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kb2018 February 14th, 2019 9:26pm

Question for Republicans/Conservatives: White House confirms that Trump will declare national emergency in order to fund the border “wall”. If Obama had declared a national emergency to advance one of his policies, would that be ok too?

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Malekithe My pronouns are GFY
02/15/19 5:59 am

What is preventing the Democrat president from doing this even if Trump does not

kb2018 Ohio
02/15/19 3:35 pm

A future Democratic (or any future) President could try even if Trump did not declare the national emergency. Trump is creating a precedent (if he is successful in diverting congressionally appropriated funds) that a future President could declare a national emergency in order to fund a political policy goal.

RemiRiot91 Torrington, CT
02/14/19 3:41 pm

I think the two are very different circumstances. There was not as much pushback from people if Obama wanted to do something except for Obama-care. Trump cant blow his nose without upsetting a democrat. All trump wants is 5.7 bil for a wall. The democrats know if they allow that that he “has won”. The argument has nothing to do with funding a wall but everything to do with making sure he cant keep his campaign promise of building a wall.

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kb2018 Ohio
02/14/19 3:45 pm

Remi,

So what about when a future President declares a national emergency on a political goal of their own (perhaps one that you disagree with)? Would that be ok?

RemiRiot91 Torrington, CT
02/14/19 3:52 pm

Think of it this way. Its the difference between a small leak and a large leak. If a small leak is coming from a large pool it’s perceived as not important. If a large leak is coming from a small pool its more important because its quicker to identify. Just because immigration is a slow leak if we dont stop it at some point the problem will become something we can fix.

RemiRiot91 Torrington, CT
02/14/19 3:54 pm

Also im not one of those thick headed republicans who thinks trump can do no wrong. If i step back and distance myself a little from the issue. Yes declaring an emergency does seem a bit of a stretch compared to other issues that money can be used for. But as i said over time this will get worse and worse and the sooner the hole is patched the better.

kb2018 Ohio
02/14/19 3:59 pm

Remi,

Fair point. I understand the argument for building a wall. And I understand the argument for using a national emergency declaration in order to do it. I am just curious what the conservative reaction would have been if Obama had declared a national emergency on climate change or gun violence or any kind of political issue.

lj74
02/14/19 6:28 pm

Kb, the wall is not a political action. The Dems are trying to make it one.

kb2018 Ohio
02/14/19 6:52 pm

LJ,

If it isn’t a political issue then why did Trump mention building a wall at nearly all of his 2016 political campaign rallies?

Wasn’t Trump supposed to be the best deal maker and be able to get a deal through Congress? Why didn’t he do that in 2017? Or in 2018 (before the midterm elections)?

Sentinel Ya ie wa noh
02/14/19 7:15 pm

Obviously you do not understand.....the emergency is at the border, whether you want to recognize it as such or not, obummer declared 13 National Emergencies in his term, 11 of which are still active.....further, Current law empowers the President with the power of declaring emergencies therefore, Congress con only 1) create a resolution to said Emergency with passage and agreement from both houses or 2) create new law and repeal current law that in powers the Executive with this authority to declare emergecies.....any challenge to the Executive authority to declare emergencies has already been deemed Unconstitutional under Title 50.....

kb2018 Ohio
02/14/19 8:29 pm

Sentinel,

If the border was such an emergency why didn’t he declare it as such immediately upon learning of it? Instead of endangering Americans for months trying to work something out with Congress.

Sentinel Ya ie wa noh
02/14/19 8:40 pm

That same question can be posed to the last 3 + administrations for failing to enforce the law.....IIRIRA of '96.....every President has claimed a crisis at the border, but now all of a sudden there is none????.....sorry, again because "your" perception does not allow you to, does not make it so for those who do live at the border.....

kb2018 Ohio
02/14/19 8:55 pm

Sentinel,

You didn’t answer the question. Why didn’t Trump (who is supposed to be so much better than any past President) declare the emergency before now? He could have declared it in 2017 or 2018...but decided to wait.

Sentinel Ya ie wa noh
02/14/19 9:11 pm

How much time has President Trump offered to negotiate doing the past 2 years.....too,too many times, while democrats play fucking games....do you selectively remember or are you truly ignorant to this subject?.....

kb2018 Ohio
02/14/19 9:15 pm

Sentinel,

You are making my point for me. If it was an emergency why would he waste 2 years negotiating? Why wouldn’t he just take a stand and declare the emergency right away? What emergencies can wait 2 years?

Sentinel Ya ie wa noh
02/14/19 9:21 pm

You mean why did the Democrats waste 2 year running from the negotiation table, One of the first things Trump spoke to the dumbs about was DACA and immigration, DACA evaporated.....you have no point, just as your argument lacks substance due to the continuous lack of action by demonrats.....

bartman71 USW
02/14/19 11:42 pm

kb is right. If it's truly an "emergency", it should have been declared by Trump long ago. I don't know any other actual emergency where you wait years to negotiate funds.

RemiRiot91 Torrington, CT
02/15/19 4:15 am

I agree. Idk why he waited because now he has that fight from the house. Why didnt he do it earlier when the Republicans ran everything.

Sentinel Ya ie wa noh
02/15/19 1:42 pm

That is a part of the issue, what you think and what the Executive has the authority to do are two entirely different thing, the Execituve has situational awareness and direct oversight, what do you have.....empty hands come to mind.....

