This morning, President Trump reinvigorated debate over DACA with a tweet speaking to its constitutionality. Should the Dreamers be offered a permanent solution to stay?
Not all of them. It isn’t American citizen’s responsibility to compensate for Dreamer’s personal tragedies. That being said, they should be allowed to seek citizenship if they can demonstrate that they’re worth providing a citizenship. So, if they have a degree, or run a company, or something like that.
Everyone should be held to the immigration laws. No Exceptions.
No. Not without a plan to make sure no others come without permission.
On related note, Change the birth law and enforce immigration laws in place now. But think a little compassion is in order to current Dreamers who are in the US due to no fault of their making.
I support a final solution for dreamers.
Oh, sorry.... ‘Dreamers’
I don't like the sound of that
I believe he's specifically referencing the Holocaust. So, y'know, advocating for genocide.
Or you know... advocating that mosey on over to where the belong. How stupid do you think Mexicans are that they’d hang around and get genocided rather than catching a bus?
Right, and you accidentally used the words "final solution". Sure.
When did I say that that was an accident?
So you ARE intentionally advocating genocide then?
No, I’m advocating they go back rather than get genocided. Why is this so tough?
So you're advocating ethnic cleansing, then? That would include both the mass murder and the forced removal.
Stop being a drama queen, even females don’t get so dramatic as you do
Cranky because you got called out for advocating ethnic cleansing aren't you?
Also "females"? Sounds like some incel garbage to me.
Let’s assume your fantasy world in which only dreamers are being targetted for elimination, how does that become ethnocide?
Deport them all.
Yes, but it’s a legal mess. If executive order can create DACA (Obama), then executive order can strike it down (Trump).
No. The point of being a so-called dreamer is that one has a home nation that is different from the US. One cannot up and leave their home nation just to go to the best nation in the world, even if their parents brought them.
No. We need to take a hard stance on immigration. It's not about xenophobia; it's about fairly applying the law and enforcing our national sovereignty.
Yes. It will all work out okay eventually. Someday their relatives may be supporting your relatives.
Ugh, no, make them go away
What the hell is wrong with you
I'm fine, not sure what made you say that.
Based on comments. Here’s some info about DACA:
You may request DACA if you:
1. Were under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012;
Came to the United States before reaching your 16th birthday;
2. Have continuously resided in the United States since June 15, 2007, up to the present time;
3. Were physically present in the United States on June 15, 2012, and at the time of making your request for consideration of deferred action with USCIS;
5. Had no lawful status on June 15, 2012;
6. Are currently in school, have graduated or obtained a certificate of completion from high school, have obtained a general education development (GED) certificate, or are an honorably discharged veteran of the Coast Guard or Armed Forces of the United States; and
7. Have not been convicted of a felony, significant misdemeanor,or three or more other misdemeanors, and do not otherwise pose a threat to national security or public safety
Are undocumented immigrants eligible for federal public benefit programs?
Generally no. Undocumented immigrants, including DACA holders, are ineligible to receive most federal public benefits, including means-tested benefits such as Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, sometimes referred to as food stamps), regular Medicaid, Supplemental Security Income (SSI), and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). Undocumented immigrants are ineligible for health care subsidies under the Affordable Care Act (ACA) and are prohibited from purchasing unsubsidized health coverage on ACA exchanges.
Thanks for posting this. The plethora of ignorant comments was driving me crazy....
Once they obtain a driver's license all bets are off..you are able to access ALL GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS
It has been over 160 days since House Democrats passed H.R. 6, the American Dream and Promise Act. It’s been gathering dust on McConnell’s desk ever since.
I'm kinda libertarian on this spasific issue. It should be taken as a one to one basis and find out if that person is contributing to society or a lazy dolt running off the government. And I want that damn wall...
I’m order to be in the DACA program, they must be in school or have finished school and be working. They don’t qualify for government assistance.
