Be an awful lot of them. It's really sad how horrible bullying has become

Mattwall1
10/14/13 6:28 am

Yep. And schools either can't do anything, think they can't even when they can, or just won't. And I know some say just turn it off. That's not a bad idea, but it would be equivalent of my dad (who grew up in the 70s) being locked in his house from

Mattwall1
10/14/13 6:29 am

When he got home to when he went to school, except if he tried to step out a bunch of wild tigers would attempt to devour him.

MrMilkdud
10/14/13 6:19 am

Bullies for Hire, inc.
taking applications now!

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Keldeo Laverre City
10/14/13 6:18 am

If no one helps, no one should be upset when he helps himself.

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JustBob Your anger fascinates me
10/14/13 6:20 am

He didn't help himself, there are two bullies in thin scenario

kscott516 EB rules
10/14/13 6:33 am

The hired kid is not a bully in this scenario. He put an end to the first bully.

JustBob Your anger fascinates me
10/14/13 6:35 am

I could agree if the pay wasn't in there

icytoes the tepid north
10/14/13 7:36 am

He's a mercenary :)

JustBob Your anger fascinates me
10/14/13 9:39 am

Ha! He could set up a booth outside the cafeteria

kscott516 EB rules
10/14/13 9:59 am

Pay makes him a bully?

JustBob Your anger fascinates me
10/14/13 10:52 am

Debatable, what kind of kid charges money to beat another?

kscott516 EB rules
10/14/13 12:12 pm

Maybe the bullied kid offered. Is this even a real situation that happened?

EarlyBird Portland
10/14/13 6:18 am

I feel sorry for the bullied kid but don't approve of the way he dealt with it. He should have fought the kid himself. Even if he had to fight him every day, he would have gained respect.

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kscott516 EB rules
10/14/13 6:34 am

I think you're underestimating the fear little boys have of fighting, esp when facing a larger, aggressive boy.

EarlyBird Portland
10/14/13 6:39 am

I can't even imagine how hard it must be for bullied kids. Perhaps you're right.

Ghostreconss mars
10/14/13 8:24 am

@kscott not entirely, I was bullied and felt that way for a while, and found that if you manner up the will to push past the fear, usually (with my experience anyhow) if you stand up and fight back they usually don't like it as much and stop.

kscott516 EB rules
10/14/13 10:01 am

I understand that some kids may be able to muster up the courage but I would argue not most. I was a Big Brother to a 9 yr old that was bullied for having a lazy eye. He was scrawny and didn't have a good home environment. Father and mother in

kscott516 EB rules
10/14/13 10:02 am

prison. Sweetest kid but he never would've been able to fight back. He would tell me stories....saddest stuff. Didn't want to go to school.

Ghostreconss mars
10/14/13 10:07 am

I definitely agree with you, and likewise wouldn't argue most, I'd just rather try to fight back, but that's only because of my own personal experience being bullied or picked on.

twss trump is a garbage human
10/14/13 6:12 am

I don't approve, but I'm not passing judgement or expecting him to be punished either. He's a kid and did what he thought he had to, to solve the problem on his own.

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JustBob Your anger fascinates me
10/14/13 6:18 am

I don't think he could be punished? I may be wrong, hiring someone to beat another wasn't in my school rules

Mattwall1
10/14/13 6:21 am

They'd probably find a way bob. I definitely don't approve, and I'm lucky my parents tried to help me out. I'm pretty sure they'd find a way to punish the 14 and 16 year old though.

shellybaxter1234 Peaceful Place
10/14/13 6:23 am

It's certainly against the law and beating someone up is assault

JustBob Your anger fascinates me
10/14/13 6:23 am

Not all parents, nor schools are the same

shellybaxter1234 Peaceful Place
10/14/13 6:24 am

That's true - but the law is the same pretty much everywhere

Mattwall1
10/14/13 6:26 am

Bob, I know that, that's why I said I was lucky. It would technically be assault, so they'd probably bring in the campus officers. If nothing else, doing this only helps the bully.

twss trump is a garbage human
10/14/13 6:28 am

I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished, just that I'm not going to be leading the battle cry for it.

Mattwall1
10/14/13 6:30 am

I don't know if bob's scenario is true. I definitely never tried to beat anyone up or try to get someone to do it for me. My middle school did a decent job, but my high school kind of ignored the issue, especially since much was online.

twss trump is a garbage human
10/14/13 6:34 am

Matt, I'm sorry to hear that. No one deserves to be bullied. While I'm not an advocate for vigilante justice, I can't help but empathize in the situation Bob brought up. Both sides are wrong in some way, but I understand the bullied child's side.

JustBob Your anger fascinates me
10/14/13 6:34 am

I don't know if it's true either, just something I can envision happening.

twss trump is a garbage human
10/14/13 6:35 am

Bob - just re-read your initial response. Sorry I took that completely opposite of what you intended I think...

JustBob Your anger fascinates me
10/14/13 6:11 am

The results surprise me

GrandmaALiCE For a better 2021
10/14/13 6:14 am

Which way? Did you expect more noes or more yeses?

kscott516 EB rules
10/14/13 6:36 am

I approve