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The second amendment is the reason for it.

The permit is just another way to tax people. Like hunting and fishing and marriage license. PAY ME for the privilege.

And also so they know where to go when it's time to round them all up.

I thought permits were more for making sure someone can own a gun, and not some terrorists or criminal? Kelly I don’t see how having to have a permit violates the 2nd amendment?

How does having to have ID violate someone's voting rights?

It doesn’t.

Yet that's your party's argument for fighting against it.
The right to bear arms is granted in the Constitution. "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".
I'm actually ok with permits, and background checks. We need to make sure no one potentially dangerous gets guns. Just like we need to know who is in our country. But the people we need to be concerned about don't bother with permits or background checks. Just as the people we need to be concerned about don't bother coming through ports of entry.

Zimmy, just like a poll tax or a voter ID, it is inhibitory to poor people from a Constitutional right.

See what I did there! 😁

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See how I combined gun control, voter ID and illegal immigration to show how inconsistent their arguments are?

Actually you didn’t because I don’t believe having an ID to vote violates my rights, doesn’t matter what party says what that is my feeling, now making ID’s difficult to get is obviously wrong, whether voting or guns. So I still ask the same question from my point of view here, what is so terrible about having a permit for a concealed weapon?

Please explain your specific views in straightforward terms rather than magical Zimmy speak.

Nothing, other than it is further acceptance of having to ask government permission, and pay them, for the right to do things. Permits to hunt, fish, own a pet, build a shed on your property... It never ends. And none of those things are guaranteed in the Constitution, as bearing arms is.
It all comes down to a fundamental view of the role of government. You obviously don't mind them being all up in your business on every level. Well, I do.

Kelly- I don’t want them in my business
, but I don’t want anyone with a violent criminal record, walking into a gun shop and purchasing a gun, therefore I am for gun permits, and background checks.

Dio- Kelly obviously understood what I was saying

Zimmy, I actually agree with that. But I can also understand the reasoning behind not requiring permits, and was trying to articulate it, even if I don't agree with it.

I see.

“ I don’t want anyone with a violent criminal record, walking into a gun shop and purchasing a gun, therefore I am for gun permits, and background checks.”

Two different things. The FBI background check determines if you can legally buy a gun. The PERMIT allows you to carry it as opposed to keeping it in your house (which you don’t need a permit to do)

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