You're libertarian but want the state to invest billions on a wall and undertake a one by one analysis of a large group of people? Do you know what libertarian means?
Case by case, not all “dreamers” are the same.
What should be considered?
That’s a good question. What do you think should be considered re: foreign nationals who we are about to grant residency & legal recognition?
Yes, they should, but let’s remember that the problem comes from Obama acting unconstitutionally. He put them in limbo
No one put them in limbo. Obama didn’t change their immigration status. DACA does nothing more than prioritize how enforcement resources are used.
As long as some conditions are put on it, I am ok with it.
...you know, stuff like no felony convictions, ability to speak English, some minimum percentage of the time here while over the age of 18 spent either in school or employed and paying taxes... stuff like that.
Those are already requirements, except for the bit about knowing English. I don't think that's required.
I don’t think anyone should benefit from a crime committed.
Sure, as long as that solution doesn't include citizenship.
There is a solution. They can get in line with the many who are coming in legally. It’s not fair to those who are obeying the law. Their parents will have to be the ones who explain it to their children that it’s their fault.
You mean the line that is currently decades long? That line?
Yes that line.
Neither party has the slightest interest in stopping the flow of people entering the USA illegally.
No doubt. Trump should be impeached when tweets out unsubstantiated bullshit like he did today - saying some DACA are hardened criminals. Trump need look no further than his base for criminals.
He said that DACA was unconstitutional. Which it is. So if you want to help the DACA people, you should ask your representatives to make a deal with Trump. They rejected and deal last year for the Kids because they care more about open borders than helping the DACA kids. They’re totally hypocritical.
So BlackC doesn’t believe in Free Speech. Good to know.
Only as long as the speech fits his narrative. Otherwise you should be silenced.
Nothing about DACA is unconstitutional. DACA didn’t change anyone’s immigration status. It prioritized the use of immigration enforcement resources. That is all. DACA said that if:
1. you were brought here as a child under 16 years old;
2. are in school or completed school;
3. have not been convicted of a felony offense, a significant misdemeanor, or more than three misdemeanors; and
4. You’re not pose a threat to national security or public safety.
then the U.S. will not prioritize removing you from the U.S.
It’s actually a brilliant policy of prioritizing resources to focus on people who pose the greatest threat to our country. If a Republican had enacted instead of Obama, Republicans would LOVE it.
“President Donald Trump has caught a lot of heat for rescinding the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program with a six-month wind-down. Few people seem aware that he's ending an administrative amnesty for illegal aliens that President Barack Obama lacked the constitutional and legal authority to implement.
How do we know? Because even Obama admitted it – repeatedly.”
“Responding in October 2010 to demands that he implement immigration reforms unilaterally, Obama declared, "I am not king. I can't do these things just by myself." In March 2011, he said that with "respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that's just not the case." In May 2011, he acknowledged that he couldn't "just bypass Congress and change the (immigration) law myself. ... That's not how a democracy works."
Yet in 2012, he did it anyway. He put DACA in place to provide pseudo-legal status to illegal aliens brought to the U.S. as minors, including as teenagers. He promised them that they wouldn't be deported and provided them with work authorizations and access to Social Security and other government benefits.
And he did this despite the fact that the immigration laws passed by Congress do not give the president the ability to do this. Indeed, Congress specifically rejected bills to provide such benefits.”
“The unconstitutionality of Obama's actions were confirmed when Obama tried to implement a second, similar program in 2014 called the Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents program, or DAPA. Like DACA, DAPA provided an administrative amnesty for illegal aliens who came to the U.S. as adults and gave them work authorizations and access to government benefits.”
“The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a nationwide injunction against DAPA, which the Supreme Court allowed to stand. As the Fifth Circuit said, the fact that the president declined to enforce the law and remove illegal aliens "does not transform presence deemed unlawful by Congress into lawful presence and confer eligibility for otherwise unavailable benefits based on that change."
