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Abolitionist October 13th, 2013 9:36pm

Do you think Jesus fed his unemployed disciples and healed the sick for free to create dependency?

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Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/13/13 5:43 pm

My poll is going to close, this sucks. I need to upgrade

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Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/13/13 3:40 pm

I'm not even off work yet and this already has 29 replies? I'll be off soon to check these replies.

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dreamitliveit IDLH
10/13/13 4:49 pm

Abolitionist, this poll is pure genius.

ishady 86451132020
10/13/13 3:00 pm

He was a con-artist of the highest caliber.
Of course he was able to fool the goat herders, but why ppl still believe this fantasy is beyond comprehension.

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ishady 86451132020
10/13/13 3:02 pm

That's assuming he existed of course. Since there isn't any proof, I'll just go with the notion he did for arguments sake.

beanD California
10/13/13 3:03 pm

A large majority of historians will tell you that there was a man called Jesus. That part is pretty undeniable.

violence Pretty hate machine
10/13/13 3:05 pm

There are lots of men called Jesus. Lots of Daves and Pauls too.

ishady 86451132020
10/13/13 3:33 pm

The only name I think that is proven is a man called crestus I believe. Since no one wrote about this " Jesus" for about 70 years after he supposedly died I find it hard to come to terms with his existence.

kscott516 EB rules
10/13/13 5:18 pm

Do you believe Plato or Aristotle lived?

ishady 86451132020
10/13/13 5:26 pm

Both those men were famous philosophers who were written about as well as their own writings. They taught people who went on to teach others.

Tell me how this compares to Jesus?

jimiscott Survivor
10/13/13 5:28 pm

Jesus is a historical fact. Found in roman records. Do some study.

ishady 86451132020
10/13/13 5:30 pm

Jesus was a largely made up creation of men who heard second hand stories of a man who claimed to be the son of god. They took creative license to an almost fraudulent level and completed their "bible"300 years after Jesus was supposed to have died.

Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/13/13 5:31 pm

I believe Jesus was real but I haven't studied enough to make a strong case. I think he was an extraordinary human that became legends and myths.

kscott516 EB rules
10/13/13 5:32 pm

Jesus was written about by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and many others

ishady 86451132020
10/13/13 5:34 pm

It doesn't take much study. If you eliminate the bible as a very bad biased and pretty much non-factual so called historical source you are left with next to nothing.
Tell me again how those two great philosophers are the same as made up one?

Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/13/13 5:34 pm

Theres a guy that says he found documents from ancient roman that say Jesus was a hoax but I don't know how credible he is or what he has, he seems nuts but here's the link for anyone who's bored uk.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11201273.htm

jimiscott Survivor
10/13/13 5:35 pm

Historians consider the case closed. They consider the theory of a non existent Jesus refuted. According to them he existed. Was he who he claimed? I'll leave that up for debate.

jimiscott Survivor
10/13/13 5:36 pm

I saw that Abo. Interesting read.

ishady 86451132020
10/13/13 5:39 pm

I'm absolutely convinced 99% of what was written about this Jesus was made up. Funny if he was so astounding, no one wrote about him till many years after his death. I just met you two and already we have shared thousands of words.

Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/13/13 5:42 pm

There's not a holy book in any religion that's historically accurate. The bible didn't fall out of the sky, it was wrote by drunks and sinners.

jimiscott Survivor
10/13/13 5:44 pm

The bible is not a history book. It's not supposed to be a history book. Much of it is allegorical. The fact that a man named Jesus from Nazareth existed is historically accurate.

jimiscott Survivor
10/13/13 5:46 pm

I don't care what you believe. Makes me no difference either way. What you believe is as about as bothersome to me as a cloudy day. :)

Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/13/13 5:48 pm

" what my neighbor believes neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg" -Thomas Jefferson

ishady 86451132020
10/13/13 5:49 pm

I agree the bible isn't historical, or factual, or interesting( threw that one in)But it is violent,extremely bad philosophy that contradicts itself with the turn of a page.

Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/13/13 5:52 pm

Ecclesiastes is one of the greatest books ever. Actually Paul's writings are good too, the bible is a good book to read. The Christians only attached the Old Testament was to give antiquity for their new religion but the New Testament is excellent

ishady 86451132020
10/13/13 5:55 pm

The bible has its place among millions of books. It's when people try to make me live under this one I have a problem.
But I digress in the interest of peaceful debate.

jimiscott Survivor
10/13/13 5:59 pm

I agree, I would hate to live in a theocracy. I would be burned at the stake real damn quick.

beanD California
10/13/13 3:00 pm

It always amazes me how liberals can't seem to distinguish between "helping the poor" and "GOVERNMENT helping the poor."

