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Show Of Hands November 21st, 2019 6:55am

Do you think President Trump will be forced from office over the Ukraine charges?

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BlackC
11/23/19 9:55 am

Obviously, he should ; but , Trumpian party have shown repeatedly wont do the right thing for the country. Its the Selfish Corrupt Party.

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OldCC A filthy commie
11/22/19 9:15 pm

No. Regardless of the evidence, the senate won't remove him from office.

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nacho1 Logic Land
11/25/19 10:32 am

You mispoke - because of the lack of evidence ....

patriot642
11/22/19 1:18 pm

Rofl. No. It’s another liberal sham. But thanks to them trumps a lock for the 2020 election.

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BlackC
11/23/19 9:56 am

If TrumpNutz shot you in the face , you would say its a libtard that did it.

lionofcroix
11/24/19 7:35 pm

Did Fox News tell you that?

nacho1 Logic Land
11/25/19 10:34 am

Common sense, logic, facts and the sham “hearings” told us all that .
Why is one little station so powerful against every broadcast network, two other cable news channels, every major newspaper, all of academia, tech and entertainment - but somehow one station is so powerful lefties can’t stop mentioning it.

BlackC
12/01/19 5:37 pm

Only kooks watch Fox .

maplelee
11/22/19 8:24 am

Democrats are using gestapo tactics to seize power. If they succeed your lives are going to get harsh quickly. These people are dangerous. You have been warned.

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BlackC
11/23/19 9:59 am

Heh Trump has a Nazis advisor in Stephen Miller and Democrats following Republican written rules and constitution . The Republicans have placed their public servant job over allegiance to constitution . Its pretty clear , even to the most knuckle dragger. He got Caught and He did it.

maplelee
11/26/19 1:44 pm

Democrats are dangerous.

BlackC
12/01/19 5:35 pm

Trump has put 500000 people into the streets .

SouthernBoy
11/22/19 7:30 am

He’s conducting diplomacy. Here’s the definition. Diplomacy you give-and-take with the foreign leader to strike a deal because they want our financial aid and we want corruption investigated. People are confusing this with common bribery. www.yourdictionary.com/diplomacy

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FitzDarcy Tre46on
11/22/19 1:49 am

This is nothing but a SchiffShow. Every one testified to their "FEELINGS" so it has been confirmed that when we Elected Donald Trump we made the Correct choice..that he was probably the ONLY one person who could withstand the onslaught of lies and hyperbole and outright slander of this twisted union between the Democrat operatives and the media. The Treason perpetrated on this country was from the DeepState the democrats and the media all because they knew Trump was a lone wolf and would not and could not be bought. If the Media was not in collusion with the Democrats this could not have happened this has been in the works for 40 years through misinformation indoctrination and politicians paid off.

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TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/21/19 10:14 pm

WHAT charges? Not a single witless was able to testify to any impeachable offense at all. The Dems have nothing.

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ARedHerring Kentucky
11/21/19 9:46 pm

He will most definitely not get pulled out of office, especially with the senate being GOP controlled and impeachment becoming more unpopular by the day

DJ13
11/21/19 9:43 pm

I read that a republican/conservative group was putting out an add calling for republicans to stand up to Trump's abuse of power.....

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FitzDarcy Tre46on
11/22/19 1:37 am

Read that on ClintonNewsNetwork?

benseth 11,780 votes
11/22/19 11:57 am

Maybe you should just watch it instead.
youtu.be/4tDlGHsqI0Y

nacho1 Logic Land
11/25/19 10:36 am

Are you the next witness for Schiff - “I read that, I heard that, I feel that, someone told me that, I think that”.
What a joke.

DJ13
11/25/19 11:47 am

Try looking at the post from benseth. It proves what I heard. You believe Trump because of what you hear him say. I believe the dozens of witnesses and what they claim...You believe the one. I believe the many.... You're the fool...

benseth 11,780 votes
11/25/19 1:36 pm

I’m surprised “I read that...” or “I heard that...” hasn’t been trademarked by Trump yet. It would give him another reason to frivolously sue anyone and everyone.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/25/19 1:47 pm

You can go ahead and believe “what I heard”, “what I thought”, “what I felt” because it is irrelevant what anyone feels, thinks or hears when it is an echo chamber.

I don’t believe just Trump I believe the Ukrainian President but to lefties he is just another lying liar.

That’s the whole case - unelected bureaucrats shut out of the process calling two elected Presidents liars.

The lefty insanity continues unabated.

DJ13
11/25/19 2:10 pm

Oh, you believe the 2 that are most likely to lie because they have the most to lose....Got it. Again, you are the fool....

benseth 11,780 votes
11/25/19 2:54 pm

Rudy is the one that started pushing the lies about Ukraine and he wasn’t elected to whatever position he’s wielding the power of.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/25/19 3:19 pm

No matter how you shake it, it all comes out the same - both participants deny it , no announcement was made, the money was delivered.

The entrenched bureaucrats told everyone how they felt, what they thought, what they think others thought and felt and how badly they were treated because they were ignored and regular channels were not employed.

They do all this as they call two Presidents liars, admit they have bias, admit they don’t like Trump, as it they are upset, admit it is the Presidents right to fire diplomats and conduct forging policy as he sees fit and admit they are hurt because they were kept out of the loop.

This is simply the Mueller fiasco all over again.
Funny how the Dems can accuses Trump of malice in the travel ban because of prior public statements but Dems calling for his impeachment before he was even inaugurated has no bearing on anything and they are only doing this out of a solemn and prayerful duty - what a joke.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/25/19 3:24 pm

I hope they impeach him and then have to go to a Senate trial where Schiff does not get to choose witness, cut off questions and get to speak first and last every day.

That will be extremely enlightening and I can’t wait but I doubt they will do it because they know just like the Russia hoax and the Kavanaugh fiasco they are turning independents into Trump voters - they will fold like the sky is falling lefties they are.

DJ13
11/25/19 4:09 pm

I hope there is a trial also. I believe if everyone with knowledge of what was going on testify fully and honestly, Trump will be shown as guilty. Rather or not the Senate votes that way and removes him is a different thing....

nacho1 Logic Land
11/25/19 10:08 pm

Sure thing - we know all the crap the left threw at him already - it has not budged anyone an inch except towards Trump- the prosecution had their moment and it was a laughable feelings fest.
Sunshine is always the best disinfectant and that’s why the vampire big eyed Schiff held hawk secret depositions in the basement and refused witnesses and cut of questions - Lysol is coming to the Dems bacteria infested mindset.

hudsondl
11/21/19 9:05 pm

Just as with Bill Clinton, Trump deserves impeachment but it is not enough for removal from office

nacho1 Logic Land
11/25/19 10:38 am

Clinton was impeached, disbarred and fined for lying under oath.

Just a friendly reminder of reality.

bubba2526 New Jersey
11/21/19 8:03 pm

I wish but it seems he may just actually be untouchable. Everyone is defending a fucking criminal and because of this I have lost faith in our system and the people of this country and I voted that he will not be forced out of office because he won’t even though he deserves to be.

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SouthernBoy
11/22/19 7:32 am

He’s a patriot that loves America. Unlike Hussain and his family who hate America. Which one are you?

bubba2526 New Jersey
11/22/19 7:39 am

I love this country and hate bigoted criminals that have brainwashed the idiots of America so I am behind president Barack Obama 110% and would love for a real patriot like Bernie or Warren to get elected next election because they actually care about this country and it’s people not just the special interest groups and private billionaire donors who donate to their campaign like trump. And I already know whatever I say you will refuse to even try to see my point of view so none of this even matters anymore. When a country has a wolf in charge and has all the sheep brainwashed to think he’s what is best for them and that he is their only hope nothing good will come from it and I think we are seeing that every day with this administration but I can’t undo the indoctrination that you fell for so like I said none of this matters. You believe whatever he want because you can brush everything you disagree with as “fake news” because that’s what your lord and savior trump does.

MTBosniak Seattle, WA
11/21/19 7:34 pm

You can’t charge or indict a president when they sit in office

benseth 11,780 votes
11/21/19 7:53 pm

That’s why they’re impeaching him. 🀦‍♂️

ladyniner81 I need chocolate
11/22/19 6:38 pm

That is the stupidest fucking law ever. I don't care which party they are, I don't want a criminal as a president. One already made me leave a party, what will this one do?

Diogenes FreeMeBe
11/21/19 7:00 pm

December 9th


Heads will roll!

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drself Gated Community
11/21/19 5:07 pm

Nope, let see what the Democrat Coyote opens up from Acme, this time.

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Zod Above Pugetropolis
11/21/19 5:02 pm

I don’t know if it will be for the Ukraine crimes alone, but I do expect those will be included in the articles of impeachment.

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joshua16 FaceTime
11/21/19 5:44 pm

@Zod I just showed about 15 people at Taco Bell your comment, and most of them agree with you too.

grego Glendale, CA
11/21/19 3:07 pm

I didn’t think the Democrats would have so much overwhelming evidence and now I think he should be after all That has been presented especially in the past three days. But I think Republicans are far to party loyal to listen to facts at this point, So now it won’t happen but I wish it would if there was justice. Either way Trump loses Because America was definitely swayed by the facts in the hearings And when Impeachment starts officially, With all of these facts, it will be very very hard to defend Trump, and that will carry into the election

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CarlAmeric Bradenton, FL
11/21/19 4:19 pm

Grego, what has been presented? I listened to every bit of it! There is exactly zero! Supposition and hearsay

DJ13
11/21/19 6:05 pm

Carl, you listen with Trumpbot ears....we understand.....

CarlAmeric Bradenton, FL
11/21/19 6:22 pm

I could give 2 shits about Donald Trump. I simply know right from wrong and a coup when I see one. You DemoRATS will stop at nothing till you destroy the country! The anti-free speech party of “ban”! You do see what is going on In Berkeley tonight don’t you? Thugs harassing others simply for different views. That is WHO you people are. Not just harass, but assault! Can’t wait for one of you to harass me again. Didn’t turn out so well last time.

DJ13
11/21/19 6:24 pm

If you agree that what Trump did wasn't wrong, then you are either a Trumpbot or you actually don't know the difference between right and wrong...

grego Glendale, CA
11/21/19 11:05 pm

-quid pro quo/bribery of Ukraine aid was directly connected to announcing Ukrainian Biden/barisma and crowdstrike investigations as directed explicitly by trump to be carried out by Guiliani and other cronies as part of a domestic campaign operation disguised as foreign diplomacy. — confirmed again AND AGAIN BY MANY TRUSTWORTHY SOURCES that all corroborate with FIRSTHAND accounts and knowledge of the players involved and the clear link to TRUMP himself. Other than that, yeah nothing to see here.

CarlAmeric Bradenton, FL
11/21/19 11:30 pm

Grego, you obviously haven’t been watching the same hearings I have! Who has the firsthand account? Which witness was that? Please tell us all! All I heard was assumptions and supposition! NOT ONE witness to a quid-pro-quo! Not one! You are brainwashed trash!!!!