Under our Constitution, Congress has plenary authority over immigration. The president only has the authority delegated to him by Congress – and Congress has never given the president the power to provide a pseudo-amnesty and government benefits to illegal aliens.”
“The DACA program suffers from exactly the same constitutional infirmities as DAPA. A number of states have threatened to sue the administration to stop the DACA program. In the face of that threat, Trump really had no choice. General Sessions' legal conclusion was that DACA "is vulnerable to the same legal and constitutional challenges that the courts recognized with respect to the DAPA program."
The place to have the debate about what to do about illegal aliens who were minors when they came to this country is in the halls of Congress, not the White House. Failure to correct this unilateral, unconstitutional overreach would set a dangerous precedent that weakens our constitutional balance of powers. As law professor Jonathan Turley said, "If a president can claim sweeping discretion to suspend key federal laws, the entire legislative process becomes little more than a pretense."”
“When it comes to immigration, Attorney General Sessions was correct when he said that the "compassionate thing is to end the lawlessness, enforce our laws, and, if Congress chooses to make changes to those laws, to do so through the process set forth by our Founders in a way that advances the interests of the nation." That is essential to preserving our constitutional republic.
This piece originally appeared in the Sacramento Bee”
But to be fair, the SCOTUS is going to rule on it very soon. Trump absolutely wants to do something to help them, but wants a deal with the Democrats. Last time the wouldn’t deal, even when he was going to give millions more amnesty. Apparently blocking border security is more important now. They’re idiots.
Some of the DACA people are gang bangers and criminals. Trump was right....again.
Thank you SoCal. You should know. You’re right in the thick of it. Luckily when they are caught ICE gets rid of them right away. That is unless they’re being hidden and protected by the local government. I’m still not sure why the left protects the criminal illegals. They won’t protect me if I commit a felony.
Obama said he had no right to create Daca as he creayed it. Trump could use an Executive Order to get rid of it..just like Obama did to create it...you do realize Congress had no say in this...only the Signature of ONE man made it so.
SoCal, if they commit a felony they lose their DACA status.
Fitz, I agree that Trump could rescind DACA. It was an exercise in prosecutorial discretion that was implemented by Executive Order. So, it can absolutely be rescinded by another a Executive Order.
By DACA rules you cant be a felon
Trump lied to you again . He also was going to approve DACa in 2017 then flipped after someone got to him maybe S miller the racist nazis
So Regan had no right to allow 20 million to seek citizenship
Racist and Nazi in the same comment. 10 outta 10 on the snowflake scale right there!
Where you get this just crazy talk
Well lets see what Supreme court says even though trump has two stooges on it.
I wouldn’t be calling any other talk “crazy talk” if I were you....
Also, Kavanaugh and Gorsuch are both entirely qualified to be on the Supreme Court. They aren’t stooges and are mainstream choices ANY republican president would have chosen. Calm down that you didn’t get to have Hillary pack the court with crazy leftists like Sotomayor.
Responsible free speech of course ; including a free press to stand up and expose nut bags like Trump that jeopardize our democracy and national security.
No body is stopping the Imposter PrezNutz from saying or tweeting over 14000 out right lies in three years. Or using his position to destroy peoples careers who don’t give him accolades he graves but doesnt deserve .
Garland was qualified and had bi partisan support . Why isn’t he on bench before Mr Beer man whiner irrational goof?
Not sure Justice Kavanaugh is the whiner here man....
You didn’t watch the hearing evidently . He whined , cried , screamed , threw fits, basically irrational behavior for a supreme court judge for lifetime job. Regardless if you think he was unfairly picked on. Good Judges don’t react the way he did.
What? You must not have seen his first hearing bc he was fine. When he had to go defend himself from entirely made accusations and lies about him, of course he would be emotional. You wouldn’t? You really are a crazy person.
Dude it was a job interview for a supreme court judge. If they were throwing shit n him he should have been able to maintain his cool. His wife was even embarrassed by his crying.