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suppressedID That is my secret Cap
10/13/13 3:06 pm

So the care matters on who it comes from????

How elitist of you.

beanD California
10/13/13 3:08 pm

How does not wanting care to come from the government make me elitist?

MisterE Conservistan
10/13/13 3:19 pm

Private charity is voluntary. Government charity is not. Understand?

ishady 86451132020
10/13/13 4:04 pm

Private charity could pick up the slack then government charity will be unnecessary. But if only people would voluntarily do the right thing.
Who wants to volunteer a soup kitchen being put up in their neighborhoods?
Don't everyone jump at once.

Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/13/13 5:00 pm

If helping people creates dependency then how do we know Jesus didn't do it for that reason? Our government has no problem helping out Wall Street when they ask but that's called lobbying, when poor people ask, it's called asking for a handout

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/13/13 5:31 pm

Government is me. I am where the power comes from. I empower the government to help others.

What do conservatives not understand about this?

Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/13/13 5:37 pm

Cite, they only count " We" as the 20% who own 85% of the country.

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/13/13 5:49 pm

Well, there's the problem. Maybe we should create a system where that doesn't happen and where wealth distribution is more equitable.

MisterE Conservistan
10/13/13 5:55 pm

Cite, it's not voluntary. The government is still forcing people to pay for services. Abo, I agree. Corporate welfare is the worst kind of welfare.

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/13/13 6:07 pm

How to explain Social Contract Theory to people...

MisterE Conservistan
10/13/13 6:24 pm

No such thing exists, and if it did, I would be able to overthrow the government for ignoring my private property rights.

suppressedID That is my secret Cap
10/13/13 3:00 pm

Stop it! You're scaring the Conservatives.

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Mattwall1
10/13/13 3:02 pm

Even though I think it was meant as satire it's going a bit far

violence Pretty hate machine
10/13/13 3:09 pm

I don't think so. It's perfectly within the realm of tact.

Mattwall1
10/13/13 3:09 pm

I'm meaning more how the question was worded to be honest.

violence Pretty hate machine
10/13/13 3:13 pm

Nah. It's a fair analogy.

GrandmaALiCE For a better 2021
10/13/13 3:29 pm

Matt, are you going to be on air this evening?

GrandmaALiCE For a better 2021
10/13/13 3:37 pm

I'll try to watch, at least some of it.

Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/13/13 3:39 pm

Wtf is Matt talking about?
LOL@ going too far.

Haplo2
10/13/13 2:55 pm

That socialist commie hippy was trying to create the nanny state of salvation so he could make himself dictator for life, just like the foreign-born Muslim nazi we all know he is. ;-)

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GrandmaALiCE For a better 2021
10/13/13 2:49 pm

Did Jesus even intend to start a new religion? I think he was just trying to make Judaism better, rather than start a NEW religion. After he died, his followers started Christianity.

That's my opinion. However, as a non-Christian, I may be off.

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GrandmaALiCE For a better 2021
10/13/13 2:50 pm

That was intended as a reply to violence's comment.

bringstheeagle Colorado
10/13/13 3:02 pm

Interesting view GrammaAlice. Although, I disagree - just finished a book "Jesus and the Gospels" Dr. Craig L. Blomberg, New Testament scholar that might support that view if it's your perspective. I don't agree but see your point. Thoughtful point.

ishady 86451132020
10/13/13 2:46 pm

Good question abo.

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EarlyBird Portland
10/13/13 2:42 pm

Clearly that's what he was doing!

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ncbuc Get Over It
10/13/13 2:42 pm

No he performed magic tricks for his disciples to make himself seem omnipotent. Just like the other messiahs of his time. He was just REALLY good at it.

violence Pretty hate machine
10/13/13 2:39 pm

Make them reliant. It sounds like a good way to spread a religion to me.

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GrandmaALiCE For a better 2021
10/13/13 2:51 pm

Did Jesus even intend to start a new religion? I think he was just trying to make Judaism better, rather than start a NEW religion. After he died, his followers started Christianity.

That's my opinion. However, as a non-Christian, I may be off.

violence Pretty hate machine
10/13/13 2:54 pm

Well, the man himself isn't alive to ask. I do find that one should never assign pure motives to a clever bit of PR, though.

bringstheeagle Colorado
10/13/13 3:04 pm

GrammaAlice,

See my response above.