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They tried that after Vatican II and it failed. In fact, right now the more traditional parishes are thriving while modernized Catholic churches are largely failing. In my experience, every traditional parish I have been to is filled with many young & devoted families while older Catholics generally go to the modernized parishes.

Here’s an article about just one case with the FSSP, though there are many other examples: www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/traditional-catholic-parishes-grow-even-as-us-catholicism-declines

Really? How interesting!

Yeah, that’s the point

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We’re celebrating Christ’s Paschal Mystery, why wouldn’t it be formal?

Okaaaay... What are you talking about “formal” and what does it have anything to do with my comment?

Ritualistic...strict. It HAS to be. Why would it be any other way?

It does not have to be strict. As in: There’s no reason why priests should not be able to marry. No reason why women should not be pastors of churches. No reason why the church can’t be a bit more liberal in its policies: divorce, gays, etc.

Priests are married to the Church. Marriage is sacred and divorce ruins it. And gays molest kids so we don’t want em

Gays don’t molest kids you ignoramus.

I mean they literally do, but you’re talking about gay marriage yeah? Again, marriage is sacred. For procreation

I mean they literally do not, and you are literally trolling. Goodbye dunce.

Thanks Kscott, very cool

So many people have predicted this in the last 2,000 years and it has never come into fruition.

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“Time is an illusion.”

That’s a good first step to denying the intelligibility of reality.

“The veil is being lifted. Religion is being exposed as a fraud. Don’t confuse that with saying that Jesus Christ and God aren’t real. They’re very much real. “Religion” is the fraud.”

How do you define religion?

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My parish is building a bigger church building. Our current one only seats 2000 at maximum capacity, and people still end up sitting out in the narthex every weekend because there just isn’t enough room at most of the 7 masses offered between Saturday night and Sunday.

And the parish decided, by an overwhelming margin, to make the building more traditional, with a larger perpetual adoration chapel, and an additional chapel off to the side of the main church so we could still have daily masses when the main church is needed for funerals or school events.

And close to 90% of our parishioners made special donations to make this all happen.

In other words, the Catholics I know are committed to their faith, and they express that faith in community with one another, not in the meaningless, unaccountable, self-important manner of those churchless self-defined “me alone” christians who excuse their own laziness and refusal to connect with other believers by claiming their rejection of the community of believers is itself some sort of higher calling.

Those people are generally one step (or YouTube video) away from abject atheism, and, like atheists, they see religion failing everywhere, not because it actually is failing, but because they are out of touch with the community of believers.


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If you start asking me leading questions, I’m just going to make fun you.

State your opinions. That second part of your statement was better form, although it was still nonsense because Jesus was not a new age hippy.

The Catholic Church is the Church Christ established, if that’s what you’re getting at.
I’m sure you don’t agree, and I’m sure any explanations I offer you would be a waste of my time.

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We’ve discussed those issues before.
Do you have anything new today?

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No. They’re just still things you don’t seem to understand.

I’m moving on. There’s a good daily catholic podcast by former evangelicals and “me alone” christians like yourself who are now well respected catholic scholars. I suggest you check it out.

podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/catholic-answers-live/id129684370

And, on a related note, one of those apologists, a man named Jimmy Akin, who used to be a conspiracy nut and “me alone” Christian like you, hosts a spin-off podcasts called “Jimmy Akin’s Mysterious World,” in which he addresses crazy conspiracy issues, urban legends, and other similar issues- but with a logical, critical, objective perspective.

I suggest you check that out, too-


podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/jimmy-akins-mysterious-world

The cutoff bug does not respect complete links-


podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/jimmy-akins-mysterious-world/id1423288932

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KScott, If there’s no organized church or religion, how does Matthew 18:15-17 work?

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See, he doesn’t even understand basic concepts, like the difference between “a” church, and “the” Church.
I’ve gone around and around with this guy for a long time now- he’s the definition of invincible ignorance.

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You’re still not getting it.

Nobody anywhere is arguing that the church Christ came to establish is the building or building that people build.
Nobody thinks Jesus was running a real estate scheme.

Of course the Church is comprised of the faithful.
We all know that.

The reason I pointed out that my parish is building a new church is not because I think that’s what the Church is.
It was to demonstrate for you that the Church- the body of faithful Christians- is growing and optimistic about our future.
So much so, that we don’t have enough room in the building where we currently worship together.

