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omniku November 13th, 2019 12:56am

Impeachment is not the same as a trial in court. If the Senate was a jury every last one of them would be struck for cause bc they are all biased, follow the coverage, etc. Impeachment is a political process that is separate & distinct from a trial.

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ConservativeD Libertarian in disguise
11/12/19 8:13 pm

www.law.cornell.edu/background/impeach/impeach.htm

“Article 1, Section 3, Clause 6--"The Senate shall have the sole power to TRY all impeachments. When sitting for that purpose, they shall be on oath or affirmation. When the President of the United States is TRIED, the Chief Justice shall PRESIDE: And no person shall be CONVICTED without the concurrence of two thirds of the members present."

Sure sounds like judicial language to me....

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ConservativeD Libertarian in disguise
11/12/19 8:18 pm

Also you can’t strike for cause if the jury pool is already selected.

ConservativeD Libertarian in disguise
11/12/19 8:28 pm

Or depleted for that matter.

sstein555
11/12/19 10:22 pm

That would be once he's impeached has nothing to do with what's happened thus far

sstein555
11/12/19 10:22 pm

Never mind. I didn't fully read the question.

skinner Jersey City
11/12/19 7:51 pm

True, although to the extent that it can be made closer to the due process provided in a courtroom, it should. Implementing certain rules can mitigate the political nature of the proceedings.

Ebola007 Florida
11/12/19 7:46 pm

It is a political process on both sides. We see the extreme bias on the Democrats side and we’ll see it again on the Republican side.

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suppressedID IMEACH BIDEN
11/12/19 7:07 pm

The Republican votes can be cast now before ANY evidence is presented.

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Ebola007 Florida
11/12/19 7:54 pm

The same can be said for Democrats votes.

handsyjoey
11/12/19 7:00 pm

Exactly... This isn't a criminal court... Republicans don't have a right to call witnesses in an inquiry and Trump doesn't have a right to face his accusers like I see so many saying to attack the process

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snagglepuss2 Spring has sprung
11/12/19 7:06 pm

They attack the process because there is no defense for the substance.

lj74
11/12/19 11:22 pm

When it comes to the actual trial (if it gets that far) the subject of impeachment can call any witness they want, including members of the House.

Malekithe Hades
11/12/19 6:43 pm

Especially this particular farce

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omniku dot com
11/12/19 6:52 pm

How is it a farce?

sstein555
11/12/19 6:52 pm

Because he doesn't like the facts coming out

Ebola007 Florida
11/12/19 7:47 pm

It is indeed a partisan witch hunt.

Malekithe Hades
11/12/19 7:47 pm

a comic dramatic work using buffoonery and horseplay and typically including crude characterization and ludicrously improbable situations.

sstein555
11/12/19 10:21 pm

Sounds like you really don't want to address those pesky facts. Especially when the Republicans are whining about not including themselves in the process. Yes the Democrats should allow more input from the opposition party if they wouldn't turn it into a conspiracy theory sideshow and president Trump dick sucking contest.

kscott516 Masks fail
11/13/19 5:11 am

Which facts?

sstein555
11/13/19 6:18 am

Idk the facts that everyone including mulvaney have conferences that Trump's actions toward Ukraine amounts to a quid pro quo which really amounts to bribery and extortion of another country wherein the president is using his office for personalb political gain. That he was not concerned generally with Ukrainian corruption but only specifically with Biden and the 2016 election interference even though Ukraine had nothing to do with it. Now I know I'm talking to a moron so you'll say the Ukraine theory is the truth even though there's no evidence and I in turn will say no there's no evidence and the country interfering in our election is Russia.

kscott516 Masks fail
11/13/19 7:00 am

“bribery and extortion” 😂 You’re using the new talking points too. So predictable.

You can read the transcript like everyone else. Trump didn’t do anything wrong. Biden isn’t immune from investigation or prosecution simply because he’s running for president. Which it’s all ironic and hypocritical anyway considering the Dems have been investigating Trump his entire presidency and you think that’s perfectly fine.

As for Ukraine, Biden admitted on camera that he told them to fire the prosecutor or they wouldn’t get the billion dollars. Also, his son was getting our by Burisma, who was at the center of the Ukrainian corruption. Even his staff was concerned with that.

