Donald Trump has yet to denounce the neo nazis in a satisfactory manner. He has only endorsed them by calling them "very fine people"
He is one.
Well, he never said that so false premise.
He did, actually.
Actually, he didn’t.
I can find the video of him saying those exact words, if you'd like.
Here's another quote from him.
"But they were there to protest -- excuse me, if you take a look, the night before they were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee."
Now, you tell me, what exactly happened the night before?
jesus christ op you need to think about trump wayyyy less. what is wrong with you?
Democrats are our NAZI’s. The new national socialist German workers party
I had to go back to August 26th for a poll you made that wasn't about the Orange man.
Dude, stop obsessing over this man. It seems to me you don't go a day with him not entering your mind at least once.
This shit was from 2017. This obsession with the Orange man is not healthy. You'll waste your life with constant hate.
Oh no you can't stand answering questions about Trump 😭😭
Hey Radon- are neo nazis fine people? Yes or no?
You know what the nazis did right?
Alright. If you want to waste your life, fine. But someday you're going to regret it.
No. Answer the question.
I will after i know what a neo nazi is.
Because you guys call Michael savage a nazi. Which is just comical. I want to know what it means to you.
Just like Trump, there's something inside you that keeps you from denouncing the nazis. What a shame.
Step one to philosophy is defining terms. If we have different opinions on what a word means, we are just wasting time.
I know this is all foreign to you. But don't be an intellectual xenophobe.
Every time you dodge the question you make more people reading this see how much you sympathize with the nazis.
Only a fool would think that.
Your attempts to shame me won't work. Those only work on your weak friends.
Define the term for us to continue. That's how conversations work.
Radon.... nazis: fine people or not?
Only a nazi sympathizer could see that as a gotcha question.
What is a nazi? I went to government schools. So I'm pretty ignorant. Please define it for me.
No. You went to school. You won't answer because you sympathize with the nazis.
Shame doesn't work. You've tried several times and it won't produce a different outcome.
It would have been so much easier for you to just define the word you throw around like candy at a pedophile parade.
But here we are. And now we are so far gone I can't let it go just based on principle. I'm just sick of you guys labeling literally anyone that doesn't capitulate to your ideology. You call me a sympathizer just for asking for a definition! Don't you see how crazy that is? You guys are nuts. I want a definition. It's not that hard to do, unless of course you don't have one.
I asked yes or no and you still can't give an answer. That tells me all I need to know.
As if you wouldn't call me a nazi for not agreeing with everything you believe anyhow.
Here, I'll give you my definition of a nazi. Then you can either agree or disagree and give yours.
A nazi is an ethnic collectivist. Which I don't agree with. Because all collectivism is bad in my opinion.
sd124- what’s wrong with you? Seriously. Donald Trump absolutely did NOT say that Nazis (or neo nazis) we’re fine people. He said the exact opposite. “There are very fine people on both sides.... And I’m not talking about the neo nazis...” You need to stop watching fake news CNN and MSNBC.
It took you over 200 words to finally give a roundabout answer to "are nazis fine people, yes or no?"
Buffaloman you seem to be forgetting that one of those sides was the neo nazis.
Well do you agree with my definition?
And here's the actual quote for the record. He was defending the nazis and their defence of America's biggest defender of slavery- Robert E Lee.
"You have some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group — excuse me, excuse me — I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."
Radon I never asked for your definition. Everyone knows who the nazis are, I just asked for you opinion about them.
So are you saying that everyone that was at the Unite the Right rally were neo-Nazis?
They were maching alongside the "jews will not replace us" nazis, so you can infer what you want from that.
You slimy fuck. You even agree with my definition or give a better one.
I hope you live a thousand years.
Yes! Everyone there was either a Nazi or nazi sympathizer! They were chanting Jews will not replace us! Shocking that anyone with any morals would hang around them after that! Trump knew it and said people protesting the Nazi thugs were equals! That was despicable! And defined Trump and his legacy( along with the impeachment) a true moral President would have not said very fine people! Stop excusing Trump on this! He was wrong!
I’m not defending all his actions - I was literally asking a question....
3:30 he denounces those things.
I guess I’m not sure why this poll exists - he has done what you guys are claiming he hasn’t done???
Claim he hasn’t...
He shouldn’t have done it period!
He shouldn’t have denounced extremism??
In what world did he denounce extremism?
Did you watch the videos? Or are you going to express facts with your feelings??
Radon unironically calls people cucks, I give it about 2/3 odds he's a Nazi himself.
I don’t even know what that is - urban dictionary broke....
Is cucks a “nazi”-ism?
D, anyone who disagrees with the left is a nazi.
That is their definition
Radon- and anyone who disagrees with the right is a socialist! Your turn .......
No - I do not believe that is what the right says.....they might think your a libtard, or misguided, but socialists are what the Democratic Party is becoming.....not an insult drummed up with disagreements.....the actions of the Democratic Primary headliners is just pure socialism (with a tinge of capitalism).
Conserv- well the actions by Trump have been authoritarian. 🤷🏻♂️
Conserv- "cuck" is short for cuckold, which is a fetish thing. Recently, it's been adopted by neo Nazis and "race realists" as to imply that by not advocating for an ethnostate you're letting scary brown people fuck your metaphorical wife. It's rarely seen in this form outside /pol/ Nazis.
