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I enjoyed both but thought it was cool that Laverne and Shirley were in Wisconsin.

They were both set in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. I think happy days was technically in the suburbs, but both were set in Wisconsin.

I guess I never knew that.

So did I

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No, I haven’t

Dang, one day, you need to make a trip to this side of the state. 💩😎💯

Someday, it’s painful for me to drive very long or sit very long.

That’s too bad. I hope you’ll find a treatment that helps alleviate your pain.

I don’t know if there is anything that really helps the pain that com s with osteoarthritis and fibromyalgia. I am on Gabapentin and have a muscle relaxer. I can’t drive when I take my muscle relaxer.

I wouldn’t drive on muscle relaxers. I hope you have more better days.

I was able to take a shower today without getting dizzy or nauseous. Some days are better than others.

That’s good! Sounds like a win 💩😎

Yes! 😺👍🏽

@anniepoops & snagglepuss2
Bronze Fonz pic.

www.dropbox.com/s/bteag1uyz6iim56/Bronze%20Fonz.jpg?dl=0

Yep! I even have a picture with it. 💩

Wow that must have been something to make!

It’s right on the river, too. It’s a nice place to stay for a second and take in the city.

Did the Cunningham’s remind you of your family?

No, but the time period was the same.

Weren’t they about the same time?

My impression was that Lavern & Shirley were later in life because they were working girls instead of High School girls.

I looked it up and they first appeared on a double date with the Fonz. Their show as a spin-off of Happy Days.

Thanks.

You’re welcome

Awesome

My Mom was a teen in the 50s. It wasn’t all fun and games. Women didn’t have much independence.

I would have LOVED that! As you know, I was a homemaker and SAHM. But I knew as soon as ERA was passed that it would NOT give ALL of us the options we wanted. It would only give those that work outside the home the options THEY wanted and would eventually end up penalizing those of us who wanted to stay home with our kids. That’s EXACTLY what happened and SAHM’s have to SACRIFICE things that other families take for granted, unless their hubbies are pulling down big bucks!

I would have fit in much more with women in the 50’s. I feel like I was born too late.

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You have such a narrow view

That’s just been my experience, and I would have fit in much better in the 50’s, when being a SAHM was valued, when families could make it and even excel on ONE income, and families spent more time together.

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And I’m wondering why you’re questioning and denigrating me, when @auntiesamm said much the same thing about that she enjoyed the 50’s and thought it was wonderful, but you’re complimenting her for saying that?

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You can thank Republican policies for the erosion of the middle class.

I don’t believe that. I believe ERA did it. But what does that have to do with your denigrating me?

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How did I denigrate you?

Well, first of all you disagreed with me, saying it wasn’t all good (which you didn’t tell her) and then you said I have a narrow view, which you also didn’t tell her....and she mentioned how that she loved that time period. Why the push back to me, but not to her?

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Yes, I still disagree with you. You share your views but never accept anyone else’s. Then you post a ton of links to push your views. I don’t appreciate that.

I don’t know her that well. She just shared she had fond memories. She didn’t generalize based on her experiences that she knew everything about problems people face.

Are you trying to have a conversation or are you trying to get me to agree with you?

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I accept that you think that it wasn’t a great time, because you wanted more independence for women. That’s fine. I’m just telling you my views....that I think ERA penalized women that want to stay home with their kids. I hope you can accept my views as well.

There have been many younger women that have told me they’d LOVE to stay home with their kids but they can’t compete in a world where the majority of families have two working parents. I’ve read many articles that say the same thing....but I’m sure you wouldn’t appreciate my posting the articles that back my beliefs, would you?

You don’t have to agree with me. I just wish you wouldn’t denigrate me, saying that my beliefs are narrow. I could very well say that your beliefs are narrow because you can’t see where I am coming from.

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I can see where you are coming from. That’s your experience. I just can’t accept generalizations.

Which part did you feel was a generalization?

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That all stay at home Moms are disrespected and not given choices.

I’m not saying that they’re disrespected by all people, but some people DO disrespect all homemakers. I’ve been attacked viciously here on SoH for being a homemaker. I was told that all homemakers are lazy and worth nothing.

And many that want to stay at home with their kids do NOT have the option to do so because it now takes two salaries to survive. So women that WANT to work outside the home have the choice to do that, but the majority of women that WANT to stay home can’t do so, without having to sacrifice greatly to do so.