If they can pass a citizenship test
Hell many are college graduates, military vets, entrepreneurs, small business owners,teachers etc. No need to infer they ALL are a waste.
So what? They’re still illegal. Trump already offered all of them permanent status. But the Democratic representatives wouldn’t deal. So they get what they get.
Who inferred they were “all a waste?”
Ya some are great people. Does that mean we can just let the good ones stay? I’m ok with that.
Honestly if any have a significant criminal record, violent crimes or stuff comparably bad, why lose an opportunity to get bad people out of the country? As for the rest, like I said, if they can pass a citizenship test. If they really grew up in America and are more American than Mexican/South American then they will all pass with flying colors (red white and blue of course)
Trump in recent tweets
You say illegal doesn’t count what you think
Lololol! So are you serious or are you just doing satire now? This can’t be real hahahaha
What or who are you talking about. If in Daca by law you cant be a felon as trump incorrectly tweeted his 14001 lie
DACA isn’t a law and if you came into the country illegally, we who did not come in illegally can fairly calls those people illegals. If you don’t like that wording, tough shit man.
Its an executive order which is a recognized order.
Trump called them criminal criminals not just misdemeanor illegals immigrants .
Exactly. It’s an executive order. Laws are voted on by ligatures and signed into law by the executive. So by definition, it is not a law.
How about Yes they get to stay and then we shut down all other illegal immigration and no one else ever gets to stay again? We can’t just keep letting waves of illegals come, not stop any of them, and then just let them stay. The cycle needs to stop.
Take 800000 viable people out of the economy would not be in your best interest.
Most illegals cost more than they pay in taxes.
I’m not even saying send everyone back like you are. I am saying, stop the flow. That’s always why this boils down to. It’s not so much who is here already, but when are we going to stop letting any of them in and letting any future invaders stay? We have to say Enough at some point. Why can’t this time be it? The illegal kids get to stay and we get to stop all others from ever coming again.
I also reject the premise that deporting all illegals would hurt me personally economically. I don’t rely on illegal labor for much if anything and higher paying jobs for Americans would be worth it.
Even if we let in double the amount. Or triple, how many would be in the upper half of the population that actually pay taxes? The lower half pay zero and the bottom 1/3 or getting paid by everyone else. So if 90% we let in are low skilled, how is that helping me if I have to make it up with higher taxes to send them benefits?
Dude you know thats totally incorrect. Use facts next time.
You just got a huge tax cut , so try another false defense.
Umm I did use facts and idk why you are complaining about your tax cut. You are blinded by your hatred. You could use some chill bro. I don’t want you having a heart attack.
Who are you talking to BlackC?
Dude people making below $30 k pay sales tax, income tax, vehicle tax, school fees, tariff tax ,
We are talking about federal income tax don’t get lost.
People below $30,000 do not pay federal income taxes. They do pay social security and medicare. You can’t get out of that. But they will refund more than you paid in withholding to make sure you don’t pay anything.
And school fees are from property taxes. You pay that if you rent or own. But again. That’s local in nature and not what we’re talking about.
You cant get out of that? So you are calling people of little income slugs on the fat cats of America?
I never said that. Where did you get that. I said that it was nice that they don’t have to pay federal income taxes. Unlike your socialist countries that you emulate. They make the poor pay 60% taxes.
But they get much more in services then they would by themselves
Hypothically if a person paid 60% of income but also had to pay 1500 mon in premiums with no preexisting conditions insurance plus 8000 in deductibles. A savings would be incurred plus prevention of going bankrupt to pay for a severe healthcare Problem .
Who in the hell has a health care plan that costs $1500 PER MONTH?! Maybe per year, but that is not a monthly cost in America. Your hyperbole and clearly inaccurate statements must be corrected.
