Nearly 90% of you think the impeachment hearings will result in President Trump remaining in office. In that case, which party do you think benefits the most politically from the hearings?
As long as the rabid wing of the left is occupied and showing their a##es. It will collapse like a house of cards. But the crazies won’t be cured anytime soon. Hoo yea
Republicans, of course!! We have to remember the incumbent wins 98% of the time. In recent memory only one incumbent, a Democrat (President Carter), lost to Republican Ronald Reagan.
Now its no secret the media channels in the USA are historically pro-Liberal. They were in 2007, 2011, and 2017. And as we remember, they were so sure Clinton would win because they simply couldn’t believe a Republican could win!!
But alas, a Republican won, and right up to Trump’s inauguration the Liberals never lost hope. And thereafter for three years they still believed there was no way he could possibly hang on to the Presidency, but he did, and the Liberal press said everything bad about him they could, true or not, but given their record probably not.
So here we are with less than a year to go, and there are no sure signs a Dem has it in the bag. It may be anybody’s game but from where I sit (the john) it still looks like the ball is Trump’s for the taking.
Gerald Ford was an incumbent and lost to Jimmy Carter, George Bush was an incumbent and lost to Bill Clinton.
If the House votes to impeach, then Trump will forever have an asterisk by his name in the history books. The legacy of this awful presidency will always revolve around its scandals and even if the Senate won't remove him from office, the least we can do is stand up for the rule of law.
It’s about the rule of law and the constitution, things the Republicans don’t respect. The Democrats have to impeach this criminal and if you don’t understand that, then you probably don’t understand very much.
It isn’t helping the Democrats, and it is hurting the US. The ones benefiting are Russia and China. Since election night, the Democrats have worked tirelessly to weaken the office of the president, and to try to remove Trump. Now we are sitting with little to no defense against Chinese hypersonic weapons. We have been weakened and left vulnerable by these political antics.
Bad publicity is still publicity.
This impeachment fiasco has hurt the future presidency as it shows if they don’t like you, they will dig until they think they have something to get you on. It is a real waste of tax payers money. President Trump will not be thrown out of office.
I agree. Who will benefit the most politically isn’t the issue here. It’s about the preservation of our democracy.
It's a wash politically in my opinion. But it is something that must be done for the sake of the republic. We can't signal to future presidents that they are above the law.
We heard completely uncontested testimony that trump solicited foreign interference and exchanged national security interests for personal favors (the aid was challenged but the WH meeting wasn't even contested). There was a clear abuse of power, obstruction of justice, and witness tampering.
What Nixon did was a joke compared to this. It really is sad how the Republicans are choosing to put party over country and will bend the knee in fear of Trump's base.
Exactly. Well said.....
Democrats, this just shows republicans put
Shows republicans put party over country
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I don’t think it can be considered on that basis. Impeaching, or failing to do so, is not about the political cost or benefit, it is about honoring and upholding the constitution and rule of law. If we fail to impeach and remove a despot who violates the constitution or abuses the power of office, the entire constitution that makes doing so mandatory becomes just a piece of worthless paper.
The Republican party is destroying itself and pushing every moderate voter to the Democrats by doubling down on Trump. Whining about socialism doesn't help their cause either. Republicans nowadays think voters will ignore everything they do and just vote for them anyway because they called the Democrats socialists 😂
The Democratic party is destroying itself and pushing every moderate voter to the Republicans by trying to impeach President Trump. Whining about Russia doesn't help their cause either. Democrats nowadays think voters will ignore everything they do and just vote for them anyway because they called the Republicans capitalists 😂
Ah yes, exposing Trump's litany of felonies is totally going to make people vote for the GOP.
There's no proof he's committed any felonies. The Dems have always accused Trump of crimes and have brought zero evidence. No one believes them anymore.
He committed one openly last week when he intimidated a witness live for the world to see
this comment and the one above it just show the ridiculous division in our country. We should be looking at this not as a gain for either political party, but an overall loss for our country.
I go on Twitter and call Trump a fucking idiot every day. And there's no way in hell I'm voting Trumplican. EVER
And despite that... He will win re-election.
Nobody is benefiting... it's another wedge dividing the country for no reason other than to allow the Democrats to grandstand, to get unending media coverage, and to avoid doing anything that benefits the people of the United States!