For instance, we couldn’t go on family vacations that other families that have two breadwinners take for granted. We could only afford one vehicle. We had to buy used clothes and furniture. We had to make do and do without things that others take for granted.

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The EPA was passed but not ratified. I don’t understand how the RPA affected SAHM?

Did you mean the ERA?

You chose to stay home. You chose to have a family. I don’t see how anyone is to blame for your choices

People on this app can be teenagers. They don’t represent mainstream America. There are lots of families in the same boat as you. In fact there are couples not having kids because they can’t afford it and both are working.

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Yes, the ERA

I’m not saying that anyone is to blame for my choices. I’m saying that the push for women to work gives THEM the choice they want, but penalizes those that want to stay home with their kids, because now those couples have to compete with couples that have two salaries. So it really only gave TRUE choices to those that wanted to work outside the home. Everyone else has to sacrifice to do what they want.

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Snag; How Tolerant of another's view and opinion.

What BS Snag....

4JC are you saying that couples who both work are to blame for SAHM making sacrifices?

No, I’m saying that women going to work only gave women that are going to work outside the home choices. It took away choices from those that choose to stay home with their kids. They don’t get tax breaks like women that work. They have to do without and compete with those that have two incomes, so their children have to do without the things that the kids of women that put work over their children don’t have to do without.

I’m saying that it takes choices away from mothers who won’t to stay home with their kids but can’t afford to because they can’t make it on one salary like ALL families used to be able to make it on one salary. I knew as soon as women started entering the workforce this is how it would end up for those that wanted to stay home with their kids....they wouldn’t be able to do what THEY wanted to do, and women that work outside the home instead of staying home with their kids WOULD.

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Thanks, Fitz!

How do women going to work affect SAHM choices?

You get tax breaks for having kids.

There are SAHM that don’t make sacrifices. They live quite well.

I don’t think you are looking at the big picture. There are other things affecting the life of a SAHM. You depend on your spouse to provide. You need to live within that income. What type of job they have and benefits that job provides determines your choices.

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I’ve already explained this to you several times. ALL parents that have kids get tax breaks, but SAHM’s don’t get the income that working moms do, and they don’t get tax breaks for working. They don’t get any subsidies for putting their kids above a job. The only SAHMs that don’t make sacrifices and are doing well are those whose husbands are pulling down hundreds of thousands of dollars. That’s not the average family.

There are many families that are barely making it on $20-$30K a year because the wife is sacrificing to bring her children up herself instead of turning them over to day cares and schools.

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Do you not understand that the standard of living has gone up tremendously since women entered the workforce? It used to be that people were satisfied with a small house, one car, and no vacations. Now, families want larger homes, at least 2 cars, electronics, week or 2 week vacations that cost thousands of dollars, etc.

I’ve even seen a huge difference just in the level that people go to now for birthday parties for kids, spending HUNDREDS of dollars on a party. Many parents who work full time are trying to buy their kids off with toys, games, electronics, instead of spending time with them, and it’s to the detriment of thee kids.

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I’m just really glad that being a SAHM is on the upswing, and more couples are WANTING the wife to stay home with the kids! I’m proud that many of them are making it happen, even if they DO have to sacrifice!

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Where exactly is this income supposed to come from? How do you get tax breaks when you don’t work? There are tax breaks for married couples. There are tax breaks for families. If you qualify there is homestead credit. What you are saying doesn’t make sense to me.

The average family has been shrinking to the point that people choose not to have one. It just costs too much. People are working but low wage job with limited hours and in many cases benefits they can’t use.

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Do you not understand that the cost of living has gone up because of inflation?

During WWII women had to go to work. Are women supposed to only stay at home and have kids? Where’s the choice in that?

That’s the American Dream is it not?

That’s liberty! If people want to throw parties that’s their right.

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I think each family should do what works for them.

The average family is shrinking because people put money above kids. They think they have to have multiple cars, multiple houses, granite countertops, stainless steel appliances, game systems, 2 week vacations that cost thousands of dollars, etc. I’ve even had people here tell me that they’re not having kids because kids are a BURDEN instead of seeing them the way we do, as a BLESSING!

You don’t have to have hundreds of thousands of dollars to raise kids. We did it on $20K! I’m just saying that SAHM’s sacrifice to do so, and you can’t seem to understand that.

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I agree that each family should do what’s right for them.....but because most women now work, it makes it hard for those that WANT to stay home to do so. They can’t compete with those that DO work outside the home.