Obviuosly you never had Cobra or independent insurance not provided by an employer. Thats on low side and if Repos get their way and get rid of medicare and medicaid and obamacare millions will go bankrupt
n 2017, the average annual premium cost for employer-sponsored health insurance was $6,690 for individual coverage and $18,764 for family coverage. But employers covered 82% of the costs for individuals and 69% for families on average. With COBRA insurance, you're on the hook for the whole thing.
You do realize Cobra only lasts for 3 months right? So yearly is still incorrect.
Ya but unless you cant afford insurance after the crap policys out there are this expensive. I know we had one for awhile. If Trumpians get their way , even with your cheap company insurance ,which by the way ,the company picks up biggest share of premiums, pre-existing conditions goes away, you will go bankrupt if you had anything the insurance companies will call everything pre existing and your on your own. This was this way prior to Obama.
What’s the hit to the economy of pushing them out?
How much do we strengthen other countries by giving them a trained workforce?
You can’t back people into a corner and expect something good to happen.
It’s foreign aid to send trained, educated, motivated and socially woke citizens of other countries back to their birth country.
We awn them cash why not him a capital that was born there, knows the language and culture and can help make positive change - why is that reserved for the US?
Just curious, when people break into other countries in the world, does that country call them dreamers too? Wondering if this is an American phenomenon to fetishize and politicize literal criminals
Try buying land in Mexico.
Do I have to?
As Reagan said We are the beacon on the hill
That’s just part of the quote, Reagan went on to say “we are the beacon on the hill, and we need to let our country be overrun by illegals unlike any other country. We need to destroy our borders, our culture, and ourselves”
I’m not sure if it was a metaphor or what
Typical TrumpNutz bullshit bat shit crazy bullshit.
Are you having a stroke?
They should say thank you for the education and work experience I will go back to the country of my birth, where my extended family is, where I speak the language and and very familiar with the customs and effectuate change like I have been taught here in the US.
Thank you to the USA for the excellent education and drive to be an agent of change in the parts of the world that need it most - I will make you proud of your investment - a new kind of foreign aid - people who are smart, hard working and very woke (we have been told every single DACA recipient has these characteristics) - our gift to the world.
Why should we all the global talent? Why should other countries not have their “best and brightest” citizens help make them a better place. Why can’t other countries reap the benefits of educated, motivated, intelligent, compassionate citizens of their countries?
Why is whitey America stealing and hoarding all the minority human capital talent - is that not racist?
Yes without question, these are people that know no other country, we educated them and have contributed much to our community and some have served our country with honor, why should we deny them the rights they duly deserve.
Know no other country?
Except the one they celebrate national holidays in the US for, except the one whose flag is omnipresent all over the US, except the one they celebrate cultural holidays for, except the one whose language they speak, except the one who’s foods and cultural traditions are part of their everyday life.
Don’t be a lemming and repeat talking points.
They have a permanent solution to stay it’s called becoming a citizen through the proper channels already in place.
Another Democratic unlawful scam.$hitting on our laws and process.
has been over 160 days since House Democrats passed H.R. 6, the American Dream and Promise Act. It’s been gathering dust on McConnell’s desk ever since.
Amnesty bill? Rewarding illegal acts? Not interested
They should go to the front of the line (which their presence indicates they already are) ahead of all the other people and kids who are waiting legally. Thats fair, right?
Nope, but the offer should be that they have a chance to be here legally, as long as they follow the process
Footnote...there already is a legal “process” that they skirted, whether they knew it or not.
I understand, and I also get that DACA is an unconstitutional pile of democrat feces. It needs to be eliminated and something better in its place
Should the pressure be on the US to make a new law or the illegal aliens to just simply follow the law?
You get to stay - you can’t sponsor any family members.
The whole thing is a scam to get to amnesty for the parents who will be rewarded for their unlawful acts.
Dreamers have passed FBI background checks. They have no criminal record. We should offer them a path to citizenship.
The they sponsor the parents and the whole illegal activity is rewarded.