Democrats will definitely benefit
The country & world gets to see through the hearings the level of arrogance and illegal activity by Trump and they'll get to see the Republican Senate do Nothing
2020 elections will respond with a tremendous wave of more republicans losing their elections including Trump
Stop drinking the fake news kool-aid.
You have Generals and Military Men of honor testifying against Trump
YOU.... need to turn off FOX and the other Right Wing News .... Our Country is sliding down the toilet thanks to Trump & Family
Stop drinking the Fox News koolaid. Or the Trump twitter koolaid. Because if you seriously believe this man is a reliable source when it comes to evidence that he committed a crime, then it’s too late for you.
There's no evidence he's done anything. It's all been talk.
God the stupid runs rampant
Just because conservatives won’t care about Trump’s corruption doesn’t mean moderates won’t. Dredging up the President’s crimes should help Democrats even if he remains in office.
Criminal Referrals coming soon on the FBI. agent who changed the wording in the Fisa Application.
Yes Lisa Page working with Peter Stzrok and Andrew McCabe..Criminal Referrals mean idictments against these lefties who tried a Coup' against Candidate Trump and then President Trump and it's still being attempted through asinine impeachment hearings.
Nobody wins when our government is dysfunctional.
Libertarians win. A non functioning government is the best that can happen.
Democrats are digging themselves deeper in a hole.
They know they have unelectable candidates that are outside the norm of everyday Americans; with their socialist-leftist views which align with the media, college professors, and fringe leftist democrats - so they’re desperately trying to impeach as their only hope even with mostly their own opinions.
It’ll make the RNC raise more and Trump get more powerful.
Democrats just couldn’t be rational with a conservative/moderate Democrat from the south. It was that easy! Instead they send in the clowns.
Instead they send in the clowns.
No rational American wants Democrats especially ones from California - Pelosi and Schiff “leaders” of ethics. California is a socialist and corrupt example mess of one-party democrats rule everything - and I know. I live here!
Don’t forget the two pillars of conservative thought — MacCarthy and Nunes.
What about Nunes' cow?
And the Turtle. Anyone kill it yet?
I think it’s a wash I don’t see one party benefiting one way or the other. SOH is not a good barometer for the rest of the country.
Nothing will come of it except further polarization.
Those who think he should be removed will just think so more.
Those who don't will feel justified.
Even if he is removed, just reverse those.
The hearings show just how illogical the liberals are.
It'll only reinforce the treasonous, contemptible, and craven nature of the Republican party.
The Bizzarro world of the left . Criminal indictments are coming soon. He real criminals in the Democrat party will be brought to justice
I love being an independent, because I can say both parties are full of crooks and everybody from Hillary to Trump should be in jail.
I’m more saddened by the fact that the public doesn’t care that our President is corrupt and treasonous. 😢
It was bad enough when we knew he was an undereducated money grubbing bully.
Please list his acts of corruption.
Winning the election.
I was not aware the University of Pennsylvania Wharton School of a Business graduated uneducated morons.
The last two Dem Presidents and their VP’s entered public service as middle class and left the White House multi millionaires.
Funny how that works.
Money grubbing indeed.
Not just dems, every politician in our government.
The last two Republicans went in rich, they didn’t get rich from their “public service” like the last two Dems.
You can’t possibly think that being president or vice president isn’t going to get you a higher level of speaking engagement on the international circuit after you’re done, do you? Or that your credentials for teaching international relations, policy development, negotiation, etc. Will allow you to walk into any think tank in the world? The days of George Washington going back to tend a plow at Mount Vernon are long gone… Not that that was EVER the case.
Clinton - average Joe to multi millionaire with a Foundation that was the darling of the wine and cheese progressives - until access to power went away then so did the donations - I guess the wine and cheese progressives feel all the problems are solved.
Gore - was rich, then became richer with another progressive darling “movie” and then even richer when he sold his stake in Current TV to our close allies and defenders of democracy Al Jazeera.
Then the Constitutional Law professor who has the worst record in history at SCOTUS was so self absorbed he “wrote” two autobiographies bu the time he was 45( not narcissistic at all) so he had some wealth but not hanging with Richard Branson wealth which was courtesy of Netflix.
Meanwhile, “ordinary Joe” the everyday mans man who was in public service for decades becomes a multi millionaire when he leaves.
