Show of Hands

You think tearing the baby apart and crushing it’s skull is more comforting than allowing the baby to die in his mother’s arms as she comforts him, they take pics for the family and they introduce him to the family? As you can see, I totally disagree.

One of the reasons I disagree is because I’ve read books and stories about mothers that knew their babies would die, but carried them to term, and comforted them. Being able to meet their baby, take pics, introduce them to family members, let the grandparents hold the baby, etc. was comforting to all the family as well.

And I know how comforting nursing a baby can be. I was ready IMMEDIATELY to nurse my babies right after their vaccination shots. They would immediately stop screaming as soon as I started nursing them. This clams and comforts a baby in pain. MUCH more comforting than tearing them to pieces!

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Honestly, I don’t know. It should be up to woman’s and her husband/ partner decision. All I know is that I’m happy I will never have to face that decision.

That’s not the question I asked. I asked which would be more comforting to a baby....being cut apart and it’s skull crushed, or comforted in it’s mother’s arms.

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Why do you disagree with my wording? Is it because you don’t know what an abortion, especially a late term abortion, entails? I ask that you watch these two videos. One of them is an OB/GYN has performed thousands of abortions, describing what it entails, before Congress.

gloria.tv/video/Eqmrqja911Mu2qmMiX2V8KzpH

m.youtube.com/watch?v=OZXQBhTszpU&feature=youtu.be

I don’t think it would be that the mother would PREFER to see her baby die and suffer, but I think that holding a baby and comforting him as he passes away is MUCH more compassionate than tearing him to bits, without ANY comfort measures.

I, personally, have nursed my babies IMMEDIATELY after they got their vaccination shots, and it stopped their screams immediately. Imagine the comfort that a mother nursing her newborn could give as he’s dying, as opposed to crushing his skull.

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Just my views that you asked for. I can respectfully disagree. For such a situation, its personal to the mothers preference

Ok. Well you basically said I was lying about my description of abortion. Are you not willing to watch videos that prove I’m telling the truth?

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No

So you refuse to open your eyes as to what abortion entails, but you want to call me a liar about it? Why is it that liberals are afraid to watch these videos? Are you afraid that it might convict you that these babies are being torn limb from limb and their skulls crushed?

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Again, no

If you’re not willing to look at proof, you really shouldn’t call others liars.

I didn’t say that. I said i don’t like the wording. We cannot agree on the matter

Why don’t you like the wording, if you know it’s true?

It’s against my pro choice view

You should leave it at that. Neither agrees with the others no matter how how you try to convince with your “truth” or not. Its the constant abortion debate.

Wait...so are you saying that because the truth is against your pro choice view, you refuse to believe the truth, even if it’s in videos that plainly show it’s the truth?

I’ll let it go....but I have a hard time understand this from liberals that are so concerned about science and the “truth” about other issues they believe in.

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I could say the truth was against your view and you’d refuse to believe it. Im just saying that both sides claim to be THE truth at this point. Therefore, in the picture of the larger debate, no matter what, the other person is “wrong.” Id prefer not to go in circles anymore because you can’t convince me to not have my views

If you showed me a video that shows real abortions that do NOT have the baby being dismembered, I would believe it. But you won’t even watch the one that I have that shows that’s exactly what happens, or to the doctor that testified before Congress that this is exactly what happens.

I’m not trying to convince you to change your views. I was only asking you watch two videos, and tell me what you thought about them.

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Okay then. I’ll just pass on that but stick to my initial comment saying it should be up to the mother in this case. Interesting and thought provoking poll

Thanks! I appreciate that you thought it was interesting and thought provoking. Did you read my comments below, as to what inspired it?

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Just read that part now. Very interesting indeed. So many layers of this to be discussed

Thanks! I appreciate it. I’m not trying to be ugly. I really do have compassion on women in situations of incest and rape, and even those that have been lied to by the abortion industry, only to find out too late what an abortion entails, and then suffer the rest of their lives because of it.

I’m going to bed. Have a good evening.