“Conserv- well the actions by Trump have been authoritarian. 🤷🏻♂️”
I’m not saying your right or wrong, just curious which ones specifically.
“Conserv- "cuck" is short for cuckold, which is a fetish thing. Recently, it's been adopted by neo Nazis and "race realists" as to imply that by not advocating for an ethnostate you're letting scary brown people f**k your metaphorical wife. It's rarely seen in this form outside /pol/ Nazis.”
Fair enough - I know little on the topic, but that is an interesting euphemism.
Conserv- you don’t have to agree, but for me this article is spot on! www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=2ahUKEwj8j6DNkdHlAhUjheAKHS19ABQQFjABegQIBRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Famp.theguardian.com%2Fus-news%2F2018%2Fnov%2F18%2Fis-donald-trump-an-authoritarian-experts-examine-telltale-signs&usg=AOvVaw1YUUhVvU1ppdOxxUTLbyEp
So let me get this straight - you think because of his words, he is an authoritarian? Not that he has tried actions that put him there?
Do you have any actions (conducted office actions, not verbalized actions) that support your view on his authoritarian position?
Here is an article that accounts him less authoritarian than Obama (I didn’t set out to pin this on Obama, it was just one of many arguing how he isn’t).
“A president is “authoritarian” not when he’s angry or impulsive or incompetent or tweets too much. He’s authoritarian when he seeks to expand his own power beyond constitutional limits.”
You linked to a forum about MMA.... speaking of MMA, did you guys see trump get booed at the UFC event? I loved seeing that.
I saw that some booed and some cheered, but you keep on trolling...
Yeah... nobody cheered 😂
Expanding power beyond constitutional limits? Like, say, arguing that he should be immune to any criminal repercussions up to and including first degree murder while in office?
Poor fella - delusions are a tough ailment to fix. I would recommend a local mental hospital - they might be able to help.
I am not a fan of Trump, but people seeing things because they want them to exist just hurts your argument about orange man being bad.....
“Expanding power beyond constitutional limits? Like, say, arguing that he should be immune to any criminal repercussions up to and including first degree murder while in office?”
I’m sorry was there an action in here or just words?
Again - actions speak volumes....words do not directly erode the constitution.
If you find a price of legislation that he has pushed forward that indicates he is trying to expand his power, we can argue the authoritarian Angle - words are words, he is not a politician and he doesn’t choose his words, he speaks off the cuff as most of us do.
Does he have nice words to say about authoritarians? Sure. I would argue it’s because they have not been jerks to him, which I’m am most certainly he would have mean things to say about them after that. Democrats also thought authoritarians were nice - hell they even did regime changes into an authoritarian leaders.....both parties have had hands in these actions.
See, I would agree, if his lawyers weren't arguing that in court as we speak. Which is actikn
Conserv- I would argue this entire Ukraine thing is acting like an authoritarian, plus dictatorship always start out with rhetoric! Look at history!
“See, I would agree, if his lawyers weren't arguing that in court as we speak. Which is actikn”
Did he kill someone???????
Ratbaby spends time on 4chan and thus thinks everyone does.
I can't believe that you lefties have now made it that saying a fucking word thus makes you a nazi.
Do you now see why I wanted a definition SD? Because of this insanity.
“See, I would agree, if his lawyers weren't arguing that in court as we speak. Which is actikn”
Something just dawned on me - you do realize this is his lawyers actions, not Trump, right? So what his lawyers job is - to ensure their clients interests are met.....what their lawyers argue is not indicative of constitutional erosion at all.......
Except it's actively trying to erode the checks and balances on the executive office? And the lawyer just does what trump says.
“Conserv- I would argue this entire Ukraine thing is acting like an authoritarian, plus dictatorship always start out with rhetoric! Look at history!”
Your reaching in the rhetoric angle - and I whole heartedly disagree on the Ukraine portion. Unless you have a document or file or something other than people attempting to interpret what they believe the president was doing.
Meaning if they have a smoking gun that says “hold the aid until after the phone call so that I can put pressure on Ukraine to investigate Biden”.....that dog will never hunt.....way to much interpretation to conclusively determine that he did this with intent on finding dirt or Biden or if this was due to investigating corruption in Ukraine, and how they interferes with our elections in 2016.
“Except it's actively trying to erode the checks and balances on the executive office? And the lawyer just does what trump says.”
So what has he done to erode it - other than using rhetoric? Actions matter - words mean MUCH MICH less if your trying to convince anyone other than those that already believe it that he is acting like an authoritarian.
Conserv- going around congress for a billion plus dollar wall, that they are sawing through for one.
Again, because those words are being actively put to the task of establishing legal precident in a court.
Rat - again, how are words errroding anything?? Last I read the judges dismissed those arguments. Stop looking for boogiemen - the fact is, you can’t find a single action that indicates he is an authoritarian. Just words that sometimes are just stupid, and sometimes just funny......just laugh at his idiocy.
He did try to clean up his statement about the neo nazis but he already lost all of his moral credibility when he defended them in the first place. I don't think it's possible for him to divorce himself from the nazi association.
Define “neo-nazi” because a lot of the far right is lumped in with them. There’s a HUGE difference between neo-nazism and something like Rexism or Falangism or even something like Absolutism