Most Americans are ignorant of US involvement in the middle east pre 9/11.
Most Americans are ignorant ... Period
Not ignorant of our involvement. But perhaps lacking in the full recognition of the consequences of that involvement.
Maybe some of a particular age group, but I think most Americans know the big stuff. Our involvement in establishing Israel after WWII, of our involvement in Iran with the Shah, our backing of the Taliban, our deals with Egypt and the Saudis, etc.
I agree Zod. I think folks assume the US is "right" and as a nation we have a narrow world view, a flashbulb attention span, and tone deafness regarding potential consequences; and perhaps worst of all hubris about how everyone sees what we do.
I think you could have stopped the question after four words and the results would be the same ;)
And here's why I have no respect for progressives. You all assume that anyone without your particular worldview cannot possibly be intelligent.
Why debate when you can just demonize, right?
Hell, most Americans are still ignorant to the US involvement in the Middle East.
Al Qaeda was pissed off because we had troops in Saudi Arabia to deter Hussein from trying to invade them again.
Your perception is your reality. If you're young you will say yes because you WERE ignorant of previous involvements. Those of us who have been around a while aren't ignorant of the history.
The fact that you are astounded at your own ignorance doesn't mean that others were also ignorant.
This doenst sit well with me I kniw many young people who know quite a bit about the history...while many older never bothered educating themselves further than what they saw on the news because they were alive when it happened
Young doesn't equal ignorant.
That is one of the most absurd arguments I've ever seen presented.
Simply being alive makes you knowledgeable? Yeah, I think not.
I never said being young equaled ignorance but your working hard at proving my point. What makes you think that what you were told in school is more valid than the knowledge acquired by living the situation?
You are quite defensive. School isn't the only outlet for education. Actually, I never learned about the Middle east in school, everything I know I went out and researched on my own.
Aquiring all your information from a news source from over, say, 20 years ago doesn't make you less Ignorant than someone who learns all their info in a school.
Wow, talk about defensive. I'm not saying that you personally haven't done your research. But allow me the same courtesy at having lived through the developments we are discussing plus the knowledge gained over the last 30 years.
Ebola, you're the one who appears confused. Not all older folks were aware or cared about the Middle East situation.
Never said they were.
I'm not defensive at all. If you know more than me, you know more than me. Age has nothing to do with it (and there are a lot of peope who know more about this topic than me, older and younger)
With all the misinformation thrown around, it's not hard to see how people who lived through would know LESS than those who can study it objectively in retrospect, let alone inherently knowing MORE than everyone else.
You brought age in this. I don't think age is at all the case.
When I was in college at U of Texas. I took a course "Middle East in Modern Times". The professor wrote the text (3 volumes). At the time Beirut was an international banking center and the "Paris" of the Middle East.
So while you may have learned nothing of the history of the Middle East in school and had no interest in it I did and have watched it closely. So, unlike you and the shouting MrL :), I recognize the advantage of having a historical perspective.
That's great. Yet again, that has nothing to do with your age. That was you taking an active interest and involving yourself in the subject.
I counted 3 types of self-righteous in that comment.
@veritas, are you an example of that?
Well, veritas, I am from Texas, after all. ;)
Since I'm on a roll I'll add that I made an A in the course. Are facts self righteous? :)
You are making this all about you. You are not the entire American population. Apparently, you also choose not to read what I've read fully. I am very Interested in this. If every American who has lived through this took an active involvement in the subject like you have, you might have a point.
An example of what? Knowing less because I lived through something? Absolutely. I was and still am extremely misinformed about the ACA. I bought into the death panels, taking away grandma's healthcare, special waivers crap and rhetoric.
And I completely understand. I guess us Texans have that in common. Sometimes it's too much for everyone else to handle. :)
I apologize for wording my comment as I did. I did not intend to denigrate younger people and on a re-reading I see that it appears much more harsh than intended.
I think certainly that younger people can be just as knowledgeable as older about any situation. Both age groups must do their homework and there are advantages in experiencing history and in viewing it dispassionately in retrospective.
Veritas, not all of the things you mention about the ACA are false but that is another discussion. On that, I will say that we can't let the bean counters run our medical decisions
@ veratis, Inge, and MrL Do you know the hardest thing about being a Texan?
Having to put up with non-Texans?
Ebola, "living in the situation" are you? You act as if reading books and taking classes at UT (which I wish you'd not sully the name of) makes you all knowing.
Maybe Inge could use the word blind, vise ignorant...but your pompous doesn't help.
@veritas, Explaining to other people how we really are better than everybody else! They just don't get it. :)
@longhorn1, Sadly you prove that even a Longhorn can be ignorant. Hookem Horns
I love guys like you who have read some books and become experts in the field, and throw a degree around like its a flag at a football game.
I'm not going to bother anyone else on this thread...but your a fucking dick-for-face.
@longhorn1,If you had bothered to read the thread you would see that I was explaining why I made my comment which was challenged by Ing and veritas. You would also have noticed that I apologized for the tone of my original comment.
The whole discussion was about education vs experience and age. So I wasn't "throwing around a degree" out of context. I was answering an assertion that living through a period didn't necessarily trump education. Jeez
I'm a fucking dick for face? LMAO
Seriously, Longhorn1, I think we somehow got off on the wrong foot. What yr did you graduate from UT and what are you doing now? I'm in FL.
I apologize for Longhorn1. Most Texans are more hospitable.
Wow! You rock Ebola. Well said.
We was able to invade Iraq off the ignorance of the public when 9/11 happened
EB, don't mess with me today, it's Sunday, the day I act like Jesus; get drunk, and love everyone
Abo- lol! Have fun :))
EB has me cracking up again! Hehehehe.