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4JC, I feel the need to clear up this wording issue. Your question is, in fact, a leading question. Using language like "tear them limb from limb" leads people to answer the question the way you want them to and the results of the poll will not be valid. I understand that you just want people to know how awful the process of abortion is. But that info would be more appropriate in a blog or opinion piece, than a poll. Because the point of a poll is to guage public opinion, and asking leading questions yields inaccurate results. But I know I'm kind of splitting hairs here, and you can do whatever you want 🙂

No it doesn’t. You can clearly see from the comments here that there are people that don’t agree with the wording, even though they realize this is what abortion entails and they voted the other way.

I don’t CARE about the poll being valid. Most people realize that with this low number of votes that it’s not that accurate. It’s more about the convo....and helping others see what abortion really entails. And they HAVE to know that abortion entails tearing a baby limb from limb and crushing it’s skull to be able to accurately compare abortion to a mother nursing her baby in her arms.

If they don’t know that’s what an abortion entails, it’s very easy to say abortion is more comforting. It’s a lot harder if they have ALL the facts and know what abortion means to a baby, and it’s comfort.

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It is a leading question by definition, regardless of your opinion or how people responded, that is what I'm trying to help you understand. But if you just use SOH to ignite conversations like this, I can understand why you wouldn't care about validity. And you're right, smaller sample sizes reduce validity as well. But if I'm able to get 100 random responses to one of my surveys, I feel like I can extrapolate those results to the overall population (not perfectly, but it gives me a pretty good idea)

Hey, girl! Where have you been? Welcome back!

Which is more reasonable? Ripping the baby limb from limb or allowing the baby to be born and comforted by his or her mother and father?

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I've mostly left show of hands, but I still check in every now and again.

I'll admit, I'm not a doctor, I know little about how an abortion would be done this late into term. However, I am almost certain it does not happen in the way you describe.

Are you willing to watch two videos? One is a doctor who has done thousands of them, testifying about it before Congress. The other shows actual abortions:

Dr. Levatino:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=OZXQBhTszpU&feature=youtu.be

Video of abortions. Very graphic:

gloria.tv/video/Eqmrqja911Mu2qmMiX2V8KzpH

How had you imagined it would happen? They don’t put a woman into labor, so that means that her cervix doesn’t dilate (open wider). How else will they get the baby out?

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You’ve never had a baby, have you? New parents are warned about this. A new baby still has a soft spot that can be crushed, even after a full term birth.

Soft stuff doesn't crush, it squeezes and pops.

The skull is still hard enough that they have to crush it...it’s still BONE. After they do this, they have to drain the brain out. Here is a doctor describing it for you:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=OZXQBhTszpU&feature=youtu.be

And if you want to see actual abortions, here they are:

gloria.tv/video/Eqmrqja911Mu2qmMiX2V8KzpH

But it really doesn’t matter whether it’s crushed or squeezed. It DESTROYS the child.

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There is a soft spot on the baby’s head. My son had surgery when he was 4 days old, and this was where they placed the IV. Of course the skull can be broken.

Thanks, lcamino.

Not saying the skull is not broken just sharing a bit of physics. You wouldn't call squeezing a Cadbury creme egg until goo busts out crushing, you might use pulverized or burst instead cause it's a more accurate visualization.

Thanks, lcamino!

I don’t consider it a leading question at all. Many people refuse to believe that this is what an abortion entails, and they need ALL the facts before they vote. That’s why I gave them to them. You can read below what inspired this question.

So you, too, believe that tearing a child limb from limb, and crushing it’s skull spares a child suffering, whereas allowing him or her to be comforted in his mother’s arms and possibly nursed does NOT comfort the child?

I think that argument is RIDICULOUS!

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It's a good question and a tough question. But yes if a woman finds out, 12 weeks into her pregnancy that her child's heart is developing outside their body and they have a 0 percent chance of surviving outside the womb, I think the humane thing to do would be to end it there. I imagine carrying to term would feel like torture for both the child and the parents. Also worth noting, I don't think a situation like this would weigh on the conscience of the mother like most abortions do, because it was justifiable and done in the interest of the child. Conversely, I imagine carrying to term and watching your child die in your arms would cause greater trauma to the mother and father. Thankfully situations like this are exceptionally rare, so most people never have to consider such a decision. These are my feelings though and I can understand if you disagree

One of the reasons that I find that argument ridiculous is because I’ve had four children of my own. I KNOW that holding and nursing a baby comforts them....as I did so immediately after they received their vaccinations. I was ready for them to latch on immediately as the shot was done, and they stopped screaming IMMEDIATELY.