CarlAmeric Bradenton, FL
11/23/19 7:46 am

You must not have seen the cross on this guy. He was asked if he was ever told there was a QPQ and he said NO! He presumed it!!!!!

DJ13
11/23/19 7:59 am

All but Trumpbots are able to decipher things without the actual words....

CarlAmeric Bradenton, FL
11/23/19 10:07 am

DJdick, as I have said, I could give 2 shits about Donald Trump! Unlike deranged liberals nuts, I am mature enough and smart enough to understand right from wrong! You, moron, don’t have that ability!

DJ13
11/23/19 6:25 pm

But, you constantly prove you DON'T know right from wrong.... In fact the only thing you seem to know is how to be angry and vulgar.... Maybe you actually aren't even an adult...

CarlAmeric Bradenton, FL
11/23/19 7:28 pm

DJdick, you are the child and you definitely have no moral turpitude! Your parents never taught you ethics nor how to separate a faux moral outrage issue from a real issue! Go back to howling like an idiot you fucking freak

DJ13
11/24/19 8:24 am

You continue to prove my point with every post....lol

CarlAmeric Bradenton, FL
11/24/19 9:33 am

How is that DJDick? Because I refuse to listen to an idiot

CarlAmeric Bradenton, FL
11/21/19 2:57 pm

What a joke! Sincerely only losers would ever be a DemoRAT! No morals, no ethics and you pretend you have them??? You have politically correct moral outrage as long as it does not affect you! If you are a DemoRAT, fuck you!! From the bottom of my heart fuck you!!

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Gradienthurdle
11/21/19 3:34 pm

There are so many things wrong with that statement that go far beyond politics.

CarlAmeric Bradenton, FL
11/21/19 4:17 pm

Really how gradwhatever? If you are a DemoRAT fuck you and the horse you rose in on!! πŸ—‘

DJ13
11/21/19 6:06 pm

Carl, your expansive vocabulary just amaze me.....lol

CarlAmeric Bradenton, FL
11/21/19 6:17 pm

Don’t you mean “amazes” dumbass? You do see the irony in that don’t you? I mean you are dumbass, but you have to see that!

DJ13
11/21/19 6:25 pm

No, I seen my mistake, but I left it to get your expected response....lol

CarlAmeric Bradenton, FL
11/21/19 6:28 pm

There you go again! It is “saw”. You do understand English don’t you Jose?

DJ13
11/21/19 6:53 pm

Fair enough on the second one. I didn't catch that one, but I'm proud of you being able to have two posts without degrading someone else with cuss words. Keep it up....

DJ13
11/21/19 6:54 pm

Oh, never mind, I see dumbass.... Well at least one....lol

CarlAmeric Bradenton, FL
11/21/19 7:38 pm

You degrade yourself with your value system! What you believe in and hold dear is just plain wrong. You have been lied to to the point that you can’t tell what real values are! You have been brainwashed from an early age. Free speech is normal! Eating meat is normal! Capitalism is normal! Defending one’s family is normal! Being a sovereign nation with borders is normal! Not wanting to destroy our very economy over a climate hoax is normal!

DJ13
11/21/19 8:40 pm

You and all other Trumpbots are the ones that have believed all the lies from Trump and have been brainwashed to the point of not realizing what's true. The Trump administration has brought us "alternative facts" and "the truth isn't the truth" and you Trumpbots have soaked it all in like sponges....

CarlAmeric Bradenton, FL
11/21/19 11:27 pm

As I said, I could give 2 shits about Donald Trump. I know right from wrong and the DemoRAT party does not represent American values! As far as Trump lies, please! If Trump says the number is 5.5 and the number is actually 5, they call that a lie! I don’t know how the man takes the constant attacks! I will take Donald Trump any day over the loons running for President on the left. We would never, ever recover if they are elected. Their socialist, ney, communist policies will truly destroy the country! The party of “ban”! Fuck every one of you!

Appellplatz77
11/21/19 2:56 pm

This user is currently being ignored

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Diogenes FreeMeBe
11/21/19 7:02 pm

December 9th.

timeout Boston Strong
11/21/19 2:14 pm

He should be and not only for the Ukraine charges, there’s enough in the Mueller report alone as he himself said but wouldn’t do...if this president is allowed to get away with his blatant abuse of power this country is in sad state and will take decades to recover. There’s a reason why general Mattis, general Kelly and many of the White House staff have left...they know this is a bad president and he should go but sadly that probably won’t happen bc a president that lies obstructing justice and bribing a foreign power to get dirt on a political opponent are now the norm. Yes I listen to the hearings and read the transcripts and there’s no doubt in my mind that this president is guilty.

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ccc1 Georgia
11/21/19 11:54 am

The Democrats main guy Sondlond and he stated that he PRESUMED a lot of crap but then he never heard in Anything that Shiff has proclaimed. In fact what he heard was the exact opposite of what’s being said.

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polarized Tennessee
11/21/19 1:34 pm

Lol dude he was your guy up until yesterday. What world are you living in??? He gave a million to Trump πŸ˜‚

MrsCrayonWax
11/21/19 2:06 pm

He’s living on the flat earth.

polarized Tennessee
11/21/19 3:58 pm

I honestly respect flat earthers more at this point. Even though most move in the same circles.

CarlAmeric Bradenton, FL
11/21/19 6:30 pm

Polarized you can’t live a very happy life living in my beloved Tennessee. I should have my 23 year old, blackbelt daughter come whip your ass. I am sure it wouldn’t take much. She is all of 5’5 and 110 lbs, but something tells me she would put your lights out in 30 seconds

polarized Tennessee
11/21/19 6:33 pm

Lol alright man. Have a great life btw. Go take your meds boomer and chill the fuck out.

CarlAmeric Bradenton, FL
11/21/19 6:36 pm

Last year of the BB was 64 dumbass! Fucking pussy.

CarlAmeric Bradenton, FL
11/21/19 6:37 pm

Learn English Jose! Fucking moron!

polarized Tennessee
11/21/19 6:38 pm

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CarlAmeric Bradenton, FL
11/21/19 6:40 pm

Good to see you are not afraid to post your portrait! Good likeness I am sure

GoTigers South Carolina
11/21/19 11:51 am

Democrats are desperate to slime President Trump with the help of the complicit media. They have no interest in America’s well-being. They crave only power. They will be punished at the polls in 2020.

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Gradienthurdle
11/21/19 3:36 pm

Well November will tell which way all this falls. But either way the president sank himself and he is the only one he and you should be blaming.

CarlAmeric Bradenton, FL
11/21/19 6:34 pm

Landslide electoral college win for Trump! There are more normal people than you think! Too many to fall for the bullshit of the crazy left! Yeah let’s raise taxes! Yeah let’s live in fantasy land of Medicare for all! Yeah let’s destroy the economy over climate change even though we lead the world in reducing pollution and emissions! Yeah let’s tax meat and ban guns! While we are at it, let’s limit free speech! Let’s see how all that goes in 2020!!!

commonsense America isnt racist
11/21/19 11:08 am

No. There is simply zero evidence that he committed any wrong doing.

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suppressedID suck it Kyle
11/21/19 2:14 pm

Except the transcripts, eyewitnesses, and his own admission.

Lbankman
11/21/19 3:19 pm

say no to crack

commonsense America isnt racist
11/21/19 5:19 pm

You're insane. The transcript?!?
Did you read it?

Sorry, but it's all a fantasy made up by the Dems because they want to remove a legitimately elected president. Cause Orange man bad.

benseth 11,780 votes
11/21/19 9:59 am

To get Trump elected president, his supporters pushed the idea that he was going to be different and change how government was run, especially in the area of corruption and America First (our country’s swamp). Now, the only defense that his supporters can muster is that his actions are in line with how other politicians have acted before him and that he was just trying to drain the swamp in some other country. This weak defense is obviously not true and is contrary to what was said before the election. This is what is called a “bait and switch” and is a very common tool of hucksters trying to foister well meaning Americans.

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DJ13
11/21/19 10:06 am

True. And well said...

Ebola007 Florida
11/21/19 11:29 am

He’s doing what we elected him to do and his supporters. Including me, couldn’t be happier. Continue with your convoluted rationalizations trying to explain what others think and you’ll continue to lose. You might do better to try to explain your own motivations in acting to work against out democracy and our duly elected president.

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nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 11:30 am

The defense is he did nothing wrong - and he didn’t.
What he has done is what he promised - for bureaucrats in the FBI, CIA, State Dept, UN, Diplomatic core etc. mad because he doesn’t conform to their “norms”, he sets the policy agenda not them and he exposed the unholy and corrupt alliance the entrenched bureaucracy has with the left.
It is exactly what he said he would do and that’s why you try to diminish it - because he has been successful in doing it.
So far the lost of those trying to eat Trump but eaten by their own include Strzok, Page who are exposed as corrupt lovers and haters of the deplorables, the liars Comey, Brennan and Clapper who spied in Congress, Schiff the moron dictator and Clinton whose altruistic life altering globally important Foundation is somehow no longer worthy of donations and of course the “me too” sham that got so many other lefties Franken, Weinstein, Schniederman, Lauer, etc etc.
That why lefties are mad.

Ebola007 Florida
11/21/19 11:52 am

True, nacho, and we’ll said.

benseth 11,780 votes
11/21/19 12:17 pm

Well then, how has he changed anything? It definitely looks like politics as usual to me, with the only difference being that he has an R next to his name.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 1:55 pm

He’s been playing defense against the politics as usual TDS Dems.

Hearing after hearing about nothing. Being called unconstitutional by those who supported the multiple unconstitutional actions of the last President.

Things have changed - it’s okay to call fellow American citizens Nazis - we started as deplorables and have graduated to Nazi - It’s okay to defend and expand the rights of illegal aliens over the rights of US citizens, it’s okay to make stuff up and put into the record because the “just” of what you paraphrase is true, it’s okay to cry for impeachment the day after the election not even waiting for the inauguration - things have changed - the left changed them - go ahead and argue its for the better.

benseth 11,780 votes
11/21/19 2:45 pm

Nice excuse. I’m sure you’re old enough to know that all of those things you’ve mentioned existed before Trump, as did constant hearings and pressure on the president by the other party. This president has changed nothing for the better as far as corruption and national political sentiment and I would obviously argue that he’s made it worse. Our tribal two party system is destroying our country and you seem to be enjoying the ride. If any other person of any other political party or position did anything close to what Trump did with Zelensky, they’d be arrested and thrown in jail. I agreed in the past that Hillary should have been tried for things she did because she’s not above the law and I have no party allegiance. Could you say the same for Trump?

