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RussianThunder February 8th, 2019 1:09am

This is a real question. If I dye my hair and put on make up to dress up like a rapper, is that considered “blackface”? I’m trying to understand when something is considered “blackface” and when it’s not. Please leave politics out of it.

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JamesAndersonMD La Jolla, CA
02/08/19 1:05 pm

Just have fun! People get too caught up in societal views.

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ctskapski x
02/08/19 9:49 am

Blackface, for better or for worse, does not seem to place any importance on context.

If you are white, and you put makeup on in order to appear black, there don't seem to be any situations in which it is not considered blackface.

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jonokai
02/08/19 6:08 am

The current left has redefined a lot of words and under the new definition yes that would be blackface. Under the actual definition prolly not.

Robert01 existentialist
02/08/19 5:43 am

- black face isn't inherently racist-
Just thought I'd leave this here

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Think Lovin Life
02/12/19 8:03 am

Rob ... is it racist when you put on blackface and have your pic taken standing next to a Klansman?

snagglepuss Story Time
02/08/19 1:53 am

Blackface is a form of theatrical make-up used predominantly by non-black performers to represent a caricature of a black person. The practice gained popularity during the 19th century and contributed to the spread of racial stereotypes such as the "happy-go-lucky darky on the plantation" or the "dandified coon".

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RussianThunder Russia and USA
02/08/19 5:05 am

Would that not be, more or less, the white around the face and eyes? That seems very offensive, even to me who does not have this type of entertainment in my countries history, therefore, an ignorant in its history.

jonokai
02/08/19 6:09 am

That is what it used to refer to. Now the definition has been extended to any changing of a lighter skin tone

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
02/07/19 10:54 pm

If the makeup is black or dark brown, you're in "blackface."
Unless you're an actor on stage. Then it's just character makeup. 🎭

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lj74
02/08/19 12:01 am

👍

Survivalistien I am Green and Retired
02/08/19 9:36 am

What if you work in a coal mine. Does that mean I’m racist?

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
02/08/19 9:49 pm

No. You didn't deliberately apply the coal dust to cover your entire face.

TopsQueen Oregon Coast
02/07/19 9:46 pm

I am white. I do not see the issue as long as you’re not mocking. As black face used to do. However, i don’t like Irish being portrayed as drunken fighters

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RussianThunder Russia and USA
02/08/19 5:18 am

I have been to Ireland numerous times. Those guys can drink! They seem proud of it (bit like Russians) but apparently the stereotype regarding fighting stemmed from both, their opposition to the crown and the top boxers in the US, Canada and Australia being Irish (few other ways to make a living in some cases). Those are extremely hospitable people and the Irish in Ireland, were not people who seemed even remotely similar to the historical American, Australian and Canadian stereotype of them. Part of it was anti-Catholicism though. Until moving here I didn’t understand seeing the anti-Irish cartoons. Now I realize it was more anti-catholic and those who came to the US from 1840-1860, often spoke Irish Gaelic as well (though most knew English) and were illiterate.
Classism and anti-Catholicism.

I adore the Irish and Ireland. My whole family loves it there. Wish I was Irish.

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TopsQueen Oregon Coast
02/08/19 8:36 am

Did you know Ireland never persecuted the Jews? Before the British Invasion they were equal along with women? There is a theory the black Irish are the lost tribe of Israel. A young man in Eugene told me the tribe of Dan. UO had a very active club for its Jewish students. My friend’s son revived a trip to Israel.

RussianThunder Russia and USA
02/08/19 11:31 am

Several Nazis fled to Ireland after the war though. That was more anti-British than anti-Jewish though.

There is a nice Irish Jewish Museum in, I think Cork (maybe Dublin.....we cant remember).

RussianThunder Russia and USA
02/08/19 11:34 am

Ethiopian Jew’s also claim to be the tribe of Dan

TopsQueen Oregon Coast
02/08/19 11:57 am

I have heard that. This was a young Jewish man. That told me. “My Lady Judge” by Cora Harrison. Is excellent on Celtic law.

shygal47 Florida east coast
02/07/19 8:29 pm

Blackface term comes from the old vaudeville days when skits were performed on stage that needed black actors but black actors weren’t allowed in 99% of theatres so actors would put on “blackface” to assume the role of an African-American. It’s a worn out term for a worn out time in American theatre history. Watch Al Jolson in The Jazz Singer (if you can find the old movie), it will give you a perspective on the vaudeville days.
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RussianThunder Russia and USA
02/07/19 8:56 pm

Exactly. I thought that is what blackface was. White around the mouth and eyes. Black paint. Ridiculous and insulting.

The medical school picture is obviously insulting. Beyond that, I am simply not sure where the line is.

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HammeringMan Gods Away On Business
02/08/19 5:34 am

The style of the makeup is not related to the insult. The tradition includes negative characterization of the African-American as lazy or goofy.

Diogenes FreeMeBe
02/07/19 7:51 pm

If you offend an SJW, you are condemned to an eternity of bad mojo.