I applaud these people on their success but also feel sorry for them as they are now part of the disgusting, hated, vilified, greedy bastard one percenters and should be ashamed to show their face in public unless they start paying their “fair share” - but alas, they are lefties so they are the good type of greedy bastards not conservatives while we all recognize as the bad type of greedy bastards.
Public service = untold wealth and opportunity to get filthy rich while railing against the filthy rich.
The Dems recruiting poster.
Yes I completely agree with you. The democrats claim to have the people at heart but they have their wealth at heart. They’re all hypocrites. However it’s hypocritical to just call one party hypocritical. Many republicans do the same thing. They all have money and corruption at heart. The businesses buy of everybody, even Bernie sanders, the “socialist” who wants to fight them.
Yes but we all know Republicans are scum of the earth one percenters - some people are just now realizing it is bipartisan.
Amen, AOC was sponsernd by a billionaire, trump is a billionaire, our government is ran by the 1% and has businesses at heart. Literally everybody is guilty. AOC, Bernie, Bush, Obama, Trump, Pelosi, give me a name and they are guilty.
Indies please see the Democrat party for what it is! Republicans suck but the Dems don’t care about you! Theey aren’t doing any work for you
Democrats are committing political suicide
Imagine that. Democrats are the ONLY ones who think they are benefiting. Willfully blind people, at least since 11/8/2016.
It is very obvious that the majority of the users here on SOH are Republicans. So, results of political questions are very skewed.
Come on man , even if you don’t like trump you can’t see the sham BS constant false allegations made by the democrats? . Is that the type of America you want ? . You have the power to vote , vote in who you think will do the job better . That is if there is anyone that wants that thankless Job.
First, I completely disagree with sham crap going on.
But, let’s not forget how the high and mighty Republicans and GOP reacted to Obama while he was in office.
Not like what’s going on now
Republicans. It just makes Democrats look so petty and spiteful.
Won’t move the needle at all, benefits Democrats more, because they will have higher turnout in 2020, then they did for Hillary in 2016, and Trump supporters will turn out with or without impeachment.
The polls already show that Republicans and Independents are far more motivated then the Dems.
First that’s not a reputable link, right wing bias, 2nd other polls don’t show that, 3rd most independents are really Trump voters anyway( so that is not surprising) and 4th I was talking about Democratic turnout which has already been proven is big, Virginia the governors races recently, 2018 etc..... as I said Democratic turnout will be bigger than it was for Hillary!
Zimmy - in most SOH polls Independents mirror Democrats; Libertarians mirror Republicans. The fact Independents voted with republicans is very telling.
You can’t win an election without the independents and moderates. Polls have time and time again showed the independents becoming more and more done with the democrats’ bs. The impeachment is another straw on the camel’s back towards pushing the independents away from the democrats, and it will hurt the democrat party.
You all are not listening, let’s try again, the Democrats turnout wasn’t good in 2016, the turnout will be much better in 2020, you don’t need the majority of independents, just a lot of them. I’m not saying Trump will lose either, I’m saying the 2020 election will be a lot closer than you believe, and Trump most definitely will not get the popular vote again! All the Democrats need to do is flip about 77,000 votes in the rust belt. Election night will be a nail biter!
I honestly expect this election to go better for the GOP than last time, because not only are the independents going more towards voting against the dems because of all the bs they’ve pulled, but many democrats are starting to get swayed, especially if someone who’s not Biden gets the nominee. Not to mention a democrat like Harris, Sanders, or Warren could very easily split the democrat vote if they keep running.
AR- I respect your opinion, but mine is this Trump( probably winning) Democrats keep the House, GOP keeps Senate, probably with a loss of a seat. Trump doesn’t get popular vote by almost 4 million, America remains divided and bitter.
Putin’s party. No Americans benefit from this circus.
Give up the “Russians control the US” narrative. 🙄
I don't believe Russia or another country controls the U.S. But I do believe some countries from Russia to the Middle East are happy when the U.S. government is in chaos.
Is that supposed to be a revelation?
It was a clarification since my first could be misunderstood.
Tom is right that Russia benefits from the chaos weakening the US. The party that benefits the most is the Chinese Communist Party. The Democrats are helping our enemies, at the expense of the US.
Our nation is not a football game. If attempted bribery is proven, and guilt goes unpunished, it doesn't matter which side wins. It matters that everyone has lost.