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benseth 11,780 votes
11/21/19 2:46 pm

And it’s “gist” btw.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 3:05 pm

Spell check

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 3:11 pm

I don’t think Hillary should be tried for anything - we have already heard she was innocent and every grandmother uses bleach bit and hammers to destroy their electronic devices - that’s old news.
The tribalism you speak of is a product of the left - Bush lied people died, Trump is a Russian agent, if you don’t agree with Obama you are obviously a racist etc etc. - no conservative fakes hate crimes and blames liberals, no one in a Hope and Change t-shirt was ever physically assaulted by a cheering public, no liberal has ever been harassed in a restaurant with their family or had a mob pace outside their home chanting slogans.
The left owns the tribalism - any one with any objectivity can see that.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 3:13 pm

You are right that I am enjoying the demise of the Dems as a serious political party - their candidates are a joke and that’s why they need to impeach - because he will win if they don’t, they know it and so does anyone with any common sense.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 3:34 pm

And no - no one called fellow Americans Nazis and claimed they were running concentration camps on our border before TDS inflicted formally normal people into dong and saying stupid things.

As a nice aside lefties keep demonstrating their moral hypocrisy by getting caught publishing pictures of kids in Obama’s cages and blaming Trump and being outraged with screaming headlines and lead news stories that 100,000 kids were in detention until they food out that was Obama’s number then it became not noteworthy at all and ignored.

So yes I do enjoy seeing lefties get caught lying and being hypocrites.

Gradienthurdle
11/21/19 3:53 pm

Just like those on the right did with Clinton. He got a blow job and lied about, but the issue was he “lied”. Just for full disclosure I feel lying is a much worse offense. Yet trump can not put together a truthful statement any time he opens his mouth, much like every other politician. However this time, he got caught. Seems to be a pretty bipartisan process when you compare this and the Clinton impeachment’s with both underlying pretenses of.....wait for it.......no.......the president lied about.......! Oh and your statement about how the “system” is against the president, guess what. That same system that the president and his supporters stated was he would win the popular and lose the general college. But it was the system that got him elected and now the system is doing it job because he is unfit for the office.

benseth 11,780 votes
11/21/19 4:05 pm

You’re living in a fantasyland if you believe all of that, nacho. Now you don’t want to try Hillary because your dear leader is doing the same things she did. If he wasn’t a corrupt politician going into the White House (which he was), he sure changed into one when he got there.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 4:54 pm

So no substantive response to anything.

The charade is a charade and you just gloss it over - you keep bringing up Hillary and accuse the right of being obsessed by her - how silly.

No response to the idiotic media caught lying about cages and the detained kids being Trumps issue.

No substantive argument that at no time in American history did politicians call others Nazis and accuse them of running concentration camps - even when a lefty Dem President actually interred US citizens in camps.

The facts are the facts and facts not opinions are the the only thing that matters.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 4:57 pm

Clinton was caught lying under oath and was disbarred, paid a fine and impeached for it.
When did Trump lie under oath?

When did partisan Republicans take over the ABA and institute the rules that led to Clinton’s disbarment? Nice try to blame the consequences of his lies on the right - it was his fellow lawyers that fined him and disbarred him.
The comparison is ridiculous and typical for TDS patients.

benseth 11,780 votes
11/21/19 6:05 pm

I never said anything about you being obsessed with Hillary. I’m the one that brought her up. There absolutely have been times in the past where Americans have called other Americans nazis and communists; the first few decades of the 20th century were chock full of that. And Trump absolutely did put in place policy to detain and separate children on the border. He admitted it himself. It makes no difference that Obama detained immigrants too. I was against that as well but I understand that the situation has gotten bad and some undesirable things might be unavoidable for any president. But Trump was using that policy as a bargaining chip with the democrats and that’s what I found DEPLORABLE - not because I’m a democrat and that would weaken their bargaining power, but because it’s petty political games that I consider to be immoral regardless of party.

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Diogenes FreeMeBe
11/21/19 7:07 pm

December 9th is judgment day. Criminal indictments will be deafening. The Koup Klux Klan will be revealed.

benseth 11,780 votes
11/21/19 7:49 pm

Oh and Trump hasn’t lied under oath because he won’t allow himself to. He has to go under oath first.

Ebola007 Florida
11/21/19 8:13 pm

@benseth

So you have nothing. Got it.

benseth 11,780 votes
11/21/19 8:21 pm

Lol. What was I supposed to give you? And what makes you think that you don’t “have nothing”? You haven’t made any kind of clear point in years.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 8:29 pm

So the score is lying under oath - Clinton 1 - Trump - 0.

The score for times being overruled by SCOTUS:
Obama 96 losses in eight years - Trump 16 losses after 3 years.

Sure looks like one administration is smarter than Clintons and far more constitutional than Obama’s.
But facts aren’t important - it how you feel and those two made lefties “feel good” so they must have been better.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 8:33 pm

Can you point to me an example where an elected politician called another one a Nazi and accused them of running concentration camps?
Then please give me an example of a lefty being assaulted for wearing a Hope and Change t-shirt.
Then lost all the times lefties have been shooter down at speeches and am elected conservative asked mobs to “get up in the face” of people and let them know “they are not welcome here”.
Then please lost the number of fake hate crimes conservatives blamed on liberals.
When you are done all that the we can discuss how the left’s reaction to Trump is normal and been done lots of times before.
Thanks - look forward to your examples.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 8:40 pm

So you find it deplorable Trump was using separation as a bargaining chip to get Dems to vote for something they already approved (wall funding) but just upsetting Obama was doing it just for the sake of doing it, it had no policy goals attached - there was not ever a need we have been told by illegal immigrant enablers.

benseth 11,780 votes
11/21/19 8:46 pm

Once again, I’m not a democrat. I’m not going to stand up for them if they’re corrupt either. And I’m not going to search out for your increasingly specific examples. Get over yourselves and try to finally think for yourselves.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 10:21 pm

So you won’t give examples because there are none - why not say that instead of cowering behind baseless charges - for a person who continually says they are not a Dem you certainty take on the exact same characteristics of them.
Mark another win for common sense, facts and logic and another loss for baseless accusations that lack merit, facts or any type of supporting evidence.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 10:30 pm

You have got to be kidding with those references - what ridiculous tenuous connections to Trump that are made to connect them and blame them on Trump.
The connections to Trump in the stories are laughable - that’s what poses as journalism to the people who think FOX is a propaganda machine - what a joke.
A shining moment of leftist “journalism”.

Meanwhile not one fake hate crime trying to blame liberals.
Not one liberal speech shut down.
Not one liberal assaulted for wearing a Hope and Change t-shirt.
Not one liberal hounded out of a restaurant.

Hate is the provenance of the left and they proudly say it everyday in the media, on social media and in Congress. The deplorables and irredeemables are not to be taken seriously - they are cult members who have zero intelligence.
What a running joke the resistance has become.

CarlAmeric Bradenton, FL
11/21/19 11:35 pm

Nacho, I can’t wait for the FISA report! There are people finally going to jail for the heinous crap they pulled! This will engulf Brennan, Comey, McCabe and a few others if there is any justice!!!

nacho1 Logic Land
11/22/19 1:15 am

No jail - we are not vindictive lefties - the exposure is enough for me then they can join the confirmed liar who spied on American citizens and Congress and bold faced lied about it to Congress as a “respected international affairs representative”.
Or perhaps they can join the CNN resistance with their star reporter who will be remembered for showing the wall and the lack of criminality around it while not realizing he was just confirming that walls work - that’s their star.

CarlAmeric Bradenton, FL
11/22/19 1:25 am

I disagree! If we had FBI officials forging or changing information to spy on Trump and just plain citizens, they must go to jail!!

CarlAmeric Bradenton, FL
11/22/19 8:59 am

What the fuck are you talking about dumb fuck!

nacho1 Logic Land
11/22/19 9:11 am

Nice try - a 75 year old man confronts a protester at a rally, another agitator protester at a rally complains they were treated badly.
All your examples are agitators looks for trouble, finding it and then whining about finding the trouble they sought.

What a joke trying to connect and compare them to the assaults of people standing in the street minding their own business and are assaulted for wearing a hat.
Or kids waiting for their school bus smeared and denigrated by the National press for wearing a hat.
Or being spit on for wearing a hat. Or having a fake noose attributed to you, or a fake assault, or burning down a church and blaming it on Trump.
Stop trying to equivocate the sanctioned political violence supported and encouraged by elected Dems.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/22/19 9:15 am

Any idea when your crack research will demonstrate liberal speeches being shut down, when conservatives build safe spaces and posted trigger warnings to counter a speech, when security is required to escort a liberal speaker thru a throng if angry conservatives to make a speech?

Any idea when your crack research team will find fake hate crimes, fake nooses, fake threats, fake assaults of those nasty conservatives in peace loving liberals?

benseth 11,780 votes
11/22/19 9:17 am

That’s a sample of the cases where the person committing assault blamed Trump for their actions. I know you’ll say “that doesn’t look like anything to me” but I’m still going to show you just in case you get a clue one day. Then you can look back and see that your buddy Ben was really trying to let you know what’s going on.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/22/19 9:48 am

Blamed Trump as a defense - you are being intentionally disingenuous by comparing agitators that go to rallies to protest looking for trouble and finding it with people standing on the street minding their own business and being assaulted for wearing a hat.
I know it’s difficult for TDS patients to admit but there is a substantial difference i the two scenarios and by trying to equate them my good buddy Ben is just demonstrating his consistent ignorance.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/22/19 9:51 am

How’s the fake hate crime research going?
Same pace as the research into conservative safe spaces and trigger warnings.
Not quite as quick as the research into liberals having their speeches shut down by conservative protesters probably not just as thorough as the research into conservatives fighting cops the day after Obama was elected.

benseth 11,780 votes
11/22/19 10:02 am

Once again, I’m not a liberal nor am I an apologist for them. Once again, I vote almost only for republicans in local elections. I just understand that Trump is neither conservative nor good for our country and that the two party system is creating a tribal political climate on both of the two sides. I’m also an advocate for stamping out corruption. But I know, especially through my work, that republicans and democrats continuously play dirty politics for their party while also saying that the other party plays dirtier than their party so they can rationalize their trashy actions. So, I’m guessing that I’m somewhat like you (only maybe a little more on the moderate side of conservative) but I just haven’t completely broken inside and succumbed to the hatred and vitriol. I pray for you people regularly that this spell will be broken before a huge backlash happens and our country crumbles away and liberals take complete control.

