Follow-up to a question I asked earlier: is it possible to be a Christian and support abortion?
If you support abortion and say you are Catholic (or some Christians) then it's grounds for excommunication.
If you're a Christian, you believe life begins at conception. I don't know how you could think it's okay to kill someone...most people who are pro-choice don't believe it's a baby, so they don't think of it as ending a life.
Sure, I don't believe abortion is explicitly mentioned in the Bible.
No, but we are called to protect life (that's in the Bible) and we believe life begins at conception. Therefore, abortion is ending life.
"Thou shalt not kill."
Life is protected but I don't see anything in the Bible supporting the notion that life begins at conception.
It is. Because I am, and I do.
Yea, I think it's possible. If you don't believe that it is a human life being ended, then I don't see a conflict between the two. And like others have said below, being a Christian doesn't mean u make all the right choices.
Yes, but all Christians are called to believe that life begins at conception. Therefore, anything after that is still life, and in abortion life is being ended.
Not if by Christian you mean "follower of Christ"
Oh, you're a follower of Christ too? How many people have you stoned recently?
Christ didn't stone anyone - have you ever read a bible? I'm not trying to be rude - I honestly don't know why you would ask that.
Based upon my understanding of God's word, it would seem to be counter to Christianity...but we must not condemn someone for their choice, we must love them like Jesus
Obama claims to be christian yet supports abortion. And blacks make up 14% of population yet are 40% of abortions. It is modern genocide.
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born."
"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,"
I don't see the reason to add the black statistic.
When PP was founded based in racism it is an important statistic.
People are confusing personal morality, and governing. You either believe in a plural form of government ours or a singular form of government Islam.
I don't see it. But it's not my call. Thank God.
No, it is not possible to claim to honor God's word and support abortion.
That's a hard one. I personally think abortion is wrong.
I see supporting abortion and choice as two different things, I think it's possible to be a Christian and support choice and still being against abortion. I pray that everyone makes the right choice and also pray they are able to live with that.
While a young Christian, I supported it out of ignorance until God led me to the truth about it and opened my eyes. So my answer has to be, "Yes, but God won't allow you to support it for long!" You have to have a heart of ice or stone to continue.
I was conflicted & confused for long time. My heart breaks for those in crisis. But Prov 8 & Psalm 139 created conflict of conscience. Then I miscarried, followed by successful pregnancy. For *me*, that ended both confusion & conflict.
I'm sorry for your loss, and I rejoice with you over the child that God used to put an end to your conflict. What a pleasure it is having you here on SoH! May God continue to bless you richly! ❤️
Well, golly gee! Thank you! :-D
What about rape?
TAG, good to hear from you, Night Owl! Rape is a sensitive subject, but my take is this: Ma'am, if I happened upon you being raped, God forbid, I wouldn't hesitate to use deadly force to stop it and save you. But if a pregnancy results from that
rape, the child you are pregnant is not guilty of any crime, and certainly not deserving of the death penalty. There is a childless couple waiting desperately to adopt for EVERY ONE of the 4,000 babies that are aborted each day in America
instead of being adopted out.
That's my answer to the "rape exception."
There are 250,000 children in the US waiting for adoption now. These are children just in CPS. There were 135,000 children adopted last year and that includes adoptions from overseas, so where are these families going to come from for the additional 1.46 million children?
A woman would also be forced to face the trauma not just for the rape, but the pregnancy & the delivery.
Good to hear from you also.
I think that's a small price to pay to avoid killing an innocent child. Not minimizing the stress and psychological effect, just balancing it against the value of a life.
Where you going to get the families to adopt all these new babies.
And I disagree about a small price to pay, a friend of mine committed suicide because it happened to her.
I would also like chapter and verse where it says you can exert your will on another person. Morality is a personal decision. When religion starts exerting its will on the people we call it the Taliban.
If you don't think that a fetus is a life, then I don't see what it has to do with what your religious beliefs are.
If you truly think that a fetus is a collection of cells, then that perception of abortion doesn't exactly contradict Christianity.
And that is a rewrite of Gods word
Yes. What one says they believe & what one does in practice can be - & often is - in conflict. The ongoing process of sanctification is that process which causes one to come face to face w/such contradictions. Surrendering our will to His, a process.
Salvation not dependent upon perfect sanctification. Salvation provides leverage against our desire to conform our will to His Nature & perfected will for our good. As we walk deeper into sanctification, our perceptions/understanding are transformed.
You can be a Christian and sin. Abortion is a sin even if society today deems it not wrong it still is morally speaking wrong in the true ruler, God
But at the same time who am I to judge? As the new pope has said
So would you agree that we can make the judgement that being a Christian and supporting abortion is contradictory, but that we cannot judge someone's salvation status.
Supporting it and making a mistake are different.
I don't think we can judge salvation, however, the Bible tells us that we will know them by their fruits. I'm still seeking revelation in regard to this.
I think I would significantly doubt the salvation of someone who openly supported Christianity and abortion. However, it may merely be a lack of information or perception as you implied, so I wouldn't necessarily call them on the salvation issue.
It is hard for me to answer this question because I am a pro-life Christian. I would argue that it may be hypocritical in my mind, but yes people are pro-choice and Christian.
Would you argue that they are true Christians? I would say not. To be Christian means to turn from sin.
Come, let us reason together. Sanctification is a process the imperfection of which does not negate Resurrection work of Yeshua. I see thru a glass darkly. As my eyes are opened via sanctification, I surrender my sin-areas to Him.
I truly believe that some liberals believe that it is the woman's right from a governmental standpoint, but from a personal standpoint they have a different belief. Sorry, for my rambling I will eventually address your question. Are they a true a
.....Christian? I don't know! That is God's decision, but I do see your logic kscott. If you are a Christian, you are a Christian in every walk in life. Therefore, if you pick and choose when you support a Christian belief, you are not only a....
Hindsight is 20/20. Now that recognize, understand & embrace reality that He knits us together in womb & breathes life into our forming life, it is no-brainer. I struggled thru that understanding for a time. I wasn't in sin. I was deceived & confused
....hypocrite, but I may question your true beliefs in God's word.
I answered sure just because I cannot judge whether or not someone is a Christian. That is God's job.
Can now demonstrate scientifically & developmentally that by time woman realizes she's pregnant, a human entity has begun life & begs for protection. Counseling abortion & miscarriage survivors further confirms spiritual reality of personhood.
We are not to judge as all of us are sinners in God's eyes but as Christians we are to turn from sin no matter how difficult. He knows we will ultimately fail but we cannot purposely sin.
Agreed. Issue then becomes, @ what point do you *recognize* disobedience in specific area? I'm accountable to repent/change direction @ point He causes me to appreciate I am in contradiction w/His will. Grace covers until "knocked off donkey."
Explicitly supporting the breaking of one of the most essential commandments? No I don't think so.
Well Christians have the second highest amount of abortions next to Catholics so I'm going to go with yes.
Catholicism is a sec of Christianity
Well they are listed as two separate things on the list of religious percentages that gets abortions.