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Attikai February 14th, 2019 9:18pm

Do you support the president declaring a national emergency and seizing private land to build a wall so he can fulfill his signature campaign promise ahead of the 2020 election?

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Malekithe My pronouns are GFY
02/14/19 8:44 pm

No.
He should also veto the 💩🕳 bill

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Malekithe My pronouns are GFY
02/14/19 8:45 pm

He does not need it. Take money seized from other countries and drug cartels.
Obama did it to pay a bribe to Iran

Attikai Oregon
02/16/19 9:32 am

Obama paid Iran their own money that had seized from them.

mitchman399 Oregon
02/14/19 4:50 pm

It's weird how Trump supporters are cool with him seizing land and going around congress. Seems like something a party who dislikes big government would hate.

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ozzy
02/14/19 4:41 pm

Yes, but that is not what he is doing

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TwinJefe Pacific Northwest
02/14/19 3:21 pm

Just wait until Dems take back the White House, we’ll do the same thing for higher education and health care. Thanks for setting the precedent, Trump.

kscott516 Masks fail
02/14/19 3:48 pm

Lol, you won’t be getting the WH for more
than a decade. SCOTUS and circuit courts are already moving more conservative and Trump’s not done.

Robert01 existentialist
02/14/19 4:44 pm

@Twin

So you disagree with Trump's actions however you're going to take the president to do something that could equally be as dividing of an issue.
I thought everybody on this app was out of Middle School and this childish behavior would stop if you owe against it happening now you should be against your party doing it as well.

Ebola007 Florida
02/14/19 4:47 pm

Your mistake is thinking that @TwinJefe is out of middle school. He may be but he sure doesn’t act like it.

TwinJefe Pacific Northwest
02/14/19 4:53 pm

And there are the insults. That didn’t take long, Ebola. Usually you last a bit longer before you fail to the point of using ad hominem attacks.

TwinJefe Pacific Northwest
02/14/19 4:54 pm

Robert - So it’s ok when Trump does it but not when Dems do it? Sorry, I forgot about the double standard.

Robert01 existentialist
02/14/19 4:58 pm

Actually I'm looking at this from quite the other side if you think what Trump does is wrong then you shouldn't do it or support your party when they do.

Honestly I I'm not comfortable with using emergency funds for the wall.

TwinJefe Pacific Northwest
02/14/19 5:01 pm

Well at least you admit that... unlike Ebola who would probably defend Trump if he punched a baby.

Robert01 existentialist
02/15/19 5:26 am

@Twin,

But you see what I'm saying though?
If your saying that this isn't a emergency fund kind of deal, then you should not be supportive of your side doing it simply because they're on your side or you agree with the issue.

If we shut down NASA for a year we could build the wall with their funds the wall doesn't cost that much and I don't understand why people are throwing a tizzy fit.

TwinJefe Pacific Northwest
02/15/19 10:08 am

I get what you’re saying, but if Republicans play by a different set of rules then Dems will have no choice, otherwise Republicans will use this tactic to circumvent Congress on other issues as well. I just hope it gets stopped by the courts.

Robert01 existentialist
02/15/19 11:04 am

Yes. Both parties play by different rules there's a reason for that . Republicans stand for a certain set of principles and Democrats stand for a different set of principles.

To avoid your principles to get an upper hand is basically an example of hypocrisy.

TwinJefe Pacific Northwest
02/15/19 11:10 am

Not at all. If the courts uphold Trumps national emergency declaration then this is the new rule. Don’t hate the player hate the game. I don’t want this national emergency to be upheld. However, if it is then Dems should do the same thing until Republicans are on board with passing legislation to block it. Otherwise, Republicans will continue to use it to destroy everything Dems accomplished through legislation over the last several decades.
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Robert01 existentialist
02/15/19 11:13 am

I'm not saying it's a not a legitimate reason for the Democratic party to push something forward if Trump opens the door to this then yes the door is open however if your party stands for something anything- and stands behind Trump's action as the wrong action then if it's still wrong for you to do it under slightly different circumstances.
It's legal the door was opened by Republicans it's still hypocritical.

kscott516 Masks fail
02/15/19 12:20 pm

youtu.be/8ESuy3snZes

☝🏻national emergency

Robert01 existentialist
02/15/19 1:09 pm

A border wall would definitely deter them a lot greater than that fence on that property.

TwinJefe Pacific Northwest
02/15/19 1:16 pm

How would a border wall deter them when the majority of illegal immigrants overstay their visa and the majority of smuggling occurs at legal ports of entry??

Even in El Chapo’s trial this month, his men testified that they’d prefer tunnels than crossing an open border where they are exposed to border patrol agents.
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Robert01 existentialist
02/15/19 1:18 pm

Twin, we are not talking about the majority of Visa overstayers we are talking about the large number of people crossing the border illegally.

TwinJefe Pacific Northwest
02/15/19 1:35 pm

That’s my point... it’s not a large number, and it’s been declining for over a decade. My point is that an expense $25 billion wall is not worth the minority of illegal border crossers that don’t use legal ports of entry, and it sends a terrible message to the world. The funds would be much better spent on more border agents and technology.

kscott516 Masks fail
02/15/19 2:49 pm

$25 Billion is a drop in the bucket that saves us many multiples of that over time and provides essential border security that we don’t currently have. Border agents can’t stand guard over 2000 miles of border 24/7. A wall can and is more effective. BP can pick up illegals on drones but that doesn’t detain them. They still have to drive there to pick them up. It’s only about a mile to a road in many places and they’re gone.