πŸ‘

CarlAmeric Bradenton, FL
11/22/19 10:10 am

I have! I hate and loath DemoRATS! DemoRATS have no morals. Trump has been great for the country! It is the other side that have lost their minds!!

benseth 11,780 votes
11/22/19 10:16 am

I’m not sure when I gave in to your demands of providing you with information. Do your own work.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/22/19 10:20 am

The only reason Trump is not “good for this country” is because of the lefty freak out and demagoguery of anything Trump.
Objectively and factually he has been very good for this country - lowered taxes, made the rich pay their “fair share” with the SALT reforms, made NATO pony up cash as per their commitments, made everyone knew that expanding rights for illegal aliens will no longer be tolerated and they are not welcome here unless they apply their the legal channels, negotiated the release of multiple US citizen hostages, the policies have increased employment and wages for minorities and women and new trade deals will hopefully fix the current imbalance.
Only TDS patients think he is not good for the country - if a Dem accomplished that in three years Mt Rushmore would be getting an addition.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/22/19 10:21 am

I have done my work and there are not any examples.
That’s because it is one sided and that’s a fact TDS patients refuse to accept.

benseth 11,780 votes
11/22/19 10:22 am

You’ve all lost your minds, democrats and republicans. You’re all really dragging our country down and I wish you’d all just take a deep breath and take it easy for a while. Maybe you’d be okay with Pence taking over? He’s not perfect but his actions are driven by Christian ideals, way more than I can say for Trump.

benseth 11,780 votes
11/22/19 10:24 am

No, Trump is bad for this country because he’s a bad person. Period. You’re dragging us down, buddy. Goosfraba for a little bit, please.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/22/19 10:29 am

Unlike Carl I don’t hate lefties - I rather enjoy them.
There can’t be anything funnier than Fredo Cuomo trying to prove you can hear a phone conversation not on speaker on live TV and failing.
There’s nothing better than reliving the hilarity of election night.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=RdgewCeLtrU

Or the Messiah making another prediction he was wrong about.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj3sQZvEs_Y

Of course it would not be complete without a view of the smug elites
crying their eyes out.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=do8yfcNDVJQ

I love lefties - they are hilarious.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/22/19 10:31 am

A bad persons does not equal a bad President anymore than a good person equals a good President - Carter and Obama are great examples.

benseth 11,780 votes
11/22/19 11:51 am

Well in this case it does. He’s a terrible person and an even more terrible president. Have fun with your tds (Trump deification syndrome) and trolling liberals.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/22/19 6:43 pm

It is not trolling when it is fact based - it is correcting the delusional record.
Bad people can be good leaders and good people can be bad leaders.
Objectively and factually Trump is not a bad President - the facts s d data speak for themselves and the unhinged freak out by lefties just shows how good he is for the US citizens and the country - not so good for illegal aliens and their enablers, the entrenched bureaucracy, “woke” progressive student agitators, Antifa, Obama’s legacy, the UN cash cow, Palestinian terrorists, China, Iran and the globalist appeasers.

So if you are keeping score Trump is good for the US and bad for our enemies and those who seek to take advantage of our historic generosity. No wonder the left is upset.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/22/19 6:49 pm

Unlike libs I don’t think of politicians as a deity.
I easily and often admit Trump is a narcissist, reactionary, juvenile, uncouth and has many other character flaws.
That’s not deification, that’s reality and my support is based on policy and facts - nice try to pin leftist dogma and deification of their leaders on me - we will call it yet another swing and miss.
Same old, same old.

benseth 11,780 votes
11/22/19 8:41 pm

Wow your mind is so tortured. I hope the liberals are at least paying rent to live in your head.

CarlAmeric Bradenton, FL
11/22/19 8:46 pm

No, we are living in YOUR head, you liberal fuck!!

nacho1 Logic Land
11/22/19 10:24 pm

Nice try - you accuse me of treating Trump like a deity because we just came off 8 years of the Messiah where any disagreement was verboten.
Liberals live exclusively with liberals - they can’t live in my head - too many facts to make it hospitable for them.

Please grab a bag of ice and put it on your brain as it has been beaten to a pulp once again - by facts and logic.

How did that Russian collusion Mueller hoax turn out for you?
Any mea culpable yet on how massively wrong you were?
Of course not - like good TDS patients you just shifted gears and started on another hoax.
The same old same old - TDSS suppositions beaten down by facts and logic - it really is getting old to bet the same old TDS lefties day after day after day- get some help please - its become boring.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/22/19 10:26 pm

I know, I know, you are a moderate who supports conservative so you are not a lefty- you just talk like one, denigrate like one, are suffering from TDS like one and most of all have been beaten to a mental pulp like one.

benseth 11,780 votes
11/24/19 7:50 am

Yes. I am a moderate that votes mostly republican. And if you took anything I said as being “denigrating”, then you are THE most delicate ❄️.

CarlAmeric Bradenton, FL
11/24/19 8:16 am

Ben, you are NO Republican! If you are, change parties!

benseth 11,780 votes
11/24/19 8:23 am

No, I’m not a republican. And neither are you; you’re a trumplican. I am proudly not affiliated with either of the two major political parties. It takes a weak mind to always succumb to binary thinking.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/24/19 9:41 am

“Lost your mind
Your dragging us down
Your mind is tortured”

“I never denigrated you”

Acts like a lefty
Talks like lefty
It’s a lefty

nacho1 Logic Land
11/25/19 10:07 am

So calling you of for your BS, showing you that you are full of BS makes me a snowflake - why keep denying your leftyhood when you keep demonstrating solid lefty characteristics?
Just accept it - you are Pelosi.

Keep at it - denigration is the go to lefty move when facts and logic overwhelm them - don’t be embarrassed, lefties will accept you, they are tolerant and understanding, just don’t wear a red hat.

benseth 11,780 votes
11/25/19 1:34 pm

πŸ’© whatever you say, pal.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/25/19 1:49 pm

Caught being a hypocrite so with no answer and no defense it does a slow death - just like the Russian collusion hysteria and the sham impeachment fiasco.

Stop denying your rightful place among lefty hypocrites.

benseth 11,780 votes
11/25/19 2:43 pm

Have fun with your delusions, nacho. πŸ‘‹πŸΌ

nacho1 Logic Land
11/25/19 3:31 pm

Delusion?
I said the Mueller hoax would result in nothing - you believed he was guilty and be shown to be a traitor - who is delusional?

I said the Kavanaugh fiasco was built on a house of cards and then what’s her name with two front doors lawyer says - it was all about abortion - who was delusional then?

I said tax cuts went to 80% of Americans, lefties insisted they only went to the rich - who was delusional?

I said Trump can get hostages home and the left said it was a waste of time and effort- who was delusional?

I said Trump economic plan was god for the country - lefties said it will lead us into a global recession - who was delusional?

Just get over it - you are a delusional lefty - accept it, don’t run from it, you have lots of company.

CarlAmeric Bradenton, FL
11/25/19 6:41 pm

No one would ever be your “pal” shithead!

benseth 11,780 votes
11/25/19 6:52 pm

You ever think about anger management, Carl? You’re really not helping the optics that Trump supporters are hateful and driven by emotions and outrage.

CarlAmeric Bradenton, FL
11/25/19 7:29 pm

I could give 2 shits about Donald Trump! I simply know Em right from wrong and have the ability to think for myself! You, dumb fuck, do not! You and your kind need the fuck beat out of you just for being so fucking stupid!

nacho1 Logic Land
11/25/19 10:03 pm

Hateful is the provenance of TDS patients and their media enablers- always has been, always will be.
It is an embarrassing moment in history but will be buried in obfuscation like the racist disgusting actions of the Democrat President that interred USED citizens based on race - and he remains a lefty hero - hate has always been the left’s calling card.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/25/19 10:16 pm

Have we settled on who is delusional yet?
The one who predicted everything right or the one who predicted everything wrong?
Lefties and TDS can run but they can’t hide from the three year delusion where every single prediction from Trump will never win since has been wrong.
The beauty of being part of the resistance is never having to admit you were wrong.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/26/19 8:21 am

Crying is for the delusional - the ones who have been consistently wrong about everything - does that sound familiar to you?
Only a tried and true TDS patient could be wrong about everything and call the ones who are right delusional - chalk another win up for facts and logic and another loss for TDS patients.

It was a a nice try at deflection though.

benseth 11,780 votes
11/26/19 8:33 am

I guess you aren’t done yet. Get it all in while you can. This catharsis should help you get through the next several years of blowback. Have a great day!

nacho1 Logic Land
11/26/19 8:38 am

So no “I was wrong on everything yet”- you keep making the case for your Dem party membership while denying you have the perfect mindset to be a lefty leader.
When you get caught in a verbal conundrum claiming the ones who are consistently right are delusional and the ones who are consistently wrong are normal - well I can’t help you, only lefty land understands that logic.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/26/19 10:07 am

Which “several years of blowback” are you referring to - the Pocahontas Presidency, the Millionaire Socialist Presidency, the Rosa Parks Harris Presidency, the Spartacus Presidency, the Good Billionaire Presidency, the First Gay Presidency it is there a knight in shining armor coming to rescue us from the record high wages, employment and stock market that we have been suffering through?

benseth 11,780 votes
11/26/19 12:08 pm

You sure have an obsession with feeling like you’re right, don’t you. You need constant reassurance that you’re right and the “other” is wrong? If you tell me that this administration is just politics as usual, then I’ll concede that you’re right. But if you just continue to play partisan politics, I will continue to think of you as being wrong.

benseth 11,780 votes
11/26/19 12:22 pm

And as far as the blowback, I have no clue how bad it will get. But I do know from my dealings in the political arena that the pendulum tends to swing as forcefully in the other direction as it was pushed in the opposite direction. This administration is pushing very hard while also consolidating more power to the executive. If a true socialist is the result of the blowback, the more power for the president could destroy our country as we know it. The problem with trumplicans is not that they advocate conservative policy, it’s that they don’t think about the future in their scorched earth approach to politics. The blowback is going to be real and most of us will not like the direction it goes.

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nacho1 Logic Land
11/26/19 12:54 pm

I don’t always think “others” are wrong - but when facts and the historical record shows them to be wrong it would be nice if they could actually admit it, alas, TDS does not allow for that.

You are correct about blowback - that’s exactly how Trump for elected, as far as scorched earth does TDS make you that tone deaf - two years of scorched earth with Mueller, three years of scorched earth with Nazis, fake hate crimes, assaults on red hats and sanctioned public harassment and the scorched earth Kavanaugh debacle and now this scorched earth impeachment sham.

TDS patients are scorching the earth with their feeble, unending attacks in coordination with their media enablers who whitewash the Obama era and try to blame numerous things on Trump and when it turns out it was Obama, a media embargo for reporting it is instituted.
Scorched earth indeed for the party of hate and intolerance and their TDS sycophants.

CarlAmeric Bradenton, FL
11/26/19 1:12 pm

Benshit, he is right! You are the one that is delusional

benseth 11,780 votes
11/26/19 4:55 pm

Lol, excuse me if I don’t care about your worthless opinion, Carl.

benseth 11,780 votes
11/26/19 5:02 pm

And I absolutely agree that Trump is a product of a blowback and I understand the ultimate reasoning behind it. But it’s just not working. How long will we exchange blows and keep pushing the pendulum? If we could all compromise, we might be able to get the pendulum back in the middle and stop being such a bipolar nation. We could get most of what we want all the time instead of all of what we want for a term or two and none of what we want for the next term or two.

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nacho1 Logic Land
11/26/19 8:27 pm

I agree - we all want the rich to pay their share and with SALT reform they do, we all want minorities to have better wages and more jobs and they do, we all want NATO to start to pay their fair share and they do, we all want US citizens to be the priority for our social programs and most of us want to have secure borders so we know who is coming and going.

