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CMChristian November 3rd, 2019 8:07pm

Should Russia cede the province of Kola to Finland?

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ConservativeD Libertarian in disguise
11/03/19 2:13 pm

No country should have cede any territory back - these are dumb questions.

Countries that annex a location in war = victor go the spoils of war.

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CMChristian gone
11/03/19 2:42 pm

Finland won the winter war but didn't share in the spoils of war. The Soviet surrender wasnt unconditional. Kola, Petrozavodsk and surrounding regions around Karelia were taken by the Fins but remained Soviet territory post war. Perhaps the legitimacy of certain borders deserve questioning.

Senorix Virginia
11/03/19 2:51 pm

I see a fan of history and the Talivosta.

4boot LaTrineodeur, MN
11/03/19 10:38 pm

When did Finland win the Winter War? The war was basically a stalemate with a negotiated peace agreement in 1940 that gave Russia most of the land they demanded before they invaded Finland in 1939.

Stalin believed his massive army would make quick work of the vastly outnumbered and under armed Finns. He was wrong. The Finns slaughtered hundreds of thousands Russian soldiers (exact total unknown, but estimates are up to one million) while losing slightly more than 25,000 of their own. The Finns continued fighting the Russians in the appropriately named Continuation War when they sided with the Germans in their invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941.

4boot LaTrineodeur, MN
11/03/19 10:44 pm

That said, perhaps justice would require that Russia give back those lands that were part of Finland prior to 1939. I don’t expect that to happen though.

RussianThunder Russia and USA
11/04/19 11:36 am

Finland was conquered by Russia in 1809. During the Russian revolution, they declared independence from Russia. The Soviet government decided not to fight them. Then a Finnish Civil war started which was a huge mess. Who started the winter war was not known until 2013, when Vova announced it was the USSR.
The sad part was that Finland was told help would come from the UK and France.
In the end, the USSR took 30% of its economy and 11% of its land. Finland lost 25,000 men which greatly affected the country. Who is dead and who was missing on the Soviet side keeps getting updated but it was about 134,000 combined.
It humiliated the Soviets though. It also convinced Hitler that taking Russia would be easy. It humiliated France, UK and the League of Nations.
The thing only lasted about a month.
You have to remember, the idiot (Soso) had purged the army of most of its officers.
The red army was so hungry they ate the Finns sausage stew...were then surrounded.

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RussianThunder Russia and USA
11/04/19 11:44 am

We call it the “sausage war” though that was technically only a battle, we call the whole thing that.
Finland fought because Sweden would not help and really, if they didn’t fight back, they had no where else to go.

Today, though strained, Russians love going to Finland and Finns sometimes vacation in Petersburg.

The entire thing officially lasted 3 months but the real fighting was maybe 5 weeks of that.

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4boot LaTrineodeur, MN
11/04/19 6:56 pm

The Winter War is a fascinating study. It’s kind of shocking how so many could be killed in such a short period of time. The Russians had a huge advantage in men, tanks, and artillery.

The Finns tossed Molotov Cocktails into the tanks’ engine compartments and pushed logs into the treads to stop them, but first they had to kill the infantry supporting the tanks. Some Finnish machine gunners became traumatized because of the number of Russian infantry they mowed down. The extremely cold weather also worked to the Finns’ advantage, along with their tradition as hunters and cross country skiers. Also, their military leader, Carl Gustaf Mannerheim, was very capable. He later became Finland’s president.

RussianThunder Russia and USA
11/04/19 7:11 pm

When you think of Finland, you think Kallio. A somewhat humble man. A Xian. Thought life was sacred. When you think of the USSR, you think of Stalin. An atheist, communist, psychopath. The USSR was so big, the sheer numbers were going to prevail but Kallio held out as long as he could. Stalin sent one gun for every two men, into that war. He held no life sacred.
The Soviets released Finnish prisoners of war (the ones that survived). They were repatriated. Some fighting against the Nazis, then for the Nazis, then against them again. The Finns released their Soviet prisoners of war and.....none were heard from again. It is assumed, but still technically classified I believe, that the NKVD met them, executed them and buried them.

Russian history is full of humiliation for its future generations.

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RussianThunder Russia and USA
11/04/19 7:35 pm

The Russians HAD troops and leaders who were more than capable of making short work of Finland. Trained for ice and snow, ski troops...all of it BUT many of the officers were purged just before the war. More purges happened afterwards.

It turned out the way it should have. Finland really had the high moral ground all the way around. It’s a shame they lost men and land though. Stalin was a complete psychopath. Even Lenin was scared of him by the end and maybe with good reason. Rumors have always circulated that Stalin killed Lenin (I don’t think so but sure would like to believe it) and Beria killed Stalin (I’m about 80/20 thinking that was the case actually, as that all fits).

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4boot LaTrineodeur, MN
11/04/19 7:38 pm

The war may have produced history’s deadliest sniper, Finland’s Simo Hayha, with perhaps over 500 kills using a rifle with open sights.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4

zimmy Florida
11/03/19 2:12 pm

I have no idea? Depending on what ethnicity is mostly there, and if they want that.

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HBNY this space for rent
11/03/19 2:04 pm

Keep the boundaries as they are until a successful referendum is passed.

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