Malekithe Hades
11/13/19 7:21 am

Trump does not gain from Ukraine investigating corruption.
America does. Funny how Democrats actually employed quid pro quo and even worse but Democrats do not care about uncovering the truth, only biased political garbage to support their undo the 2016 election agenda which they have engaged in since before Trump took office.
This ridiculous impeachment farce is further evidence of their motives.

sstein555
11/13/19 8:00 am

It is not an investigation into corruption though. It's an investigation into a conspiracy theory and his political opponent. If he cared about corruption maybe he would've said that. Also. When has do me a favor though not been an ask for something. Also it is not a transcript it's a memo with missing pieces

sstein555
11/13/19 8:11 am

And Democrats don't care about truth? The Republicans refuse to address facts and only bitch about the process. Graham said he won't even listen to the hearing in an abdication of his duties. It's pathetic. There is no defense of Trump's actions other than he is guilty but shouldn't be removed from office.

kscott516 Masks fail
11/13/19 8:23 am

No, they don’t. Trump is completely innocent. You have the memo but he’ll be releasing the full transcript. He’s just waiting for the Democrats to make fools of themselves arguing that there’s details left out that prove him guilty. Then he releases the whole thing and they fall apart. It’s going to be magical ✨💫

ConservativeD Libertarian in disguise
11/13/19 9:30 am

“It is not an investigation into corruption though. It's an investigation into a conspiracy theory and his political opponent.”

So I take issue with this statement for two reasons.

1. How do you know if it’s a conspiracy theory? An investigation into the Bidens have not been conducted when the OPTICS look incredibly damning.

2. Trump was investigated for Russian Collusion from a document that has been LARGELY discredited, yet at the time Democrats did not and STILL do not believe that to be a problem. They continue to call it a “conspiracy theory.....”

By constantly calling ANYTHING that is good for Dems and/or bad for Dems a conspiracy theory, you detract from the word and meaning. It’s as meaningless now as the word racist, bigot, etc. your over use and outplaying of it is literally just a full word that is used by detractors.

I say investigate Biden and his son.....IF impropriety is uncovered, then we can have a discussion about Trump, otherwise this “inquiry” is a joke.

sstein555
11/13/19 9:40 am

Investigate Biden fine. Even if Biden was find guilty of something. Trump is still guilty. He used his power to Target a political opponent by coercing a foreign government. It's irrespective of biden's guilt. The fact is that he was not concerned with corruption in Ukraine. If he was he wouldn't have tried to push a specific investigation of Biden.

ConservativeD Libertarian in disguise
11/13/19 11:27 am

Uh huh - did President Z denounce Trump because he was pressured by him to do something he didn’t want to do (the definition of a bribe)?

Malekithe Hades
11/13/19 5:29 pm

Biden is not a political opponent and even if he was, he cannot use that to hide from his crimes.

sstein555
11/13/19 5:33 pm

Do you really think president Z is in any position to denounce Trump? Seriously. And he clearly pressured him. All of his officials and us officials knew what the deal was. And please. What is biden's crime exactly? You have nothing but a conspiracy from a liar

sstein555
11/13/19 5:37 pm

Biden is not a political opponent? He is doing better than Trump in a potential head to head. Wonder why Trump targeted him lol

ConservativeD Libertarian in disguise
11/13/19 11:13 pm

“Do you really think president Z is in any position to denounce Trump? Seriously. “

Yes I do, if he publicly denounced Trump, and was felt some form of retribution by Trump, do you think the rest of the country would be outraged? Right now Democrats have NOTHING in terms of impeachment. If they had Trump doing something beyond holding the aid for 55 additional days (like “teaching Pres Z a lesson”) - I would be caking for his head as well.

Your so partisan you would make up some BS sob story about how a leader of another country would bow and cower to Trump.

Because believe you me.....you would scream to the hill tops if Pres Z said he was pressured by Trump, and I would actually believe this charade.

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ConservativeD Libertarian in disguise
11/13/19 11:18 pm

Ok two things

1. polls mean nothing - 2016 is proof of that.

2. Biden is a conspiracy theory because your unwilling to watch anything but CNN or MSNBC. The optics as, George Kent was concerned about, do NOT look good for Biden.

You can start digging through this investigative journalists articles:


johnsolomonreports.com/?s=Biden

Now in regards to impeachment, if Ukraine get no pressure while being asked these questions, HOW on earth can we actually arrive that he attempted to “bribe” Pres Z?