The majority of the country does not want a wealth tax, free college and healthcare for illegal immigrants, they don’t want Iran to get a bomb, they don’t want India and China to build five coal plants for everyone we shut down, they don’t want us to pay China to stop polluting when they deem it is feasible for their economy, they don’t want NK to have a nuke, they want trade deals that benefit Americans, they don’t want to be the worlds policeman anymore and they don’t lie to be lectured by the UN about how we have a racist society.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/26/19 8:31 pm

The blows are being delivered by the deep state entrenched bureaucracy - be it the FBI and their obvious bias on display by Strzok or diplomats mad because they were shut out of a process and their advice were not followed to a T.
Not one of them were elected and that’s the difference.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/26/19 8:39 pm

If you feel there we blowback for the “you didn’t build that”, deplorables, clinging to guns and religion and the cops acted stupidly - imagine the blowback for Nazis, fake hate crimes, public assaults on red hats and vilification as cult members.
That’s the whole campaign right there.

CarlAmeric Bradenton, FL
11/26/19 10:43 pm

Suck my cock benshit! You are so fucking stupid it is a wonder you can dress yourself! I fucking loath you people!

benseth 11,780 votes
11/27/19 4:37 am

I actually agree with everything in your first response there but then you followed it up with conspiracy theories and partisan rhetoric with the next two. We all want the same things in our country, whether we say it or not. We all know that there’s something wrong with how our country is functioning, whether we say it or not. But if you’re really concerned about nepotism with the Bidens or that there are unelected bureaucrats with power assigned to them, then you would also be unhappy with the inexperienced Kushners and unelected Rudy.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/27/19 4:54 am

So you don’t think the bias Strzok obviously held affected the investigation in any manner?
You believe despite the constant denigration of Trump and his supporters never influenced anyone?
Study after study has found that the public services leans heavily left as that is their biggest enablers and supporters of the power of good government.

It’s not a conspiracy theory to examine facts and come up with the logical conclusion that there has been push back by bureaucrats who don’t believe Trump is qualified and fully supported his opponent and are told every day by the media he is a “danger to democracy” and unworthy of their respect.

Come on, you are almost there - just use the logic that got you this far.
It does not have to be a conspiracy and I never suggested that - it is multiple people working towards the and goal at the same time independent of each other but helping the “resistance” each in their own way.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/27/19 4:56 am

I never said I was concerned about Biden, it obviously stinks but is legal to gain from nepotism.

The President can appoint whoever he wants - those he trusts as the leaks and lies have shown there is a reason he keeps a small inner circle.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/27/19 5:16 am

So if I understand you correctly - the blowback from Obama and his comments and the other comments about deplorables contributed to Trumps election but calling his supporters Nazis, faking hate crimes and blaming his supporters, assaulting supporters in red hats and elected officials encouraging public harassment of his supporters won’t result in any blowback and any mention of it is partisan rhetoric?

Come on - you get so close but the pull of TDS is strong - it’s highly popular with the woke and celebrity culture - it’s easy - the hard part is to use facts and logic to get to the truth and be labeled a Nazi.

benseth 11,780 votes
11/27/19 7:51 am

I’m not part of any “woke culture”. I do not support any type of denigration of people and their ideals/ideas. I’m not like Carl over there. Democrats do push more for social welfare but republicans push more for corporate welfare. Both should be considered reasonable for our country in reasonable amounts. Once again, these policies work best when they are balanced; going too far in either direction yields undesirable results. I DO personally think that Trump is a selfish huckster that’s only pandering (foistering) to his base, throwing red meat with one hand and pushing an imbalance with the other. The biggest hope I had for him was that he might actually do something about the rampant corruption, but he hasn’t. The corruption is mostly coming from legislators and corporations. There is certainly some in bureaucracy but they have less incentive. You say it doesn’t have to be a conspiracy but then you offer me the actual definition of it.

πŸ’‘

benseth 11,780 votes
11/27/19 8:06 am

What Trump is promulgating are conspiracy theories that have threads of truth in them so as to stoke his base’s anger of his fellow citizens. We need to reject those efforts and all compromise with each other. That’s where the best policies come from, when we compromise. We are a country of many different types of people. What’s best for one is not always best for the other and we shouldn’t try to go too far left or too far right. You seem to be “so close” also. At least you’re able to engage in reasonable discourse without lashing out (like Carl). Not everyone opposed to Trump are red hat seeking antifa liberals that have been told what to think. I don’t hate conservatives; I am one. But I also don’t hate liberals. Many on each side are misguided (by msm AND alternative media). What I hate is the corruption and the use of such propaganda. Have a wonderful holiday.

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nacho1 Logic Land
11/27/19 8:26 am

Politics is always about stoking the base - Dems have been stoking their base since the day he was nominated - it’s called making sure you listen to your base and push what they elected you for.

This rampant corruption you speak of - we had 8 years of the Messiah so it must mean the Messiah promulgated corruption yet you are so mad at Trump’s personality and character you are supporting more of the same corruption unless you feel any of the Dem candidates are corruption fighters.
The last President’s actions were historically unconstitutional and his supporters want more of the same even doubling down on his unconstitutional actions - that automatically disqualified any of them for me.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/27/19 8:26 am

The unholy alliance between the media, elites, entrenched bureaucracy, academia, tech, celebrity culture and the left is the reason why thousands of people line up for his rallies - they are always described as the uneducated, always fixated on their education level as if a liberal Starbucks barista with a degree in Women’s Studies is somehow smarter than the high school dropout who runs his own plumbing business like Joe the Plumber.
I side with the working class and our uncouth, verbose immature leader rather than the elites who hold the rest of us in contempt and are disgusted by our very being.

It really is that simple.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/27/19 8:41 am

The problem with your idea of compromise is that the left has decided anyone that works with the Trump Nazis should be shunned.
It is DACA for nothing in exchange because it is the right thing to do - make “kids” legal so then can sponsor the parents that brought them here then get grandma and grandpa and uncles and aunts to come too- no worries if they are all public charges, we can’t ever have family separation - unless it’s the examples of US citizens being separated by acts of violence by criminal illegal aliens - then it’s not representative just an unfortunate by product.
Not one Dem voted for tax cuts that went to 80% of Americans - good compromise.
Not one Dem supported getting out of the ridiculous Iran’s deal or feckless Paris Agreement - more compromise - instead it was “catastrophic”.

benseth 11,780 votes
11/27/19 9:18 am

I guess the hyper partisan pull is too strong. Have a wonderful holiday.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/27/19 1:04 pm

Logic and facts are not as strong a pull as TDS and being popular with the “in” crowd- you were almost ready to enter the detoxification and deprogramming phase.

Have a good holiday.

benseth 11,780 votes
11/27/19 2:09 pm

Lol. I’m not in any “in crowd”. I can assure you of that. I’m way past any pull or desire to clique up. I formulate my opinions on my own. Thanks again for the discourse.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/27/19 2:34 pm

You accept most of the facts and logic but just can’t get over Trump’s character flaws. The easy was is the popular way - no one calls you a Nazi, a cult member, a danger to democracy, anti American, bogged or racist - the hard way is to stick with facts and logic and not let emotions interfere.
It’s always easier to be part of the crowd especially when it’s socially acceptable and celebrated as being morally and intellectually better than the “others”.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/27/19 2:34 pm

You accept most of the facts and logic but just can’t get over Trump’s character flaws. The easy was is the popular way - no one calls you a Nazi, a cult member, a danger to democracy, anti American, bogged or racist - the hard way is to stick with facts and logic and not let emotions interfere.
It’s always easier to be part of the crowd especially when it’s socially acceptable and celebrated as being morally and intellectually better than the “others”.

Ebola007 Florida
11/27/19 3:37 pm

It’s humorous to me that Benseth identifies with these looney toons characters. Lol πŸ˜‚

nacho1 Logic Land
11/27/19 5:50 pm

He is reasonable and accepts facts but Trumps character bothers him and “corruption” left over from 8 years of Obama that Trump has not fixed in 4 years makes him side with the elites who despise us and are not afraid to let us know.

The You Tube videos are proof of the contempt they have for us and it has only gotten worse since that glorious night they all went home crying after they became completely unhinged on national TV.

bnnt Los Angeles
11/21/19 9:39 am

Democrats and their media friends can’t impeach just because they don’t like him.

Trump and the RNC will raise a half a billion for 2020. DNC and Butt/Warren will join forces and get defeated badly next year.

Trump will get Ivanka prepped for 2024. She’ll run against Kanye.

All democrats had to do was get a moderate Democrat from the conservative south. It wasn’t at all hard! The county isn’t far socialist-left as the media and democrats want it.

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Ebola007 Florida
11/21/19 9:38 am

Highly unlikely.

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NHauxx57 WA
11/21/19 9:29 am

It’ll mess up his 2020 campaign and his record but he won’t be removed

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FitzDarcy Tre46on
11/21/19 8:29 am

The only Bombshells are the facts that these snowflake lefties think their "Feelings" and "Opinions" are the basis for Impeachment and that their Feelings and opinions matter..LOL the upshot of this is their feefees are hurt because Trump is President.

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PrinceOberyn Here I am Here I Remain
11/21/19 8:22 am

The GOP are craven traitors to the American people. They'll never convict him. The entire lot should be driven into exile.

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nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 11:34 am

A traitor is one who ignores the results of an election and claim themselves the winner - like Stacy Abrams the delusional democrat hero and her sycophant enablers.

ccc1 Georgia
11/21/19 11:59 am

So because I have a different opinion I’m craven? And contemptible and cowardly? Give me an hour So that I can tell you what you are, you close minded puffball.

PrinceOberyn Here I am Here I Remain
11/21/19 7:17 pm

Ccc, to answer your questions....

Yes, yes, and yes.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 8:47 pm

Yes if you disagree with someone for the religion of peace on anything at all you are cowardly, contemptible and should have a jihad put on your head - just to demonstrate how peaceful their prophet is - the one who you can never ever draw lest you get another jihad pit on your head.

The good Prince is an honorary member of the “Squad” and volunteers part time to hold down down teenage girls as their genitalia is cut - all in the name of the religion of peace.

tractorman Oklahoma
11/21/19 7:54 am

Nah, the spineless republican senate majority will whore again for this immoral, sophomoric, egotistical, criminal who is now in the White House and not convict him. Anyone who has watched the impeachment hearings will surely just vote this poser out come next November...

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nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 8:19 am

Anyone who watched the hearings know that this is just an extension of the Mueller hoax.
Dems embarrass themselves - calling the Ukraine President a liar among other things.

DJ13
11/21/19 8:37 am

Nacho, very American of you to suggest that calling the Ukraine president a liar is wrong, but calling all those AMERICAN witnesses liars is ok. With one being a highly decorated military personnel. We are seeing who the true American Patriots are.....