Squidboy Snarkapottamus
02/14/19 3:35 pm

EMPEROR OBAMA SIGNED TOO MANY EXECUTIVE ORDERS. HE WAS A WANNABE DICTATOR!

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kb2018 Ohio
02/14/19 3:38 pm

Squid,

NO NEED TO YELL. It’s a comment section, nobody can talk over you on here.

Regarding your claim about President Obama, does that same criticism (about executive power, executive orders) apply to Trump?

Squidboy Snarkapottamus
02/14/19 4:48 pm

Oh..sorry....you’re new here. I was being snarky. Conservatives on this forum RAGED about BO’s ‘abuse’ of executive orders while he was in office. I was just offering up a reminder. Now it doesn’t seem to be an issue.

kb2018 Ohio
02/14/19 2:51 pm

The overall purpose of this question is to point out that if President Obama had used a national emergency declaration to fund one of his legislative priorities, I am near certain that conservatives and Republicans would have opposed that.

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TomM
02/14/19 3:04 pm

I don't think you need to explain the purpose of the question, I think we could all guess that. But have you considered the opposite. If you thought it was OK for Obama then you must think it's OK for Trump too? Btw I am against both scenarios.

kb2018 Ohio
02/14/19 3:07 pm

To be clear, I would not have supported Obama declaring a national emergency to fund a political or policy goal of his. Which is part of why I don’t support Trump doing so now. I am just interested to hear how this kind of use of executive power will be viewed

qmastrangelo Pottsvegas, PA
02/14/19 2:37 pm

No, I would’ve opposed it then just as I oppose it now

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MrPresident11 Reaching Moksha
02/14/19 2:27 pm

Not if it was not an emergency

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kb2018 Ohio
02/14/19 2:32 pm

And who gets to decide what is and isn’t an emergency?

If that person is the President, then why couldn’t a future President decide any issue is an emergency?

Flaw with this whole idea of a national emergency is that many public policy issues could be declared an emergency. Are conservatives really willing to cede that much power to a future President?

kb2018 Ohio
02/14/19 2:36 pm

Facts as determined by who?

What entity or person has authority to determine what are facts for this purpose?

Right now many would say gun violence is a national emergency. And they could point to all kinds of data and statistics to bolster their point. So would that be eligible to be declared a national emergency?

MrPresident11 Reaching Moksha
02/14/19 2:39 pm

How would you declare N.E. on “gun violence?”

kb2018 Ohio
02/14/19 2:44 pm

Personally, I wouldn’t. I believe those issues (like the border “wall”) should be decided by Congress.

I’m asking you to address the possibility that a future President can use the precedent Trump set by declaring a national emergency on this issue to declare an emergency on an issue that they see as a emergency.

Ebola007 Florida
02/14/19 2:50 pm

Obama declared 13 of them. No precedent.

kb2018 Ohio
02/14/19 2:53 pm

Were any of them political goals of his own?


If so, please list


I am aware that many have been declared, most of which were regarding public health issues and so on.

zimmy Florida
02/14/19 3:02 pm

If it was such an emergency, Trump should have declared it the second he took office.

Ebola007 Florida
02/14/19 3:36 pm

He was hoping the Democrats would do the honorable thing to protect the American people.and join him to do so. Unfortunately they didn’t so he had to do it himself.

zimmy Florida
02/14/19 3:41 pm

No Ebola! This is such a crock! More proof that Trump has no respect for our Republic, most of Americans don’t support it, it’s not an emergency! You can’t blame the Democrats when The GOP had the entire government for two nightmare years, and yes! Could have funded the wal through reconciliation! I cannot wait until a national Health Care emergency is declared and all Americans can get health care! Because it’s coming!

kb2018 Ohio
02/14/19 3:42 pm

Ebola,

So Trump was wrong then? Isn’t he the ultimate deal maker? How come he couldn’t make what he called “an easy deal”?

Also, didn’t he put Americans at risk every day that he waited to declare an emergency?

Ebola007 Florida
02/14/19 3:49 pm

Trump is tasked with the responsibility of protecting our country and it’s borders. The Democrats don’t care about anything but opposing Trump. ALL the experts agree that the wall is needed. It’s obvious to anyone not blinded by the anti-Trump cult that it must be built and I applaud him for using his constitutional authority to accomplish that goal. Why did the Democrats support it before Trump did?

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zimmy Florida
02/14/19 3:52 pm

Ebola- again the GOP could have funded the wall through reconciliation, they didn’t now we will end up spending more money, stretching our military, with an emergency that really isn’t one! It will be slowed in the courts anyway and divide America even more, how is that good for the country?

kb2018 Ohio
02/14/19 3:54 pm

Ebola,

So going forward you won’t have a problem with a future President declaring a national emergency in order to fund a political or policy goal that they support? Even if you disagree with it?

Regarding your points about the wall, this poll question is not about the merits of the wall itself, so I am not gonna go down that rabbit hole with you here.

Ebola007 Florida
02/14/19 4:37 pm

I have no problem with any president declaring a national emergency for a true emergency like the one we are now experiencing on our southern border.

zimmy Florida
02/14/19 6:02 pm

In other words, you have no problem when a President who you agree with declares a national emergency, you like dictatorship.

Ebola007 Florida
02/14/19 6:05 pm

You might want to read what I said again.