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KellyDimples February 1st, 2019 2:07pm

The "Medicare for all" plan being pushed by many Democrats is estimated to cost 33 trillion dollars. There aren't enough millionaires to tax at 90% to raise anywhere near that money, and will be less when they leave. Where will it come from?

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Carolynn new jersey
02/02/19 1:12 pm

The democrats have estimated the cost would be 32.6 trillion during its first 10 years of implementation. That’s about 3.26 trillion per year. I’m a skeptic when it comes to this, but I don’t think I can completely rule out the possibility of it working. The US already spends 3.5 trillion a year on healthcare. Economists project that the costs will keep rising, of course. I’d like to see what a public option could do to the costs of healthcare. Something that any US citizen could pay into that competes with private insurers.

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KellyDimples NJ
02/02/19 1:54 pm

Our entire federal budget is 4 trillion.

Carolynn new jersey
02/02/19 3:15 pm

Yes, it is. I believe that the democrats are looking at the costs as if it’s a shift from one insurer to another. Right now, the federal healthcare spending is at 1.2 trillion. Americans are paying about 2 trillion per year towards private health insurance premiums and 365 billion towards out-of-pocket costs. So, if we eliminate out-of-pocket costs and private insurance, then the public would have the money freed up to go into this public health insurance, either by taxation or monthly payments or both. Whether that would work, I have no idea. The transition at least, would be a nightmare.

KellyDimples NJ
02/02/19 3:24 pm

It would never work. Doctors already limit the number of Medicare patients they accept, because they lose money on them. If everyone has equal access, the demand would go way up and the supply way down. This would result in rationing, poor service, long waits. It would be an absolute horror show. It would be like bread lines all over again. Who wants equality if it means we're all equally poor?

Carolynn new jersey
02/03/19 8:29 am

Kelly, you’re right. It is a trade off. What it really comes down to is how we value human beings. In the US, we value them based on their income. If they don’t make enough to have health insurance then they don’t deserve access to healthcare. If their insurance won’t cover a much needed procedure, they probably don’t deserve it. That’s our country. In other countries, they believe every human being deserves healthcare no matter their income. They have accepted that they may have to wait in line and in some areas the demand is high. They have adjusted, because they don’t want to ration their healthcare that way. We have different ways of rationing our healthcare, like not covering preexisting conditions, refusing treatment because it’s too experimental, raising prices, discontinuing coverage when someone gets sick, or refusing treatment because the insurance company just thinks it’s unnecessary.

Carolynn new jersey
02/03/19 8:32 am

My point is, we should all at least have the same goal and that’s equal access to healthcare for all Americans. If that concept sounds like a bad thing, then I think we value human beings very differently.

KellyDimples NJ
02/03/19 8:42 am

My view is that we don't have a healthcare issue. We have a health insurance issue. We expect our insurance to cover everything. It would be the equivalent of expecting our car insurance to cover our gas and wiper blade refills. There are things that would be much more affordable if we simply paid for them, rather than expecting insurance to cover them. We don't have that option now. We don't even know what things really cost. We know what wiper blades cost. There are different options for wiper blades. There is competition. Competition promotes quality, and lower prices. Government control takes away competition, which will lower quality and raise prices.

Carolynn new jersey
02/03/19 3:12 pm

I agree! We have a disconnect from the healthcare market. It doesn’t really make it a free market at all. I agree that insurers, both public and private, are causing this disconnect and less transparency. We need to be able to get a set price before a surgery or treatment so we can shop around.

theNobamist Silicon Valley
02/01/19 3:27 pm

There isn't enough money there.
But, the Left's destruction of math skills education in schools will make sure no-one finds out.
To the Left, basic math is voodoo done by crazy MAGA racists.

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theNobamist Silicon Valley
02/01/19 3:25 pm

The unicorns who run the Socialist Democrat party.
Or baby parts sales.

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auntiesamm Orange County CA
02/01/19 3:08 pm

They will empty our pockets!

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EarlyBird Portland
02/01/19 10:09 am

We can’t do it. It’s economically not possible.

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Diogenes Lagoa Time
02/01/19 9:59 am

They’ll cull the populous until they balance the funding. *That’s the fine print.

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KellyDimples NJ
02/01/19 10:12 am

We should hand out magnifying glasses.

Jazzy5 USA
02/01/19 8:39 am

THE MIDDLE CLASS.
If people think otherwise, they are fools.

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theNobamist Silicon Valley
02/01/19 3:27 pm

There isn't enough money there.
But, the Left's destruction of math skills education in schools will make sure no-one finds out.
To the Left, basic math is voodoo done by crazy MAGA racists.

Jazzy5 USA
02/01/19 6:39 pm

We covered this in one poll, kids can’t make change in stores, if they don’t put it in the computer register.

CoffeeNow Fiery but peaceful rioter
02/01/19 8:03 am

Print more money, massive inflation, further destroy the middle classes savings, blame the other guy, secure more votes

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KellyDimples NJ
02/01/19 8:08 am

Sounds about right

ezh2o Texas hill country
02/01/19 8:09 am

The dems know that proposal would never pass . . . It is just to get votes from the weak minded.

Jazzy5 USA
02/01/19 8:41 am

The weak minded, vote. That should scare us all!

rons on top of the world MA
02/01/19 7:54 am

The azzholes of the left.

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Think Lovin Life
02/01/19 7:38 am

It will come from the place called nowhere!

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RussianThunder Russia and USA
02/01/19 7:26 am

Better come fast. How many days do we have left before Oscio-Cortes said the world will end? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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KellyDimples NJ
02/01/19 7:34 am

12 years. Which is the same amount of time it took socialism to destroy Venezuela. Coincidence? I think not.