They’ve been here too long. We can’t do it now
What about mom and dad - they have to stay too because they have been here too long?
Grant then legality and the hue and cry will be about family separation - if DACA stays the whole family stays.
I’m not advocating for them to be forced to leave I’m saying they’ve been here too long to force that
That argument is silly - if you are a criminal and mange to avoid detection for long enough we should forget the crime.
It’s obvious the outcome and plan - DACA gets legalized and then become citizens who then sponsor their parents who then are rewarded for illegally entering the country as thousands of others wait in the legal line.
What do you think statutes of limitations are for? Also it is my belief that if you are here for 1/10th of the average local lifespan you should become a naturalized citizen
There is no statue of limitations on immigration law.
Acknowledged, but the principle holds
By legalizing DACA it is effectively legalizing the parents or do you support family separation?
They can all be together- in the country of their birth.
My cot principal on this matter is stated above, I’m not interested in making exceptions to the underage
So 1/10 th of an average lifespan is your barometer - of 65 is the average life span - seven years we can deport - eight years gets to stay?
Your numbers are off but the idea is almost there. If 65 is the average then 7 years=citizen, less=I’m undecided but yeah I lean deport
Sorry - if 75 is the average lifespan that means 1/10 is 7.5 years - it was illegally implemented in June 2012 - that’s not quite 7.5 years so we can still deport them until January.
See what happens when you make up excuses for your barometer of beliefs?
I thought it was 2010, ok never mind I’m undecided
Now you have me really confused?
You want to deport people under 7 years old or who have been here less than 7 years and keep people over 7 years old or who have been here for over 7 years?
Dreamers came here as children, not of their own accord. To send them back would be cruel and there was no legitimate reason given for the EO. Dems included wall money for DACA but it was refused. However deflection solely onto dems is expected.
This is what the Dems will be blamed for.....this is so simple......meet at the table.
Enabling and rewarding their parents illegal activity by making their partners citizens like their kids is the lefty end game.
Only a tried and true lefty would decry the failure of a program passed only by lefties, supported by lefties, championed by lefties as a “deflection” if it goes down in flames.
Uh huh and why is that?
There is nothing in it to address the border issues, or the ACTUAL immigration issues. It’s an amnesty bill for up to and over 2 million illegal aliens.
I’m responding to the question and the comments being made that the a Democrat’s are doing nothing and have abandoned Dreamers. The bill is on McConnell’s desk along with several hundred more. He’s stonewalling the legislative process for his own political gain. But, I guess, that’s all good with you.
The House can pass a Bill calling the moon Venus knowing it has no chance to pass in the Senate.
To be fair Ryan tried to sell the same argument and it was false then as it is now.
No it’s not good with me, but specific to that amnesty bill - the house can do better.
To each their own I don't think a blanket of legislation is good enough I think it should be tried on an individual case basis.
Congress decides, inaction is a decision.
Some of them
DACA is under consideration before the Supreme Court this week. The arguments are a bit different than in the past and both Trump and Sessions may not be successful in this case. If the government’s case fails, Mr Sessions and Trump may then be sued for skirting the law so closely they tripped up.
They were allowed to stay illegally by the Obama Administration. The Democrats have refused offers to compromise on letting them stay. Imho any agreement on a pathway for citizenship or permanent status should be accompanied by compromise from the Democrats to provide legislation and funding to help solve our present border crisis.
The odds of this happening are imho are low as the Democrats have basically abandoned the DACA cause.
As it should be.
No. And you’re contentions above are wrong.
Trump already offered them a deal to make them permanent and the Democrats rejected it. I’m surprised you’re so ignorant on the subject
I do believe you have that backwards. You just might want to check.
Ebola, Democrats would never do what you are asking. They need the chaos to sell the “Republicans are hateful racist” narrative.
If there was a moment to find a solution for DACA is now. With the economy like it is today, we can afford it. But Dems would never give Trump that kind of win.
Agree. They’re the obstructionists here.