TwinJefe Pacific Northwest
02/15/19 3:10 pm

1.) How will a wall save $25 billion multiple times???

2.) No one is expecting that border agents stand guard over 2000 miles of border 24/7, that’s why Dems want more advanced technology. Scanners and cameras to alert agents to respond.

3.) “They still have to drive there to pick them up. It’s only about a mile to a road in many places and they’re gone.”

This is total speculation. Drones could easily respond and track illegal immigrants.
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Ebola007 Florida
02/15/19 3:19 pm

One thing we know for sure, technology and drones can’t detain or prevent anyone from crossing the border unless you’re suggesting we arm them with Hellfire missiles.

TwinJefe Pacific Northwest
02/15/19 3:23 pm

No not at all. Drones can follow them and alert their position in real time to border agents.

kscott516 Masks fail
02/15/19 3:43 pm

I don’t think you understand how drones work. 🤣

TwinJefe Pacific Northwest
02/15/19 3:45 pm

Yet I do. It seems you don’t. Please explain what was incorrect with my statement?

Ebola007 Florida
02/15/19 4:02 pm

The wall is the foundation of effective border security. We also need technology and border agents, all of which Trump has proposed.

Robert01 existentialist
02/15/19 4:05 pm

Let NASA have a Hiatus for one year and we have the money for the wall 25 billion is not that much money.

There are a quite a lot of illegal traffic across our border.

Robert01 existentialist
02/15/19 4:07 pm

@Twin yes it is.

Medieval kingdoms new this how do they protect their keeps they put a wall it.

How does the Vatican vet people on Entry they put a wall around.

How did Berlin keep people in they put a wall around it.
( out of character)
You're a moron if you don't think a wall is the foundation to border security.

TwinJefe Pacific Northwest
02/15/19 4:07 pm

Or we could just forget about the ineffective wall... or get Mexico to pay for it as Trump promised.

Robert01 existentialist
02/15/19 4:14 pm

*sigh*
Trump was wrong about Mexico directly paying for the wall that much was clear when he said it if you want to hold him to his word and call him a liar for not making it happen so be it let's have our damn fucking wall though.

TwinJefe Pacific Northwest
02/15/19 4:23 pm

Wow, three outdated and irrelevant examples.

1.) When mid-evil Kingdoms and the Vatican built their walls, they were intended to keep out foreign armies. Back then the majority of people weren’t illegally overstaying a visa.

2.) Anyone can go visit the Vatican. Should we let anyone visit here?

3.) The Berlin Wall was seen as a symbol of oppression and the world looked down on Russia, which is why President Reagan demanded Gorbachev.. “tear down this wall!”
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Robert01 existentialist
02/15/19 4:25 pm

Hey look you missed the point because it doesn't fit your narrative

TwinJefe Pacific Northwest
02/15/19 4:27 pm

How’d I miss the point?? You gave three stupid example.

Ebola007 Florida
02/15/19 4:27 pm

The Berlin Wall was built to keep people in. Trump’s wall is meant to keep illegals out. It’s a cheap and effective measure.

TwinJefe Pacific Northwest
02/15/19 4:28 pm

The point is that technology can much more efficiently accomplish the same things as an expensive was. All three of your example were before modern technological advances.

Robert01 existentialist
02/15/19 4:28 pm

Did the wall around the Vatican stop those who wanted to harm it?
Yup.
Did the burlin wall keep people in ?
Yup
Did mid-evil castle walls hinder theres from out side of those walls?
Yup.

Do the walls around your home keep street raff from coming into your home.
Yup.

Walls arnt new tech deer.

Robert01 existentialist
02/15/19 4:30 pm

Yes,but technology has a high price tag my dear.
Nothing is more secure the an actual physical deterrent.

TwinJefe Pacific Northwest
02/15/19 4:32 pm

We don’t have a foreign army invading us, and illegal immigrant overstay their visa, and most illegal drugs come through legal ports of entry. An expense wall would not address the main problems. It’s purpose could more efficiently be accomplished with technology.

Robert01 existentialist
02/15/19 4:37 pm

Technology like cameras drones sensors things of that nature will cost more than the goddamn I hope you know that.

TwinJefe Pacific Northwest
02/15/19 5:25 pm

I disagree. A wall is a permanent fixture that needs to be maintained. Drones can be allocated for other uses if they are no longer needed, or sold to our allies or state and local governments across the country.

TwinJefe Pacific Northwest
02/15/19 5:30 pm

“let's have our damn f*****g wall though.”

Whose wall wall is it though?? Roughly 60% oppose the wall. Republicans had two years to do this where they held all branches of government. The voters overwhelmingly supported candidates who were opposed to the wall. If you want the wall the bad, Republicans need to win back the House and go through the legislative process like everyone else.

LibArtie SW Connecticut
02/14/19 2:47 pm

He already broke his promise, unless there’s news about Mexico I’ve yet to hear.

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SuperAgain They lie, Get Over It
02/14/19 2:30 pm

Yes I do support it. Surprised? ...It will either be an immediate epic fail in the courts or it will ultimately lead to new legislative checks on Presidential Power. ...and be a history-making epic failure.

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SuperAgain They lie, Get Over It
02/14/19 2:34 pm

...Oh, and the actual “work” will be tied up in years of local landowner fights, cumbersome bureaucratic process, and inefficient construction. It will be Trump’s Albatross.

shygal47 Florida east coast
02/14/19 4:27 pm

Interesting. Whoever brings suit would have to have nothing but the best for attorneys in order to battle DJTs group of attorneys... so far they have seemed to be willing to do/say anything.
... but I do see the irony in this process.
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