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Abolitionist, this poll is pure genius.

That's assuming he existed of course. Since there isn't any proof, I'll just go with the notion he did for arguments sake.

A large majority of historians will tell you that there was a man called Jesus. That part is pretty undeniable.

There are lots of men called Jesus. Lots of Daves and Pauls too.

The only name I think that is proven is a man called crestus I believe. Since no one wrote about this " Jesus" for about 70 years after he supposedly died I find it hard to come to terms with his existence.

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Both those men were famous philosophers who were written about as well as their own writings. They taught people who went on to teach others.

Tell me how this compares to Jesus?

Jesus is a historical fact. Found in roman records. Do some study.

Jesus was a largely made up creation of men who heard second hand stories of a man who claimed to be the son of god. They took creative license to an almost fraudulent level and completed their "bible"300 years after Jesus was supposed to have died.

I believe Jesus was real but I haven't studied enough to make a strong case. I think he was an extraordinary human that became legends and myths.

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It doesn't take much study. If you eliminate the bible as a very bad biased and pretty much non-factual so called historical source you are left with next to nothing.
Tell me again how those two great philosophers are the same as made up one?

Theres a guy that says he found documents from ancient roman that say Jesus was a hoax but I don't know how credible he is or what he has, he seems nuts but here's the link for anyone who's bored uk.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11201273.htm

Historians consider the case closed. They consider the theory of a non existent Jesus refuted. According to them he existed. Was he who he claimed? I'll leave that up for debate.

I saw that Abo. Interesting read.

I'm absolutely convinced 99% of what was written about this Jesus was made up. Funny if he was so astounding, no one wrote about him till many years after his death. I just met you two and already we have shared thousands of words.

There's not a holy book in any religion that's historically accurate. The bible didn't fall out of the sky, it was wrote by drunks and sinners.

The bible is not a history book. It's not supposed to be a history book. Much of it is allegorical. The fact that a man named Jesus from Nazareth existed is historically accurate.

I don't care what you believe. Makes me no difference either way. What you believe is as about as bothersome to me as a cloudy day. :)

" what my neighbor believes neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg" -Thomas Jefferson

Nice!!!

I agree the bible isn't historical, or factual, or interesting( threw that one in)But it is violent,extremely bad philosophy that contradicts itself with the turn of a page.

Ecclesiastes is one of the greatest books ever. Actually Paul's writings are good too, the bible is a good book to read. The Christians only attached the Old Testament was to give antiquity for their new religion but the New Testament is excellent

The bible has its place among millions of books. It's when people try to make me live under this one I have a problem.
But I digress in the interest of peaceful debate.

I agree, I would hate to live in a theocracy. I would be burned at the stake real damn quick.

So the care matters on who it comes from????

How elitist of you.

How does not wanting care to come from the government make me elitist?

Private charity is voluntary. Government charity is not. Understand?

Private charity could pick up the slack then government charity will be unnecessary. But if only people would voluntarily do the right thing.
Who wants to volunteer a soup kitchen being put up in their neighborhoods?
Don't everyone jump at once.

If helping people creates dependency then how do we know Jesus didn't do it for that reason? Our government has no problem helping out Wall Street when they ask but that's called lobbying, when poor people ask, it's called asking for a handout

Government is me. I am where the power comes from. I empower the government to help others.

What do conservatives not understand about this?

Cite, they only count " We" as the 20% who own 85% of the country.

Well, there's the problem. Maybe we should create a system where that doesn't happen and where wealth distribution is more equitable.

Cite, it's not voluntary. The government is still forcing people to pay for services. Abo, I agree. Corporate welfare is the worst kind of welfare.

How to explain Social Contract Theory to people...

No such thing exists, and if it did, I would be able to overthrow the government for ignoring my private property rights.

Okay. Enjoy that perspective.

Even though I think it was meant as satire it's going a bit far

I don't think so. It's perfectly within the realm of tact.

I'm meaning more how the question was worded to be honest.

Nah. It's a fair analogy.

Matt, are you going to be on air this evening?

Yes.

I'll try to watch, at least some of it.

Wtf is Matt talking about?
LOL@ going too far.

Sounds right.

That was intended as a reply to violence's comment.

Interesting view GrammaAlice. Although, I disagree - just finished a book "Jesus and the Gospels" Dr. Craig L. Blomberg, New Testament scholar that might support that view if it's your perspective. I don't agree but see your point. Thoughtful point.

Did Jesus even intend to start a new religion? I think he was just trying to make Judaism better, rather than start a NEW religion. After he died, his followers started Christianity.

That's my opinion. However, as a non-Christian, I may be off.

Well, the man himself isn't alive to ask. I do find that one should never assign pure motives to a clever bit of PR, though.

GrammaAlice,

See my response above.