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thatguy2 November 5th, 2019 10:30pm

Nine Americans were tragically murdered by a Mexican drug cartel. Numerous polls have suggested we now take military action against the cartel. Are these 9 American lives worth more than the untold 1000s of Mexicans murdered by the cartels?

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lj74
11/06/19 11:22 am

I don’t think anyone is suggesting that the 9 are “worth more” than the thousands already killed by the cartels. What some of us are saying is that we are passed the time where action is required and if the Mexican government can’t or won’t do it, then we need to. Combo of a wall with its electronic countermeasures and boots on ground to destroy the cartels.

Diogenes ...
11/05/19 8:22 pm

No. But they’re Americans killed in an adjacent country to ours along the border and Sinaloa cartel is a direct threat to our National Security.

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GlockMan1 Alabama
11/05/19 6:49 pm

We have the drones and can take out any drug cartel leader....but Mexico will not allow it.

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suppressedID Honor RBGs Wish
11/05/19 5:38 pm

Donald cares. He’s following Ukrainian laws so closely, I’m sure he was just about to get to this.

smart1
11/05/19 4:39 pm

They had dual Mexico - US citizenship and lived in northern Mexico. So they were just as Mexican as they were Americans. Their citizenship isn’t the issue. The issue is that 9 people were slaughtered.

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thatguy2 I am Antifa
11/05/19 4:44 pm

Clearly it isn’t given that people are slaughtered everyday.

badattitude no place like home
11/05/19 6:24 pm

People are slaughtered every day. But you as an American President or anyone can do anything about it unless they ask. Still. Since they had American citizenship, our FBI will be working with their investigators to find the perpetrators. That’s how it always works. They do the same here for their authorities. And don’t think that we don’t help the Mexican government with our drones to get the bad guys. We have all kinds of assistance behind the scenes.

badattitude no place like home
11/05/19 6:28 pm

My wife is of Mexican descent born in America. When she was 6 months old, Her Housekeeper kidnapped her and took her to Mexico. Our FBI working with their counterparts in Mexico found her and returned her to her mother in the states. That was 1970. This is how it’s always worked. And how it’s working right now.

thatguy2 I am Antifa
11/05/19 6:39 pm

Now explain how any of that is relevant to SOH polls outraged because it was Americans killed this time.

badattitude no place like home
11/05/19 6:42 pm

We’re outraged because they were women and children. Babies shot in their carseats. How does this not outrage you?

badattitude no place like home
11/05/19 6:43 pm

And you want open borders. Dumb

thatguy2 I am Antifa
11/05/19 6:48 pm

Same outrage as if they were from any other country, and no, I don’t want open borders.

badattitude no place like home
11/05/19 6:49 pm

Well thank the gods for that.

badattitude no place like home
11/05/19 6:51 pm

Okay. So you do get that it hits home when American women and children are slaughtered on the road no matter where they are right? And we don’t understand why. Who would just murder babies in car seats? Animals? Not even animals act that evil. So we want justice.

badattitude no place like home
11/05/19 6:53 pm

That’s it. Nothing more. Now it’s our neighbors and coworkers. Not just international news about some atrocities in Africa or something. Sure it’s not right that we don’t feel the same for those slaughtered in foreign countries. But we don’t have any ties to them. These people look like our neighbors. They sound like our neighbors. This could have been us driving to our vacation hotel.

thatguy2 I am Antifa
11/05/19 6:54 pm

So you do value American people over others. Thanks for finally admitting it

badattitude no place like home
11/05/19 6:54 pm

It’s just human nature when we get more attached to a story like this. Sorry. Blame DNA

thatguy2 I am Antifa
11/05/19 6:55 pm

You mean they’re white. I know.

badattitude no place like home
11/05/19 6:57 pm

No. You don’t get it. The story hits home when it’s Americans. It’s not that they’re more valuable. How do you not get that. You see a story about a family burned out of their home in winter on the other side of the country with nothing but the clothes on their backs, it’s news. But when it’s your next door neighbor you get involved, it’s personal. Don’t you see that?