Let me ask you this....wouldn’t you think it’s harder to raise a family on $20K when all the other families have double or triple that amount because both parents are working?

I’m just asking you to have a little compassion on those that have to SACRIFICE to do what they feel is best for their families!

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You think all Americans put money before kids?

If two people are working it’s likely they each need a car. Even with a SAHM two cars are necessary to take kids to school activities and to grocery shop, etc. Public transportation isn’t always an option.

The only people living the way you describe are very wealthy. The average American is busting their ass to have one home.

People should be earning vacations. It’s OK to take a break and spend time with your family and friends.

Not everyone desires to have kids. They are not required to.

You think I don’t understand but I do know what it takes to raise a family. My Mom stayed home when we lived on the farm. Not everyone lives in a state where it’s possible to raise a family on one income. You raised your kids at a different time and your husband is a pastor. You can’t expect everyone to live as you have or desire the life you have. People are different and that’s OK.

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I disagree. Working women have nothing to do with the women that choose to stay home. Blaming them for your life is foolish and unreasonable.

Why do they need to compare?

Of course it’s hard to raise a family on $20K. It’s hard to raise a family on $50K. You can’t blame others for how they live their lives. A family living on $20K would qualify for food stamps, state healthcare, WIC, etc.

I am a very compassionate person. I just think you’re not seeing my side. You raised your kids. They are all grown. Your views are dated. You are not taking into account the times people live in now.

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No, two cars are NOT necessary. You can do what WE had to do. I would take hubby to work, & then spend all day doing chores & then pick him up at the end of the day. I had to stay in town all day with my newborn because we couldn’t afford the gas for me to go back home, which was 30 miles away. Two cars are absolutely NOT necessary if you’re a SAHM. That’s what I’m talking about. You do WITHOUT! We NEVER had public transportation.

Yes, it’s ok to spend time on vacation, but many families make SACRIFICES of vacations for the mom to stay home with the kids. That’s what I’m TRYING to get you to understand!

I’m not talking about people that don’t want to have kids. I’m talking about the sacrifices that those that choose to stay home with their kids make.

Why do you say that I raised my family in a different time? My daughter graduated from high school just 6 years ago, in the midst of the recession.

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I’m not expecting everyone to live as we did. I’m trying to help you understand that many families that choose for the wife to stay home have to do without, but you don’t seem to be getting that!

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I AM taking into account the times that people live in now, and it’s even harder NOW for them to stay at home with their kids than it was for me, because things are more expensive! I’m just trying to get you to understand that many families sacrifice for the mom to stay home with their kids....something they did NOT have to do when ALL moms stayed at home with their kids because they weren’t having to compete with two salary families!

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Why do you want so little for people? Because you went without they should too? Sitting in town all day with a newborn is best for that newborn?

You don’t have to lecture me on sacrifices. You have no idea what my life has been.

People of all walks of life make sacrifices in life. You’re not the only one. SAHM aren’t unique to sacrifices.

You have grandkids in school. Do you think it’s the same time when you have grandkids in school?

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No, you’re not understanding me. I’ve said several times that many ARE having to live that way because they choose to stay at home with their kids.

I’m not saying that others don’t make sacrifices. I’m saying that those that do stay home with their kids make more, monetarily speaking, because they’re giving up an ENTIRE INCOME for life!

I have grandkids in school, but I also have a CHILD that graduated just 6 years ago, during the recession. We REALLY struggled during those years!
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What don’t I understand?

No one has to live any way. If you choose it, that’s your choice.

So a SAHM makes more sacrifices than a navy seal or a marine?

A working Mom makes sacrifices too.

If having children is a sacrifice of income, I guess that’s a sacrifice that’s worth making or women wouldn’t do it.

A lot of Americans suffered during the recession. Once kids are in school you don’t have to stay home. You can work while they are in school.

My niece is a single Mom working full time at a daycare so she can be with her daughter. She was a SAHM who found out her husband was cheating on her.

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Yes, a SAHM makes more MONETARY sacrifices than almost anyone else. It’s really hard to find a job that has school hours. And most homemakers/SAHMs don’t work outside the home because they feel the kids AND the home are their full time jobs, so that they don’t have to spend all weekend catching up on chores that don’t get done during the week.

That’s great that your niece is able to work at the daycare. Is her daughter in her classroom? I worked at a daycare at one time, but wasn’t allowed to have my child with me. I’ve had to do a lot of part time jobs to help make ends meet.

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Yes! Milwaukee