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 8:55 am

Did you see me defending anyone calling anyone a liar?
Nice try - all this shows is career bureaucrats upset norms were not being followed and they were being cut out of the loop.

The Dems insist the President of Ukraine is lying and that’s their whole case - the two participants are liars when they deny it.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 8:57 am

Thanks for putting AMERICAN in caps - very patriotic of you.
It shows how serious you are, how serious this whole investigation is, how you naturally more patriotic than me, how great Dems are for defending the Constitution, how nobody is above the law - except for illegal immigrants of course.
How AMERICAN of you.

kscott516 Masks fail
11/21/19 9:02 am

Me2nokneez makes a snide comment about me and then puts me on ignore. HUGE Leftist ❄️! πŸ˜‚πŸ€£Wasn’t even talking to them.

DJ13
11/21/19 9:03 am

Well, I must have stuck a nerve. Being called out for your unpatriotic texts hurts I guess.....

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 9:26 am

It’s unpatriotic to state the truth that Dems are calling the Ukraine President a liar?

Okay Adam Schiff - any other fact based statements that are unpatriotic in your lefty brain?

I never defended anyone calling anyone a liar but you did - that’s how TDS works - you start out thinking you are doing the right thing and end up being a hypocrite.
Your welcome for the lesson.

DJ13
11/21/19 9:29 am

Well, here's your chance to denounce everyone, Trump, Pence, Nunes, Jordan, etc, that have called these witnesses liars. Questioned their character. Question their loyalty. So, let's here you do that...

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 10:13 am

Anyone that call anyone a liar is out of bounds - yourself included.
Nice try to backtrack and suggest my patriotism lacks because I don’t follow lefty dogma.
You got caught being a hypocrite like most TDS eventually do.

Unfortunately since the last President won the “Lie of the Year” for taking advantage of the “stupidity of the American people” by using a “compliant media echo chamber” accusations of lying have become the norm.
How’s that?
Now how about you decry yourself for

DJ13
11/21/19 10:18 am

So no one is lying. How does that affect this investigation...

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 10:20 am

You get to call anyone on the right a liar, you get to question their credibility, you get to suggest they are politically motivated but when someone turns the tables and does it to a bureaucrat or TDS patient - it becomes out of bounds.
It’s the Shifty Schiff way - the new lefty hero - still waiting for his “in plain view” evidence from the Mueller hoax he kept promising - that’s your star inquisitor.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 10:23 am

What we have is entrenched bureaucrats mad because that are kept out of the loop and the norms are not being followed. They believe they set policy, they believe they are not there for advice and to carry out orders but to advance their own ideas and projects and like most entrenched government employees lean left and hate the idea of Trump as President.

DJ13
11/21/19 10:24 am

No, you're suggesting that no one is lying. What does that do with this investigation? Why are there two different stories?

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 10:56 am

I am suggesting that you calling me unpatriotic because I stated
the fact that Dems are calling the Ukraine President a liar is TDS in and of itself.

It’s not lies - notice nobody is stating facts - they are giving opinions, saying what they heard, opining on policy and norms - the only facts that are in play are:
the two participants deny it, no investigation was never started, the funds were released. Everything else is opinion or decks telling of what they heard.

Which facts that I laid out are lies?
Show me where any GOP member called any witness a liar please, show me where any one has lied.
You can’t because the only facts in play are the ones I indicated and the rest is opinion and judgment.

DJ13
11/21/19 11:44 am

So, I ask you if there are two different stories do you believe anyone is lying? Do you believe the testimony from all these witnesses are true or are they lying? 2 simple questions. Can you give 2 simple answers...

me2nokneez California
11/21/19 1:50 pm

Yeah. You’re on ignore. You’re irritating.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 2:07 pm

Two things can be true at the same time when it comes to interpretation and that’s what the majority of the debate is about - interpreting some one else’s words.
The two major participants deny it but the game of interpretation continues.
The actions or non actions don’t need to be interpreted because they are there to see - no investigation, the money was given - those are the only facts at hand - the rest is interpretation.
Why can’t you acknowledge that instead of demanding someone lied - in their interpretation while giving their opinion.
Stick with the facts and the whole charade falls apart - keep interpreting others words and you get what this has become - a running joke.

DJ13
11/21/19 4:11 pm

Nacho, it's ok, we understand that you're a Trumpbot and the only facts are what come out of Trump's mouth.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 4:48 pm

Which facts do you believe are in play.
Do you agree on these facts:
Or do you have a different set of facts?
Fact - there was a phone call.
Fact - no investigation was announced.
Fact- the aid was sent.
Fact - the two principles deny it
Fact - Dems are calling the President of Ukraine a liar.
Fact - the whistleblower rules were changed to accommodate this whistleblower
Fact - elected Dems have called for impeachment before he was inaugurated.

Which fact do too do agree with.

Now list your facts and we will see who has a fact based reasoning and who has opinion based reasoning.
You can’t and won’t because it is all supposition and opinion and that’s why you return to the tried and true when you can’t argue facts - denigrate.
It’s the TDS playbook.

DJ13
11/21/19 6:33 pm

Nacho, let me answer your facts.
1 phone call...fact.
2 no investigation announced....not exactly sure, but possible fact.
3 aid delivered....fact, but neither 2 or 3 are necessary for there to be a crime.
4 2 principles deny... Big deal one is the one accused and the other also has reason to deny.
5 Dems calling Ukraine president a liar.....fact. just like republicans calling the American witnesses liars.
6 whistleblower rules changed....false
7 Dems calling for impeachment before inauguration....not sure on that one either, but nothing to do with Trump's actions....

kscott516 Masks fail
11/21/19 9:11 pm

DJ is using presumptions just like Sondland πŸ˜‚ They literally can’t help themselves.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 10:17 pm

So we agree on all the facts except one where the rules for the whistleblower were changed “earlier in the year” not just before this scam came about.

In your list of facts we agree on where do you see the fact that bribery or extortion is evident.
You don’t because it does not exist.

I would also like for you to list where any GOP member of the committee said any witness was lying - they did not - they said they are simply giving their opinion which was wrong not lying - the only ones claiming anyone is lying is the Dems claiming the Ukrainian Pres is lying.

Glad we can agree on facts and that no facts at all even come close to showing what the Dems are charging - see there is bipartisanship among us - we agree no facts are in evidence or have been presented that indicate Trump did anything worth impeachment - thanks for agreeing.

DJ13
11/22/19 9:03 am

Facts are that aid was witheld and only released after Trump's attempted bribery was caught. Fact is while the aid was being witheld, Trump asked Ukraine for a favor. Which included announcing an investigation on the Bidens. Fact is that Trump didn't ask for that investigation until Joe Biden became his top opponent in the 2020 election. Fact is Ukraine was asking why the aid was being witheld on the day of the call. They discovered why on that call. Fact is both Trump and the Ukraine president have very strong reasons to lie and deny, while the six or seven witnesses do not. Also there are more that could testify if Trump would not obstruct. It's unfortunate that you and all other Trumpbots would believe the 2 more likely to lie and deny than those that wouldn't have a real reason to.. Those are some FACTS....

mstt
11/21/19 7:46 am

No, but a lot of Democrats should be

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bnnt Los Angeles
11/21/19 9:42 am

Schiff made himself look worse. No doubt he’s corrupt and a liar.

I think Biden and his son are “outed” as well.

Liberty 4,032,064
11/21/19 7:28 am

Nah, I’ve already seen this episode. The Democrats scream and rant about collusion for a few months and then when it’s disproven they wait a few more months and start it over

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kscott516 Masks fail
11/21/19 8:32 am

This is their last charade

davidwhite1 Building it Bigger
11/21/19 7:15 am

Foreign Affairs is 100% about political influence! We don’t give money to foreign governments out of charity it is because we expect something in return.
While Trumps actions may have been uncouth. The fact remains that Hunter was making $85k a month for a job he had experience for. It does not matter if Joe asked for it or not it was uncouth.
But at the end of the day we are not judged or convicted by thoughts and desires. In this case no quantifiable miss deed is present.
Despite all the reported “bomb shell testimony” there is no crime. Remember how much “damning and shocking” information there was with Russia?

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redrooster1
11/21/19 6:56 am

All this BS is just gonna solidify Republican’s resolve AND draw Democrat voters to Trump.... who’s gonna win reelection by a landslide!!!

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Spanki543 Colorado
11/21/19 6:37 am

This whole thing is an embarrassing waste of time. I wish that the Democrats would focus on policy and what they will bring to the table instead of just orange man bad. They are giving trump exactly what he wants. They are burning down the Democrat party. I jumped off that sinking ship recently and I'm not going back

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HoosierFan
11/21/19 6:46 am

I trust you found the eight years of attacks, lies and investigations into the Obama Administration equally destructive.

Spanki543 Colorado
11/21/19 6:49 am

I don't recall Obama being criticized on the scale that Trump is. Obama was treated very nicely by the media. I voted for him twice and I hated the way some conservatives would talk about him, but I do not recall at all him being treated the way Trump is being treated on a large scale. I do not recall Obama supporters being beaten in the streets. And I do not recall Obama supporters being afraid to admit that they supported the president. This is not at all the same and anyone with a brain can see

HoosierFan
11/21/19 6:50 am

🀣🀣🀣

HoosierFan
11/21/19 7:01 am

Well, the obvious difference is that Trump is no Obama. Trump has proven himself, live on camera, by his own words and deeds, not media accounts, to be bigoted, dishonest and corrupt.

As for Obama, there were death threats. There were nooses at Tea Party rallies. A black Congressman was spat on. A Republican was caught on live TV yelling “you lie” during Obama’s State of the Union speech. And the liberal media? They breathlessly covered every Republican press conference, every criticism, every Congressional hearing.

Remember birtherism? Mitch McConnell vowing that he would ensure Obama would fail at everything he did? Fox News reporting Obama was pro-terrorism, maybe even a Muslim intent on imposing Sharia law? Or that Obama was a socialist destroying the economy?

Memory is a tricky thing. You may be remembering how you wish things had been more than how they were.

toadder
11/21/19 7:13 am

To address the main point. MicConnell has many pieces of passed legislation sitting on his desk that are waiting to die. What are we doing about ‘mental health’ re: gun violence? No idea but there is legislation buried on his desk. When will we get to infrastructure? That was always the common ground.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 8:22 am

The same useless partisan pieces of legislation that Ryan gave to Reid so it would sit and die on his desk.
You can pass something in the House knowing it has no chance of ever passing the Senate and pat yourself on your back for your progress.

toadder
11/21/19 8:31 am

True. Then what are Republican senators doing about mental health. It was suppose to be a big priority. What about infrastructure? And repeal and replace?