Does that help?

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Smh you are dense. I just read that over and it’s almost exactly the same language I used to explain this topic to my kindergartener.

I see that, MD.

KS, Jesus can’t be referring to just “other Christians” in that verse because he makes a distinction between telling other Christians I.e. the two or three witnesses and someone going to the church which possesses final authority.

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“I fully understood your church expansion explanation.”

No, you didn’t. Because you repeated the same error several times.

I stopped reading there because anything you might say from that comment would only be some weak effort to reframe your error and pretend you meant something else.

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Ok, now we’re going backwards.

This is the part where I just shake my head and move on, and you declare victory like some sort of impotent rapist.

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I’ve answered all of your questions before, kscott. I’m not going to keep answering the same lame questions people like you have been stuck on for the last several hundred years.

Come up with new material or stop complaining.

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Don’t waste time with your questions.
Just state your crazy opinions. Have enough confidence in your convictions to just put your theories out there and allow people to evaluate them, instead of always setting yourself up as the question asker and answer evaluator.
That’s a typical rhetorical trick of conspiracy nuts And other people who are trying to assume power positions in discourse.


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You haven’t presented any facts.
You’ve only asked your lame leading questions and then told me I was wrong.

And I was right. You don’t have enough confidence in whatever crackpot theory you have about the author of Revelation to just say it outright.

I bet it was aliens. I bet you believe aliens from the future wrote the book of revelation.


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Oh! And I bet your answer involves secret scrolls!
Guys like you looooove secret scrolls!!

And crystal skulls!
Did a crystal skull write the book of revelation!?

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And now you’re bouncing back to another topic.

You’re all over the place, kscott!

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So, not going to answer your own question about john, huh?

Another dead end conversation with kscott.

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Yep. I’m super upset that you don’t approve of my church. Thanks for sharing your concern.

And yep- not surprised you’ve attached yourself to another nutty theory.

Wait, you think Cerinthus, a gnostic, wrote the book of Revelation and you still consider it a part of the Biblical canon?

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Typical “me alone” Christian.

Protestant: “I believe in sola scriptura!”

Catholic: “Ok, then please notice that the scripture says....”

Protestant: “that’s not part of my Bible! I reject any scripture that doesn’t support my beliefs!”

Okay, I give it five months before you start rejecting other Biblical texts.

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You’re not a member of an Apostolic church and your theological approach began with the Protestant branch of Christianity during the Reformation.

If you’re not Protestant, then what are you?

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He’s a “me alone” Christian.
I keep saying that, but it fits, and it’s the best designation for his type.


And even if you reject the Protestant label, you fit the pattern of behavior I laid out.

That reminds me- I need to come up with a trump-style nickname for you.
“Krazy Kscott” is my first pick, but it’s a work in progress.

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Lmao, nice attempt to avoid the question, Kscott. All three of us have already talked to you about all those things but you simply refuse to listen. Either actually answer the questions and don’t divert attention to other things when you’re backed into a corner, or don’t respond at all.

“I’m a Christian that believes in the Word of God”

Except that you apparently only believe the Word of God when it fits your preconceived ideologica structure. That’s not faith, that’s convenience.

KS, your rejection of Revelation is somewhat ironic because this “me alone Christianity” as Milkdud rightfully calls it is more similar to traditional Gnosticism than probably any other religion in the modern world.

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Sounds like something Cerinthus would say.

To pretend as if 2000 years of church traditions, theological study, and history have simply not occurred is a very Protestant way of viewing the Christian faith

Well, that makes sense because kscott is one of those people who thinks he’s smarter than 2000 years of Christians who came before him.
He’s smart enough to figure out some “in plain sight” conspiracy billions of Christians before him were too dumb to grasp.

He’s guilty of pathological pride. As are most conspiracy nuts.

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Wow...your ass is really chapped when it comes to the church, huh Scott? I only ever see you get this worked up over the Obamas. You’ve got to get off the internet and take in mother nature.

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There we go. That’s more like the misguided Scotty I know. Now you’re accusing me of affirming child abuse by priests. Low hanging fruit. Try elevating yourself to where the rest of society lives.

Just take those old bibles off the shelf...

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Literally no one believes “progress means change.” Progress means specific changes, not just any change.

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