thatguy2 I am Antifa
11/05/19 6:59 pm

I see that you view foreigners (PoC) as less than.

badattitude no place like home
11/05/19 7:03 pm

You’re virtue signaling. You don’t get to say that you’re a better person because of some weird understanding of the world. It’s basic human nature that people closer to you invoke deeper feelings. I think that you missed something in childhood.

badattitude no place like home
11/05/19 7:06 pm

I grew up overseas in a fly infested Asian neighborhood. My friends and I played in the trash together And threw rocks at giant asian rats. Don’t tell me how I view people from Third World countries. Those are my people. So ho back to your pristine American neighborhood with your virtue.

thatguy2 I am Antifa
11/05/19 7:06 pm

Some were understanding that all people are created equal?

thatguy2 I am Antifa
11/05/19 7:08 pm

I bet you have a black friend too.

badattitude no place like home
11/05/19 7:10 pm

And asian, and Native American, and Spanish, and Irish, and French, and Scottish. What’s your point?

badattitude no place like home
11/05/19 7:11 pm

Okay. So do you understand now? The news understands how much a story that is close to home will sell better. This is journalism 101

thatguy2 I am Antifa
11/05/19 7:14 pm

Yeah, they understand how common this bias is. The fact that it’s so common doesn’t justify it.

badattitude no place like home
11/05/19 7:18 pm

Well. You’re right that it’s sad that we don’t feel more for people that are very distant to us. Which is why they have those 5 minute long commercials on starving children to get you emotionally invested. It does work. Maybe we need to have those for the innocent Mexicans being slaughtered by the cartel. Or the poor Chinese being slaughtered because they were practicing a silly exercise called Falun Gong.

Think Lovin Life
11/05/19 4:20 pm

Guy ... this is yet another moronic wrongheaded poll! The base premise is ridiculous. To do nothing means there will be more deaths. Action must be taken to prevent more.

Using your sophomoric logic, we clearly need no gun control because those killed are already dead.

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thatguy2 I am Antifa
11/05/19 4:24 pm

Action only needs to be taken when Americans are killed? Mexican lives aren’t worth it to you? Who said the violence is going to stop? Can you form a coherent thought?

Think Lovin Life
11/05/19 4:37 pm

Guy ... where do you come up with your diluted ideas? Who — OTHER THAN YOU — said that we are on interested when Americans die?

badattitude no place like home
11/05/19 6:29 pm

You don’t have to be an ass thatguy. Have a discussion for once without your emotional bullshït.

badattitude no place like home
11/05/19 6:31 pm

But that’s a great poll idea. Mexican gun violence is what happens when you ban guns. There’s your example of how it’s going to work for America.

Krosskaos Ohio
11/05/19 4:14 pm

A good sentiment, but the drug cartels will not go down easy.

FLSun Florida
11/05/19 3:58 pm

Classifying Cartels as terrorist organizations would be a game changer.

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thatguy2 I am Antifa
11/05/19 4:02 pm

It would allow us to engage in more endless wars?

qmastrangelo back again one day
11/05/19 3:42 pm

Each national government has a duty to protect their own citizens abroad. No one life is more valuable than another, but the American government is responsible for the lives of Americans in particular.

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WorstGooEver Nuke the Hurricanes
11/05/19 3:35 pm

No, but you generally don’t take military action because another country’s citizens are being killed by criminals.

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thatguy2 I am Antifa
11/05/19 3:37 pm

Was this a targeted killing of Americans?

Fact Fact
11/05/19 3:53 pm

The cartels act like ISIS on a regular basis. They deserve a few drone strikes.

badattitude no place like home
11/05/19 3:56 pm

I will gladly donate a few drones if the Mexican President requests it. I think we all would.

WorstGooEver Nuke the Hurricanes
11/05/19 4:35 pm

I wasn’t arguing either way. I was giving reasoning for wanting intervention in one case, but not the other.