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Please see my comment just above, as they came in at the same time. To the contrary, I’ve read articles and books about mothers that KNOW that something is wrong with their babies and saw it as an act of mercy to allow that child to go to term and be born. They received great COMFORT in doing this, as they were able to take pics of the baby, introduce the baby to family members, including siblings, etc. One of the stories I read was about a woman who was doing this so she could donate her baby’s organs to other children in need.

Of course, you’re changing the goal posts when you mention a baby at 12 weeks. My question was about babies in the 3rd trimester. Did you read below, as to what instigated this question? I’d like to know whether you agree more with my stance or with this other person’s stance.

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Yeah, I tried to change the goal posts in my first comment when I said 'ideally this decision could be made before the 3rd trimester, sometimes there are situations when the doctors are certain the child won't survive, so abortion may be justifiable.' and I stand by that. And again, I agree, 3rd trimester abortions are inexcusable.
I have not read the post below yet, but may later. Unfortunately I don't think we'll find common ground on this specific situation, but overall I'm sure we agree: all life is precious. I just think certain circumstances justify abortion (and I'm sure that sounds RIDICULOUS to you, and that's fine) (these circumstances would be: rape, incest, endangerment of the mother, and the rarest of them all: comfort of the child in cases where their chances of survival are very slim). Outside of those 4 situations, abortion is murder...

Well, we agree on more than we disagree on. I believe that there could be a compromise & allow abortion for rape, incest, & the VERY rare cases where it would be the life of the mother (but I’m thinking cases where the mother is not far along & cancer would kill her before the baby is born, NOT an 8 mo old baby that can be safely delivered to save both of them).

I would be alright with compromising on those IF Dems would be willing to compromise & limit it to those as well, but you can see they’re pushing the envelope more & more, until even AFTER birth, per the Gov of VA, which does NOT shock me at all. I KNEW this would be coming.

Once you say that not all lives are sacred, it’s not that far down the slope to find NO lives are sacred, and it will end with the disabled, the infirm, the mentally ill being seen as too inconvenient, and not productive members of society, so we’ll be killing them off as well.

And one day, it might even be those that don’t agree with the state!

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You are spot on there. I share the same concerns. Luckily it seems opinions are gradually shifting towards pro life, and once it's announced RBG has died, and Trump can nominate another another judge, I think it's possible Roe V Wade will be revisited and hopefully repealed.

Thanks! Other people think I’m CRAZY to believe this! Lol I really do hope you’ll read about what inspired this poll....and you’ll see why I was so upset!

I certainly hope so.....and this is exactly why these states are passing these laws.

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This question stems from a convo I was having with someone today, in which the other person told me that they KNEW that abortion entails the way I described it, had watched videos that PROVE that’s what they do to babies in the womb, but claims it’s more compassionate to do this to the baby than to allow the baby to be born and comforted by his mother. He or she (don’t know which) even questioned whether a baby would even be sentient enough to receive comfort from a mother’s touch.

I explained to him or her that studies show that a baby in the NICU HAS to have the comforting touch of his parents to thrive, and that studies have even shown that newborns that do NOT get this touch will die (in orphanages).

He or she told me he didn’t CARE that this is what they do to babies.

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If you claim that this is NOT how a baby is aborted, please watch these two videos before responding:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=OZXQBhTszpU&feature=youtu.be

gloria.tv/video/Eqmrqja911Mu2qmMiX2V8KzpH

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Oh, I also meant to say that I pointed out that babies in the womb respond to their mother’s and father’s VOICE WAY before they’re born, as more proof that the baby born would receive comfort from the mothers loving arms.

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Thanks for sharing this poll, @TomLaney1 ! If you haven’t already read what inspired it, I posted it just above. I was totally FLOORED by this person!

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