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SHIPPY1944 Tn.
02/07/19 7:43 pm

😂Thunder if there was every was a pasty faced whiteboy Russian, it’s you🤣❗️you could immerse your self in black paint, the white would still glow through😅‼️

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RussianThunder Russia and USA
02/07/19 8:31 pm

That is soooo true. When I came to school here, one of the people I knew called me Casper. I never complained and thought it was funny but they made her stop. I guess because she was black. I don’t know. I am shiny white. Yeah. Wish I was darker like Tema and my dad. I mean my dad used to be darker but now doesn’t seem like it so much since his hair is grey.
Yeah though.....I’m clearly Slavic

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DonWichita Kansas
02/08/19 3:18 am

The key is that you were not offended, but that someone else stuck their nose in and canceled your mutual fun.
Notice how often it is that some unrelated entity claims foul when those directly involved are not offended by the act.
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RussianThunder Russia and USA
02/08/19 5:19 am

How did you change that font on “PC”?

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02/08/19 7:35 am

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GlockMan1 Alabama
02/07/19 7:34 pm

Don’t do it or Liberals will make you regret it in 30 years.

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Praetorianus Fair enough.
02/07/19 7:47 pm

True - donkey mind meets elephant memory, they'll never forget. Unless one of their own is accused. Fairfax anyone?

RussianThunder Russia and USA
02/08/19 5:19 am

It’s not something I’m planning lol

BriDads Stop Getting Offended
02/07/19 7:31 pm

This has become a controversial topic just recently. It wasn’t an issue in the early 2000s and it shouldn’t be taken as sensitive as it is. The answer to the question above is yes, darkening your skin is considered “blackface.” Now for me at least, is that really racist. Racism is considered prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. “Darkening” your skin to be a famous African American such as Obama or Micheal Jordan, etc does not fall under that category and it shouldn’t.

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RussianThunder Russia and USA
02/07/19 8:53 pm

It came up because Sergei loves Michael Jackson and went as him last Halloween but did nothing to his skin. We wondered if he had done that, would it be considered blackface? I honestly thought blackface was the Al Jolson kind of thing.

What if someone like Rachel Doziel or whatever her name is, was found to be using make up to darken her skin, is that blackface or ok since she identifies as black? I am honestly asking. There are many social issues in the US that I truly find confusing. From the sounds of it, a lot of people like Ted Danson, Jimmy Fallon, Joy Behar, Kylie Jenner, Robert Downey Jr., Billy Crystal, Dan Ackroyd, Jimmy Kimmel have all worn blackface. So, I’m confused.

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peterseb Idaho
02/07/19 9:44 pm

RT, you got it right, we have created way too many social issues in this country and they have become way to confusing. People need to stop becoming offended at every little thing and lighten up.

BriDads Stop Getting Offended
02/07/19 10:11 pm

That’s the main problem I have with the radical left... There’s policy but then we have this weird attempt of setting a new standard where if you have somewhat of an opinion that might offend someone, you will get booted by the media and the public. But they don’t seem so concerned when public figures of their own party (not just politicians) do the same exact thing. It really shouldn’t be an issue at all and it wasn’t 15 years ago, but now it is because something happened in the last 10 years that has caused a dramatic rise in the censorship of “offensive” opinions, tv shows (family guy), and destroying conservative figures’ reputations because they say something that doesn’t fit in with the liberal agenda such as Meghan Kelly when she said that blackface “isn’t that bad” and that “it was morally acceptable where I [Meghan] lived.”

voc I am...what I am
02/07/19 7:26 pm

Black face is painting your face to look like a black person. It is racist despite what the people below me said. The reason it is i because white people use to dress in blackface to basically make fun and stereotype them. It’s offensive because of that.

So I guess it would depend on what you mean my makeup. If you wear eyeliner, lipstick, and rouge and rap, there’s no problem.

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RussianThunder Russia and USA
02/07/19 9:00 pm

I’m not actually planning to do it but my brother was Michael Jackson last Halloween. He didn’t do anything to his skin but if he had used make himself darker, would that be insulting?

Are bottle tans (don’t they make your skin darker?) offensive?

I don’t mean any offense here but the US is a social minefield.

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voc I am...what I am
02/07/19 9:06 pm

Lol! You can’t offend me so no worries there.

Yes if your brother wore blackface as Michael Jackson, that would have been bad.

Bottle tans aren’t because they usually turn you orange. And tanning isn’t offensive. It doesn’t turn your skin brown like a black persons skin.

This is a pretty good article. Yes I know cnn fake news yada yada, but it does sum it up pretty well

www-m.cnn.com/2019/02/02/us/racist-origins-of-blackface/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

RussianThunder Russia and USA
02/08/19 5:21 am

All news is fake news. All news reports some truth. I’ll read it, thanks!

xxxceo Nationalist
02/07/19 7:25 pm

Yes. You’ll be shunned for it. Is it right, no, and others here are correct in saying that it’s fine, but many in society will punish you for it.

Whatsamattaferu 11726
02/07/19 7:15 pm

How about when Eddie Murphy dressed as a white man ? Is that ok ?

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RussianThunder Russia and USA
02/07/19 9:14 pm

I saw that. He dressed as a stereotypical Jewish man. I thought it was funny.

Whatsamattaferu 11726
02/08/19 4:47 am

So did I , just like most that dressed in black face

Jerbehr queens
02/07/19 6:48 pm

It is the equivalent of a Halloween costume. Not racist

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Praetorianus Fair enough.
02/07/19 6:39 pm

I'd say blackface simply means you paint your face black (with shoe polish probably), usually to play a role in theater or the movies as a white man casted to play a black person.
It would look incredibly outdated but I don't even see it as racist.

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Casper Deep inthe Heart ofTexas
02/07/19 6:17 pm

You can’t separate the question from politics. That is what blackface is by definition.

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tony1987
02/07/19 6:25 pm

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