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 8:59 am

They are busy defending the Constitution against the attacked from the deep state and their bureaucratic minions.
They spent two and half years on the Mueller hoax and now this sham is taking all the air out of Washington.

toadder
11/21/19 9:07 am

Lol

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 9:17 am

They tried repeal and replace and were rebuffed by chicken little GOP who spent years saying they would do it then got TDS and refused to do anything that would appear to support anything Trump.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 9:18 am

The USMCA is awaiting Comrade Pelosi’s action, the President has long touted infrastructure but the Dems poison pill is always prevailing union wages and jobs written into it which only increases the cost.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 9:22 am

What do you want to do about mental health- throw more money at it - that always works.
Dems are enablers in this case - they insist the mentally challenged should not be institutionalized, they can’t be jailed, however they can live and defecate in the street without issue, they can rob any store in California up to $900 without being charged and other lefty demands that simply enable mentally challenged people the opportunity to wreak havoc on others.

toadder
11/21/19 11:16 am

I am referring to our gun violence epidemic that conservatives have shrunk into individual cases of mental illness. So no, I am not talking about mentally ill homeless but rather our issue with gun violence that Trump said would be solved through mental health. That convo goes away a week after any mass killing.

toadder
11/21/19 11:18 am

And you are wrong, there is very little money and support for mental health on a national level so we incarcerate a significant population of our mentally ill both under dems and republicans.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 11:19 am

What is your suggestion?
How would your suggestion have stopped any one of the events?

toadder
11/21/19 11:45 am

I dont create policy so my opinion is not of consequence. What does matter is what our elected lawmakers think and act upon.

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 2:02 pm

So you want action but don’t know what action, just something.

That always works out well, doing something for the sake of doing something which in the Dem vocabulary usually means throw money at it and when nothing improves complain it is is underfunded and demand more - for the sake of doing something.

toadder
11/21/19 8:06 pm

I want senate republicans to get together with trump and pass a bill that they think will curb gun violence in america. They’ve talked about it, so lets see it

nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 8:12 pm

How do you do it?
What can they do?
I am not a gun owner and didn’t grow up in a gun culture so I am not a fans but don’t know how you can do it - doesn’t mean they should not try but not sure how to accomplish the goal.

chinito Florida
11/21/19 6:01 am

This is like one of those long and boring movies that are totally predictable. But for some reason we keep watching it.

We all know Trump is going to be impeached but he won’t be convicted. The title of the movie might as well be “The House impeached Trump but the Senate didn’t convict him”, and for some (partisan) reason we will keep watching thinking that the outcome we want is going to happen.

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HoosierFan
11/21/19 6:50 am

I agree with your plot summary, but the Democrats have a Constitutional duty to investigate possible wrongdoing.

More importantly, the inquiry is bringing the facts and witness accounts into the public eye so voters can make an informed decision in 2020.

chinito Florida
11/21/19 8:54 am

Let me guess, you are a Liberal.

You have to understand that from now on, the opposing party is going to investigate the president for anything they can.

Please tell me the Democrats goal is to get to the bottom of it and not to damage Trump.

MrsCrayonWax
11/21/19 9:09 am

I agree with Hoosier 100% and I’m not a liberal. When are we going to stop with these generalizations?

chinito Florida
11/21/19 11:29 am

Just tell me, are Democrats after the truth or after Trump?

I’m an independent and I’m tired of people putting party over country.

chinito Florida
11/21/19 11:34 am

Please tell me that the Democrats would be doing the same thing to Hillary Clinton.

This is exactly like the Benghazi, emails, And Russia collusion investigation. A witch hunt and fishing expeditions.

HoosierFan
11/21/19 12:29 pm

Ask Al Franken if the Democrats ignore their own party’s misdeeds.

MrsCrayonWax
11/21/19 12:30 pm

I don’t know what they’d do because I am not one and don’t have a crystal ball. I’d probably expect partisanship. Why would the dems go after her if they didn’t believe she did anything wrong. Kind of like the republicans.

HoosierFan
11/21/19 12:40 pm

Also, politics as blood sport is not new. Sure, Republican motives were unsavory with Clinton, they played dirty and she probably hurt herself by cooperating but the facts got out.

In some ways, the fact a biased, purely partisan investigation cleared Clinton is far more powerful than if it had been bi-partisan or he an forbid, Democrat-led.

HoosierFan
11/21/19 1:03 pm

One more thought...

If you assume politicians are motivated to use investigations to damage political opponents, why wouldn’t you apply that logic to Trump’s “favor” that Ukraine investigate the Bidens?

chinito Florida
11/21/19 1:17 pm

MrsC, if Hillary was president, and she had done the exact thing Trump did, Democrats wouldn’t be investigating her. In the other hand, Republicans would be.

As per Hunter, he did nothing illegal. He just took advantage of his last name. He can sell his name and can get all the jobs he wants and make millions for being the Vice President’s son. UNLESS, the US government change a policy, give him inside information or give him a contract for being who he is. Yes, that is a partisan thing as well.

me2nokneez California
11/21/19 3:24 pm

Hoosier. Dumb Dumb move on Democrat’s part. Republicans would have never done that to their own.

HoosierFan
11/21/19 5:42 pm

I disagree, Me2. What the GOP does is on the GOP. A party cannot say it respects women and then allow one of its members to be so childish and disrespectful towards a woman.

me2nokneez California
11/21/19 5:47 pm

Hoosier. The guy was a comedian on SNL. I believe he was touring with this person and this was a silly gag. Talk about PC. It’s a little sickening or ridiculous some of the time.

HoosierFan
11/21/19 6:07 pm

If you find respecting women sickening, I pity you.

kcgator Las Vegas
11/21/19 5:58 am

The irony that if President Hillary Clinton was accused of these same things you mouth breathing idiots would be DEMANDING she resign. Bunch of fucking hypocrites.

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nacho1 Logic Land
11/21/19 8:24 am

Mouth breathing idiots?
Nice comment from yet another tolerant lefty.

Hillary did the same things and we did freak out - except we were told it was nothing to worry about when foreigners paid her Foundation millions to get access to power.

Quinnipiac Here
11/21/19 5:55 am

We’re watching two movies on the same screen.

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Larmoe1
11/21/19 5:34 am

Re-elected maybe, impeach not gonna happen.
Sad these nut job Dems are even trying this but the sheep will follow.

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benseth 11,780 votes
11/21/19 6:13 am

Have you ever looked up the word “impeach” in a dictionary?

EarlyBird Portland
11/21/19 7:21 am

Ben- what are you getting at?

benseth 11,780 votes
11/21/19 7:28 am

The “impeach” is already happening. It’s obvious that many people think that impeachment means to remove a person from office. It’s just leveling charges against an official while inquiring about it.

Larmoe1
11/21/19 12:07 pm

Actually it’s a impeach inquiry...no vote has been taken to impeach him...once there is, it will move to the senate where it will be dismissed.
Nothing there....

benseth 11,780 votes
11/21/19 12:26 pm

The vote is on the articles of the impeachment. And of course the republicans in the senate won’t vote for it; they need Trump’s base to vote for them.

phalnx Ohio
11/21/19 4:53 am

Things were looking good until that guy farted, raised a huge stink, and blew the whole thing up.

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phalnx Ohio
11/21/19 4:10 pm

Eric Swalwell, one of our own, I'm afraid. The blowback from this incident is gonna be nasty.

me2nokneez California
11/21/19 5:24 pm

Phalnx. You idiotπŸ₯΄πŸ˜Έ! I should have known you were being literal. I watch Matthews normally. It’s on now but I missed that. Someone’s stomach was grumbling the other day but I don’t know who’s.

phalnx Ohio
11/22/19 5:24 am

...On further reflection, if Swilwell plays his cards right and deals a deuce in the White House, Trump may indeed be forced out of office...at least 'till the air clears.

me2nokneez California
11/22/19 8:15 am

Phalnx. Stop reflecting. How can your wife stand you?🀑

zimmy Florida
11/21/19 4:23 am

Not a chance, at least we know the House did the absolute right thing in impeaching him( and they will) it actually shows our Republic working the way it is supposed to.

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pilotguy Las Vegas
11/21/19 4:32 am

Well said.

rons Thanks America
11/21/19 5:32 am

Sondland was a Trump plant. He blew the whole think up at the end. Said no one in the universe tied the aid to a request.
“I want nothing, I want nothing, no Quid Pro Quo!” Said Trump to Sondland. Of course the MSM didn’t hear that. Schiff Shifted in his pants.

Quinnipiac Here
11/21/19 5:54 am

zim, you are just a tribalist.

zimmy Florida
11/21/19 5:55 am

Quinn- you are worse than me so.....🀷🏻‍♂️

benseth 11,780 votes
11/21/19 6:18 am

As long as you say that you don’t want a quid pro quo in a loud conversation, you can ask for a quid pro quo all you want. Everyone knows that law.

zimmy Florida
11/21/19 6:23 am

Quinn- NO YOU! πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚your turn! 😝😝😝

Quinnipiac Here
11/21/19 6:27 am

zim, join our team. you would be amazing at a trump rally!

rons Thanks America
11/21/19 6:29 am

You did it! No! You did it! You did it!........

zimmy Florida
11/21/19 6:34 am

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Savageman
11/21/19 4:22 am

I have my popcorn & soda. I’m ready for another day of congressional comedy.

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Malekithe My pronouns are GFY
11/21/19 3:37 am

Zero chance.
The Democrats will probably impeach but the Senate will find him not guilty.
They may even dismiss the impeachment out right due to lack of evidence

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tdaddy Kentucky
11/21/19 3:35 am

No. The Dems only interest is getting rid of Trump. But I think they have turned their party into a circus. They show no interest at all in making America great. Due to family matters I haven’t since the Presidential election of 2016, but now more than ever I cannot see me voting anything but Republican in 2020. I want the party of CAN DO in 2020, to hell with the party of NO CAN DO. It’s Trump or Bust in 2020!!

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truenuff
11/21/19 3:26 am

All presidents do what trump did.

What’s the difference? President Trump is a threat to the business as usual ruling class that has been screwing Americans for decades.

Do fall for the propaganda! Keep draining the swamp.

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thatguy2 We tried to warn you
11/21/19 12:41 am

Impeached, yes. Convicted, no. That would require integrity that Republicans don’t have. Hopefully voters understand what’s happening but I don’t have much faith in them either.

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me2nokneez California
11/21/19 12:49 am

That remark about nazis is ironic I hope, but that comment re: Trump makes me laugh.

Gunfighter06 Iowa, since 1846
11/21/19 6:46 am

How arrogant do you have to be to assume that you know better than American voters? The elitism in your comment is staggering.

PrinceOberyn Here I am Here I Remain
11/21/19 8:22 am

That's because the American Voters are retarded, Gun.

Krystina Let Freedom Reign
11/21/19 12:21 am

Only in today’s America would there be a question asking this on a day where we, once again, heard another witness that had zero evidence of a crime and, if anything, confirmed the exact opposite.

Wouldn’t it be something if our propaganda media actually reported the truth?
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thatguy2 We tried to warn you
11/21/19 12:39 am

“I know that members of this committee frequently frame these complicated issues in the form of a simple question: Was there a ‘quid pro quo’?” Sondland said. “. . . With regard to the requested White House call and the White House meeting, the answer is yes.”