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Malekithe Hades
11/14/19 3:53 am

“Biden is not a political opponent? He is doing better than Trump in a potential head to head. Wonder why Trump targeted him lol”
Polls are meaningless.
Biden needs to be investigated for his crimes not his remote political chances against Trump. Biden admitted to extortion. Ukraine was involved in election interference in 2016 and we need to ensure there is no repeat as there was under Obama. No one is above the law and that includes Biden. He cannot hide by being 1 of 23 people to run against Trump

Malekithe Hades
11/14/19 3:56 am

According to those same polls, all of them are ahead of Trump but since no one else has openly admitted to potential crimes, none warrant an investigation. The Biden target argument is illogical

kscott516 Masks fail
11/14/19 7:02 am

Every Democrat running is doing so to hide behind “political retribution”. They’re all criminals.

sstein555
11/14/19 7:05 am

No Warren trails Trump. Biden does not

sstein555
11/14/19 7:09 am

And conservative, you said that I think it is a conspiracy because I'm watching MSNBC and CNN and you look fucking John Solomon. He is notorious for bending facts. Jesus all you conservatives are getting news from places that aren't at all reputable. Say what you will about CNN but generally the facts are true it's the spin that's frustrating. And you're wrong about president z's ability to criticize Trump. You're living in lala land

ConservativeD Libertarian in disguise
11/14/19 7:17 am

“No Warren trails Trump. Biden does not”

Who cares? Trump looking into Biden predates any of these polls. The polls and how well Biden are doing are irrelevant and disingenuous to the argument as to why he is investigating him.

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ConservativeD Libertarian in disguise
11/14/19 7:20 am

“And conservative, you said that I think it is a conspiracy because I'm watching MSNBC and CNN and you look f*****g John Solomon. He is notorious for bending facts.”

Like? Go read his articles, he states his argument and then PROVIDES documentation for you to read. He isn’t quoting such and such by taking sound clips or word snips - he GIVES you the documents.

Again you believe the consul itch theories because CNN/MSNBC demands that you do.....go read his articles, he isn’t directly or even attempting to indirectly spin things. He provides the paper or video documents and provides some level of interpretation.

But nice straw man....

ConservativeD Libertarian in disguise
11/14/19 7:44 am

“And you're wrong about president z's ability to criticize Trump. “

So then your calling him a liar, he lied about it all day in the press day that he repeatedly denied anything bad took place.

Here is something better....if Ukraine was aware of the money (and subsequent pressure), why didn’t they (diplomats and defense head of Ukraine) call our top diplomat until after the Politico article in Aug 29?


m.youtube.com/watch?v=5ulWTJUQsVY

3 hour and 48 min marker until 3 hour and 55 min marker, no linkage until after Politico article. ALSO go to the 4 hour and 1 min marker and watch that till 4 hour and 7 min marker. Also so nice of Schiff to take 40 seconds from Ratcliffe.

Look just those two snipits COMPLETELY dismantle the QPQ/bribery angle. The person being bribed would need to know they are being bribed, Democrats could NEVER prove that, unless they get Pres Z on the stand saying yes, I was pressured.

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omniku dot com
11/14/19 8:09 am

Here’s what I don’t understand about the Biden conspiracy. We know Biden did not act unilaterally… He had the full support of The US government (including bipartisan members of congress, EU leaders, the IMF, and even the shady prosecutor’s deputy who agreed he was corrupt. This isn’t some big secret it Is in the Congressional record because John E. Herbst, U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine under George W. Bush, testified before Congress in 2015...

“By late fall of 2015, the EU and the United States joined the chorus of those seeking Mr. Shokin’s removal as the start of an overall reform of the Procurator General’s Office. U.S. Vice President Joe Biden spoke publicly about this before and during his December visit to Kyiv.”

www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/031516_Herbst_Testimony.pdf (page 10)

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omniku dot com
11/14/19 8:10 am

And in the news... “The United States and other Western nations had for months called for the ousting of Mr. Shokin, who was widely criticized for turning a blind eye to corrupt practices and for defending the interests of a venal and entrenched elite.” www.nytimes.com/2016/03/30/world/europe/political-stability-in-the-balance-as-ukraine-ousts-top-prosecutor.html

So is part of the conspiracy that the VICE President, #2 in command Sleepy Joe orchestrated an international conspiracy that included multiple nations, the IMF, and even congressional Republicans without ANY leaks or pushback whatsoever?

Man, talk about a CONSPIRACY!!!
😳 Where do the Reptilian Overlords fit into this one?