SuperAgain They lie, Get Over It
11/05/19 8:04 pm

I believe these were Mormons who supported law and order and opposed the cartels politically in the region. ...being outspoken opposition is probably why they were targeted. (Not because they were Americans).

badattitude no place like home
11/05/19 8:06 pm

You’re probably right. Some news people said that they accidentally got in the way of a battle. That’s bull. They were targeted. Kids murdered in car seats didn’t accidentally get in the way.

smartfart Florida
11/05/19 3:33 pm

Probably not, but the military action was suggested by Trump during his morning Twitter grumpy (obviously without consulting any sort of expert on the subject).

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thatguy2 I am Antifa
11/05/19 3:35 pm

Twitter fingers loves to fantasize about being a tough guy.

thatguy2 I am Antifa
11/05/19 3:33 pm

Cuz it hurts your nationalist feelings?

badattitude no place like home
11/05/19 3:54 pm

What are you trying to prove? That you’re a communist? Because we’re starting to believe it.

thatguy2 I am Antifa
11/05/19 3:57 pm

WTF does communism have to do with anything?

badattitude no place like home
11/05/19 3:59 pm

Isn’t it the opposite of Nationalism that you so hate?

badattitude no place like home
11/05/19 4:02 pm

nationalism[ nash-uh-nl-iz-uh m, nash-nuh-liz- ]
noun

spirit or aspirations common to the whole of a nation.

devotion and loyalty to one's own country; patriotism.
excessive patriotism; chauvinism.
the desire for national advancement or political independence.
the policy or doctrine of asserting the interests of one's own nation viewed as separate from the interests of other nations or the common interests of all nations.
an idiom or trait peculiar to a nation.
a movement, as in the arts, based upon the folk idioms, history, aspirations, etc., of a nation.

Why do you reject a good thing? Is it because You prefer communism?

thatguy2 I am Antifa
11/05/19 4:04 pm

Nationalism is a cancer, much like religion, used to manipulate the dumb.

badattitude no place like home
11/05/19 4:36 pm

You’re a fool if you believe that

badattitude no place like home
11/05/19 4:46 pm

This poll has nothing to do with our conversation. So let’s make another one where we can have a dialogue. Anyway. So you cannot help yourself with these polls. You know that what happened was a huge horrific crime by cartel psychos. Why do have to act like this? Nobody thinks that anyone innocent is any more valuable than any other innocent. Regardless of where they’re from. You don’t think we’ve offered to help the Mexican government to get the cartel. Even Obama asked to help.

thatguy2 I am Antifa
11/05/19 4:52 pm

What are you even babbling about?

badattitude no place like home
11/05/19 6:17 pm

What, now you can’t read. Come on.

badattitude no place like home
11/05/19 6:19 pm

You want to write a poll that doesn’t protect your narrative? What do you really want to say?

thatguy2 I am Antifa
11/05/19 6:21 pm

That American lives are no more valuable than the lives of any citizens of any other country. It’s pretty fucking obviously. Try and keep up.

badattitude no place like home
11/05/19 6:33 pm

You obviously don’t get it. We cannot do anything about the slaughter of Mexican citizens in Mexico unless they ask. We can investigate the slaughter of Americans in Mexico and we will do just that. I will guarantee that our FBI is on scene right now with their Mexican counterparts.

thatguy2 I am Antifa
11/05/19 6:38 pm

You obviously don’t get it. This poll is about people outraged only because those killed were Americans. Your dumbass is out here having some phantom argument against positions you apparently assume I hold.

badattitude no place like home
11/05/19 6:40 pm

No. You’re asking if those Mormons were worth more than all those thousands killed by the cartel. That’s bullshït. And you know it.

thatguy2 I am Antifa
11/05/19 6:43 pm

Yeah, idiot, that’s what I said. What’s buIIshit? WTF are you talking about ?!

badattitude no place like home
11/05/19 6:44 pm

Your DTS is out of control.

thatguy2 I am Antifa
11/05/19 6:46 pm

😂 This literally has nothing to do with him, idiot.

badattitude no place like home
11/05/19 6:48 pm

Well what then. Because you’re obviously deranged.