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User123456789 May 12th, 2020 7:19pm

“Quantum mechanics has started to break down the wall that was imposed between science and metaphysics during the Enlightenment.”

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DTinCA MANA
05/12/20 9:22 pm

Gonna def read this when I’m more awake.

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User123456789
05/12/20 9:20 pm

For those who are asking, around the time of the Enlightenment and Scientific Revolution, the study of science, complete with the scientific method, replaced natural philosophy as our means of understanding how the world around us worked. Lots of proponents of rationalism and empiricism, on which this new scientific movement was based, liked to contrast provable science with “unprovable” metaphysics, arguing that science is superior and would replace it. Metaphysics, for reference, is the branch of philosophy that deals with the first principles of things, including abstract concepts such as being, knowing, substance, cause, identity, time, and space. More recently, many theories of quantum mechanics seem to be casting doubt on the sharp divide between science and metaphysics.

This question is a quote from a conversation. I in no way meant for it to be “pretentious” or anything like that and I’m legitimately sorry if it annoyed you to see if featured.

- QM

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ctskapski x
05/12/20 9:47 pm

We need more metaphysics discussions here.

I've tried to start some things before, but it never seems to take off.

@MrAmerica has better luck, it seems.

Gunfighter06 Iowa, since 1846
05/12/20 9:08 pm

Sounds like someone is just throwing out smart people words to make themselves look like a pretentious douchebag.

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User123456789
05/12/20 9:10 pm

Was it too much to expect you to be smart enough to know how to do a Google search?

User123456789
05/13/20 12:35 pm

I also explained it above. Not sure how making a poll makes me a douchebag but I’m sorry you feel that way.

jaylo Idaho
05/12/20 9:05 pm

What the hell is that question ?

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Jerbehr queens
05/12/20 8:44 pm

In college I had to take a religion class from a crackpot teacher and watch some wacky video on the subject and this was the exact website that coincided with the video

EarthMunkey The Golden Rule. Always.
05/12/20 5:45 pm

It wouldn't be metaphysics at that point to...

Cutlass473 Earth
05/12/20 4:49 pm

I was hoping there was a “Huh!?” option to select. Anyone have the Cliff’s Notes version of what this means?

bringstheeagle Colorado
05/12/20 2:38 pm

Yes it works. I’ll give it a read.

FIAT2LUX On Planet Earth
05/12/20 1:19 pm

Meh. It's one of the standard philosophical arguments in how to interpret quantum mechanics. I don't find it particularly convincing. Whether or not it's right is another matter and one which I can't answer

MrAmerica Adoring the Logos
05/12/20 12:44 pm

I think that this statement by QM is kind of profound. From a layman’s perspective, There certainly is a distinction between metaphysics and quantum mechanics. However, the discovery of quantum mechanics has made many physicists unknowingly, and knowingly make use of metaphysics to a certain extent. More so than under Newtonian physics. For instance, Werner Heisenberg even wrote a book titled “Physics and Philosophy” wherein it he argued that quantum mechanics makes use of the Aristotelian doctrine of Hylomorphism to an extent.

Furthermore, if anyone is interested, Nigel Cundy (the person who QM linked in this poll) has written some pretty good stuff about quantum mechanics, Newtonian physics, and their relation to philosophy.


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User123456789
05/12/20 6:06 pm

Another good example of quantum theory that implicitly delves pretty heavily into metaphysics: youtu.be/kTXTPe3wahc

MrAmerica Adoring the Logos
05/12/20 6:41 pm

I’ll look at that video tomorrow!

User123456789
05/12/20 12:20 pm

This poll is inspired by a conversation between me and @MrAmerica about the relationship between quantum mechanics and classical/theistic metaphysics

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User123456789
05/12/20 12:57 pm

@JulesVerne you might find this interesting

MrAmerica Adoring the Logos
05/12/20 6:42 pm

Bro, how did your poll already get 280 votes? Was it featured?

User123456789
05/12/20 6:44 pm

Yeah it was 😂

MrAmerica Adoring the Logos
05/12/20 6:47 pm

Tony is a Thomist confirmed.

User123456789
05/12/20 6:58 pm

@Tony 👀