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ConservativeD Libertarian in disguise
11/14/19 8:18 am

Just because something had international support (I don’t think that Shokin WASNT corrupt), doesn’t mean that corruption couldn’t be happening in the same lanes with Hunter Biden.

Getting rid of Shokin was inevitable - especially if Ukraine was supposed to be getting serious about its corruption perceptions, but again - we can investigate this further. Ukraine provided Bidens name for investigation.....

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ConservativeD Libertarian in disguise
11/14/19 9:16 am

Here is a quick timeline and tell me HOW it doesn’t look odd. Coincidences just don’t happen - I am a firm believer of that.

2012/2013 - probe into Burisma for events around 2010-2012 corruption.

2014 Mar - Biden joins burisma.

2015 Feb- Shokin becomes prosecutor inherits Burisma probe

2016 Feb - bluestar which is a partner with Burisma reaches out to US state department about corruption charges - specifically mentions Hunter Biden.

www.scribd.com/document/433389210/Bluestar-Novelli-Contacts

2016 Mar - global support of removing Shokin, AND Biden QPQ for Shokin removal.

Fall 2016 - Lutsenko closes probe.

Lutsenko was accused of corruption in 2010, so the optics appear as though Shokin was traded for Lutsenko to get the probe closed down.

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Ebola007 Florida
11/14/19 9:17 am

That’s exactly what happened

ConservativeD Libertarian in disguise
11/14/19 9:23 am

Also another tid bit of info - Burisma probe was REOPENED in 2018, so Trump at WORST wanted Ukraine to publicly announce it (without pressure since clearly Ukraine didn’t know about the hold on aid as I pointed out above.

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ConservativeD Libertarian in disguise
11/14/19 9:23 am

sonorannews.com/2019/10/09/30490/

“Per Solomon, “Kholodnytskyi, the lead anti-corruption prosecutor in Lutsenko’s office, confirmed to me in an interview that part of the Burisma investigation was reopened in 2018, after Joe Biden made his remarks.”

Kholodnytskyi said, “We were able to start this case again… [But] we don’t see any result from this case one year after the reopening because of some external influence,” citing problems with a separate Ukrainian agency that he said was dragging its feet in gathering evidence.

From Jan. 2018, when Biden made his remarks and the probe was reopened, to April 2019, when the Ukrainian election occurred, Lutsenko appears to have been in no danger of losing his job, because he didn’t. That would not occur until Aug. 2019, and then only because his former boss, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, had lost the election to Zelensky in April 2019.”

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kscott516 Masks fail
11/14/19 9:27 am

BOOM 💥 goes the dynamite!

ConservativeD Libertarian in disguise
11/14/19 9:30 am

Weirdly enough your buddies at CNN and MANBC have not touched ANY of this information. It’s not spin when they just outright refuse to look into things staring EVERYONE in the face. All you have to do is go and do some research. Solomon might be a conservative writer but he is LARGELY not “discredited” - he didn’t become “discredited” until fairly recently when MSM started attacking him. Yet their mischaracterization of him is wrong - all you have to do is read a couple of articles by him.

He provides FACTUAL data then says what he believes things to be the case (like ALL good investigative journalists) - sure he can shape a narrative but he provides the documents or the videos to back it up.....just because you don’t like what news he is portraying doesn’t make it ANY less false. Go do some research on the garbage your fed by MSM, you don’t have to do the wacko websites.....I rarely if ever use them.

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sstein555
11/14/19 1:02 pm

Lots of supposition in there lol. But yeah I'm sure the Sonoran news which is extremely biased is a good source for this.

Ebola007 Florida
11/14/19 1:20 pm

@sstein555

What is it you disagree with in the documentation provided?

ConservativeD Libertarian in disguise
11/14/19 1:23 pm

“Lots of supposition in there lol. But yeah I'm sure the Sonoran news which is extremely biased is a good source for this.”

Do you think CNN or MSNBC is not bias?

Sonoran even has conservative news in their headline.....so not sure what the issue is. Almost all news is bias any more.....

Ebola007 Florida
11/14/19 8:21 pm

I guess stein can’t think of anything to disagree with from your source.

omniku dot com
11/12/19 5:57 pm

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Impeachment is not the same as a trial in court. If the Senate was a jury every last one of them would be struck for cause bc they are all biased, follow the coverage, etc. Impeachment is a political process that is separate & distinct from a trial.

True / False

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