Keep lying though.

peacenskis Alaska
11/21/19 1:04 am

Huh??? “The propaganda media”?
The trial is televised. It is also on the radio.
Just watch (or listen) to it without the “propaganda media” commentary. πŸ€”

I have a feeling that it wouldn’t change your mind. πŸ˜•

What would be great is if the majority of people who voted for Trump could just admit that is was a mistake. I have hope that will happen at the polls next year. πŸ—³ 🀞🏻

me2nokneez California
11/21/19 1:12 am

Yes. For a group of people who think they’re so smart and love berating and demonizing the “lefties”, to me, they sure sound naive, arrogant, and sometimes just plain dumb. I agree, they don’t want to admit they made a mistake.

jgf I have a few questions
11/21/19 1:26 am

It's on live TV. What were you watching? You are willingly ignorant and will stand by Trump even as the country implodes.

Krystina Let Freedom Reign
11/21/19 2:13 am

Yes, it was on live TV and it’s obvious that everyone here has listened to the media rather than watching the hearing. I call it the propaganda media because they twist things to the point of lying constantly. Today, they are reporting what Sondland “presumed” was the case, not what was actually the case. I know because I actually watched the hearing, so I know where the media is trying to snow the public. Its disgraceful what they do to the population who can’t or won’t sit through the hearings for themselves.

youtu.be/EnEWYilDgcg
youtu.be/SgvLGTWPatw
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FitzDarcy Tre46on
11/21/19 2:22 am

The Radio ? You mean NPR ?
National Propaganda Radio ?

docccyr maine
11/21/19 3:23 am

Krystina, I watched all of Sondlands testimony as well as the testimonies on Tuesday...how can someone possibly watch and not see that Trump is guilty?? Yes there was a presumption by Sondland, but it was the only logical answer to why aid wasn't being disbursed

tdaddy Kentucky
11/21/19 3:42 am

Oh sister too!! Thanks sis for supporting what’s right in America. TRUMP 2020!! There’s no one else that’s worthy of the job.

Malekithe My pronouns are GFY
11/21/19 3:44 am

“No one in the white house, no one on this planet ever told told him there were conditions on US aid or meetings. He presumed it. Trump told him he wants nothing from Ukraine, no quid pro quo. Just tell them to do the right thing.”
Oh god, no. How dare Trump say that.
Impeach him.

tdaddy Kentucky
11/21/19 4:05 am

You’re right about watching the Hearing instead of Fake News I I don’t think Dems have watched any of it. They refuse to acknowledge what’s RIGHT with America, their only interest lies in keeping the swamp full.

Their only care is keeping Rock and HipHop at the Inaugural Ball(s) and tats of Nazi emblems in their groin areas. But as the brilliant author Harari so aptly points out the only visions The Party of Wrong sees in our future are those of gloom, doom, and the Apocalypse.

jgf I have a few questions
11/21/19 6:11 am

Sure he said that when he found out about the whistle blower. The same day he knew he was in trouble, he said that

Malekithe My pronouns are GFY
11/21/19 6:25 am

There is zero evidence he ever said anything different, but why worry about direct evidence when you have hearsay and presumptions.

Krystina Let Freedom Reign
11/21/19 6:32 am

Docccyr, guilty of what? There was no victim. There was no crime.

Every witness has been asked in one form or another if they have any evidence of a crime. Every one of them has said no. So what is this crime you and many others who hate him believe him to be guilty of?
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Krystina Let Freedom Reign
11/21/19 6:38 am

By the way, it’s perfectly legal for a President to withhold aid. Aid is withheld for many reasons. Not usual. Not illegal.

It’s also perfectly legal for a President or any other foreign official to engage in a quid pro quo. Often, we tester to it as diplomacy and it’s something we engage in because it makes little sense for us to give millions in our tax money to other nations for nothing in return.

So withholding aid is legal. Quid pro quo’s are legal. Also, upholding the law (and therefore rooting out corruption) is part of the President’s job description. Also legal.

So I ask again, where’s the crime? Whose the victim?
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Krystina Let Freedom Reign
11/21/19 6:52 am

There was no force of any type whatsoever, not what you describe, not any at all. President Zelensky said that he never felt any pressure for anything.

Try again.

docccyr maine
11/21/19 7:15 am

Yes, aid is withheld all the time, but when it's withheld until the president gets something that benefits him personally (not the country) it becomes illegal. As for the witnesses not recounting any crime, they're not lawyers, it's not their job to determine if a crime was committed, that argument is silly.

Krystina Let Freedom Reign
11/21/19 7:27 am

Nothing was withheld until it benefitted anyone.

Just curious though, how could the withholding of aid benefit the President personally? Is it that you think an investigation into Barisma would benefit the President personally? If yes, then you must believe Joe Biden behaved illegally because, if Joe Biden behaved within the law, then an investigation into Barisma would have no negative affect on him in the election and therefore not benefit our President in any way.

Also curious, if you believe Joe Biden behaved illegally, do you also feel the President should shirk his duties by ignoring Biden’s crimes or do you think he should perform the Presidential duty of upholding the law?
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DJ13
11/21/19 7:44 am

Krystina,
Ukraine only had to publicly announce an investigation. There wasn't a need for a guilty verdict. A simple announcement of Trump's top opponent in the up coming election (at that time) being investigated would have benifited Trump, no one else...

Krystina Let Freedom Reign
11/21/19 7:47 am

How’s that? If the mere idea that our President may have wanted an investigation into Barisma resulted in this impeachment charade, how it is that a public announcement of an investigation wouldn’t have resulted in the same?
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Krystina Let Freedom Reign
11/21/19 7:49 am

That also doesn’t address the questions I asked.

If you believe Joe Biden behaved illegally, which is the only possible option for an argument that an investigation into Barisma would hurt Joe Biden, do you also feel the President should shirk his duties by ignoring Biden’s crimes or do you think he should perform the Presidential duty of upholding the law?
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DJ13
11/21/19 8:06 am

Krystina, you don't believe that if it was publicly announced that Joe Biden was being investigated, that it would change many peoples mind on voting for him? Regardless if he was actually found guilty of anything?

Krystina Let Freedom Reign
11/21/19 8:12 am

The announcement wouldn’t be that Biden is being investigated. It would be that Barisma is being investigated.

Still, either way, that announcement never happened.

But again, should we expect the President to shirk his duties and ignore what appears to be evidence of corruption with foreign nations or do we expect him to uphold the laws?
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docccyr maine
11/21/19 8:14 am

You know that just the mere perception that Ukraine may be investigating the Bidens hurts Biden's campaign, a campaign that polling shows is likely the best chance Democrats have to beat Trump. That directly benefits the president, to say anything else is simply burying your head in the sand

Krystina Let Freedom Reign
11/21/19 8:16 am

Should we expect the President to shirk his duties and ignore what appears to be evidence of corruption with foreign nations or do we expect him to uphold the laws?

Are politicians exempt from the law or investigations when they’re running for office? Should they be?
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DJ13
11/21/19 8:17 am

Trump wanted an announcement that the Bidens were being investigated. That includes Joe...

DJ13
11/21/19 8:21 am

The Barisma situation started in 2014. I wonder why Trump only became concerned enough to ask for an investigation once Joe Biden became his top opponent in the 2020 election? Hmmmmm..... Tough question......NOT....Trump was not concerned with corruption. He was concerned with Joe Biden....simple...

Krystina Let Freedom Reign
11/21/19 8:28 am

I heard it reported that in looking into the 2016 election meddling, the money came up and Barisma came up. I don’t think it was on the radar prior to. But I think they found some connection or speculated connection.

See, I can’t fault the President for asking about honest and fair investigations into 2016 election meddling by the Dems or into Barisma where billions of American tax dollars seems to have gone missing (been laundered?). It’s the duty of the President to look into these things and if Joe or Hunter Biden was somehow involved in the moving and hiding of that money, I would have issue with our President ignored it.

Him being impeached for it is ridiculous, but it shows us clearly how far corrupt people are willing to go to divert attention from the real corruption (Dem election meddling in 2016? Barisma? The Biden’s deal with China? The vast array of Clinton scandals no one can keep up with?, etc.)
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FitzDarcy Tre46on
11/21/19 8:35 am

Krys the media is too busy carrying Schiffs water.

kscott516 Masks fail
11/21/19 8:39 am

“You know that just the mere perception that Ukraine may be investigating the Bidens hurts Biden's campaign, a campaign that polling shows is likely the best chance Democrats have to beat Trump.”

Honest question: how do the 3 years of NONSTOP investigations into Trump not count as election interference then? Are investigations into him helping the Democrats?

DJ13
11/21/19 8:40 am

The "real corruption". If Trump was concerned about corruption he had plenty to be concerned about in his own administration.

kscott516 Masks fail
11/21/19 8:50 am

So you don’t have a good answer?

me2nokneez California
11/21/19 8:53 am

Kscott. You wouldn’t know a good answer if it bit you. Your arguments are ridiculous but somewhat entertaining.

DJ13
11/21/19 9:06 am

Scott, have you got any witnesses that say Joe Biden or any Democrat running for president was witholding anything of value from the house of representatives in return for them doing this investigation? If not there isn't a comparison....Try again...

kscott516 Masks fail
11/21/19 10:20 am

Trump isn’t withholding anything of value form the House of Representatives. Comparisons aren’t something you’re good at.

DJ13
11/21/19 10:27 am

You're not that stupid. He was witholding from Ukraine....they are the ones he asked to do an investigation or at least announce an investigation.....

kscott516 Masks fail
11/21/19 10:31 am

They didn’t know anything was being withheld. There’s no bribe if the other person wasn’t offered anything. You know better.

Also:
www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/hunter-biden-linked-company-received-130m-in-special-federal-loans-while-joe-biden-was-vp

DJ13
11/21/19 10:36 am

Ukraine was asking why the aid was being held up on the very day of the call between Trump and the Ukraine president...

DJ13
11/21/19 11:48 am

Sorry, first post no good. Use second one...

kscott516 Masks fail
11/21/19 11:59 am

Even if they asked where the aid was, at no point were they told that it was withheld until they investigated Biden. That’s a lie.

kscott516 Masks fail
11/21/19 2:49 pm

Poor snowflake ❄️ got triggered! πŸ˜‚πŸ€£

DJ13
11/21/19 4:13 pm

They KNEW it was being witheld. They learned why from Trump on the phone call....

kscott516 Masks fail
11/21/19 4:24 pm

Read the perfect transcript. He never gave any preconditions for the aid.

Malekithe My pronouns are GFY
11/21/19 6:59 pm

Summary of the witness testimony


youtu.be/p-r3mhlIJi0

BamaGirl ROLL TIDE from Arizona
11/21/19 12:05 am

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kanji401 SoCal
11/21/19 12:04 am

Our political parties are too divided right now to be able to judge the merits of the acts without bias toward the person who allegedly committed them.

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pkurt88 Las Vegas, NV
11/21/19 12:00 am

No, but he should.

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