It wasn’t proven, hence will be cleared by Senate.
Bribery by the president even if proven would not be impeachable. Bribery of the president would.
Irrelevant since neither was proven
It is within the Presidents power to investigate potential wrongdoing.
It is within the Presidents power to negotiate with foreign leaders.
At the end of the day no matter what was done, it is only the political spin and your side of the isle that makes it right or wrong.
It’s not within his right to use the office of the presidency to pressure a foreign government to start investigations for the sole reason of boosting his election chances.
Shazam- absolutely correct! 👍
“Bribery by the president even if proven would not be impeachable”
~ malekithe, SOH user
“The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, BRIBERY, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.”
~ the US Constitution, Article II, Section 4 (emphasis mine)
Hmmmm, who is the authority in this matter? 🤔
Truth-ODS 🙄, if Obama and the Democrats were so corrupt, why wasn’t Obama ever impeached with an all GOP Congress? Because there was no evidence!
The verdict is split down party lines as to how the impeachment hearing have gone. Even if the evidence is not conclusive history shows the democrats would have voted to impeach anytime during the last three years. So, impeachment is a given. Then onto the Senate where the republican will stage their own dog and pony show that may last until election day. They definitely will Subpoena the Bidens, Schiff, Schiff’s staff. Many of the impeachment witnesses staff.
Good luck and good night.
I also heard they are talking censure instead of impeachment.
Impeachable level bribery in the minds of the framers of the Constitution referred to the President being bribed by others.
Do some research
Trump will be impeached, I think even most of the right believes that at this point. But don’t take my word for it, you will see! 😀🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿
Truth- and they are holding the vote in December, that’s really quick in investigation terms, so I don’t understand why you don’t believe that’s fast enough, the Ukraine thing only broke out, in September, this has been lightning speed, and listen to Rons he is very wise!
The dems have no choice but to impeach. What is left of their honor is at stake.
Zim, yes. They have to rush it thru. Christmas is coming and they don’t want to miss having the Christmas goose.
But I thought it now goes over to Nadler for some more work?
It will occur about the same time the DOJ and IG reports come out.
The GOP didn’t impeach Obama because they could recognize it would be a bad idea because of the problems it would cause, yeah, Obama did some bad and corrupt things, and yes they were worse than Trump’s actions. The difference is the Democrats have been whining for the past 3 years because of an election that they themselves caused the outcome of.
And yes Zimmy, because I already know you want to mention it, Benghazi caused problems as well, but not nearly as many as impeachment would.
Ar- if Obama was so corrupt and The GOP didn’t impeach him, then the GOP was clearly incompetent and didn’t do its job. It’s that simple. The House Democrats are at least doing their job.
You conveniently left out “Bribery of the president would.” from you quote of my comment, Omniku.
ARed can you please name these corrupt things done by Obama? I’m not sure what you are referring to
I didn’t leave it out conveniently... I left it it because it’s pointless. There is is no such thing as “bribery of” or “bribery by”. Under the legal definition of bribery, bribery can cut either way. In other words, soliciting a bribe qualifies under the legal definition of bribery which is expressly written into the US Constitution as a reason for impeachment.
Bribery is defined by Black's Law Dictionary as the offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of any item of value to influence the actions of an official or other person in charge of a public or legal duty.” ~ en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bribery
The framers meant bribery against the state. Impeachment is clearly not a legal proceeding. It is political
This was not bribery anyway, so your definition does not apply
Omniku can you quote the part of the constitution that explicitly states that as you suggest it does?
The founders were concerned about Treason and Bribery of a president against the state. Primarily by England.
Malek, do you have support for that idea? Anything from papers by some of the founding fathers?
It sounds very plausible but it’d be good to have support. Also does that matter rn? We aren’t under threat from England atm so I don’t see how that applies to modern times?
Read the Federalist papers and other documents and writings by those who penned the Constitution and framed our government.
Y’all should adjust for the amount of Dems vs Reps so that we get an insight into the actual opinions of the nation at large.
Or you can just go look at any political poll. I recommend fivethirtyeight.com it shows all the polls in one place it’s a great site.
This poll site is probably at least 92% right wingers. His win didn’t surprise me last time and I wouldn’t be surprised if he won again. Sometimes we get what we deserve. Yee haw.