If you believe that allowing more people to have their voice heard through voting is a “power grab,” then you don’t deserve to be in power.
I can’t get back to the thread that I was commenting where @twinjefe has implied that I must be a liar, because I won’t tell him where I live, and he can’t find a place with voting as I described it on the internet. But for the record, whether or not he believes it, that’s how our voting is set up. I have no reason to lie about such a thing.
@TwinJefe is a proven liar on SOH. He probably put you on ignore (as he did me) when he couldn’t win the debate. He also is the first to use ad hominem attacks while crying foul about others using them.
It wasn’t a debate, per se. He just refused to believe that we have early voting that includes wknds for voters, as well as absentee voting. I wouldn’t tell him where I live, so he could ‘verify’ it, and he couldn’t find it on the internet; therefore, I must be a liar.
@xxxceo , apparently, @twinjefe put me on ignore, so I couldn’t see your full response to him in the thread below. Doesn’t bother me. If that’s how he thinks and treats people, I’m ok with him putting me on ignore.
That’s classic @TwinJefe
I don’t blame you for not telling him where you live. As you know my account was viciously hacked by someone a while ago.
I had just said, “Many states have early voting. Here in ny we also have absentee, but no early.”
Wth, why can’t these morons put me on ignore?
If you believe that allowing ineligible people to vote isn’t a power grab then you don’t deserve power.
How is making Election Day a federal holiday allowing “ineligible” people to vote?
JFish ... the out of context poll question mentions NOTHING about an Election Day. I welcome that silly change as it will turn into more leftists NOT voting because they’ll be too hung over or stoned.
Of course it doesn’t mention it. It’s just one way to increase voter participation. You do support increased voter participation, don’t you? You disagree with Senator McConnell?
JFish ... I want valid voters to vote. I want all others to be actively prevented from voting. I want eVerify without delay.
I believe that demanding a day off is a lazy excuse. If you can’t make your way to your polling station before, during or after work then you can vote absentee. This is a nonissue.
Many states, usually red states, don’t allow you to vote absentee for any reason. We need universal mail ballots as well as Election Day being a federal holiday. If you’re eligible to vote, then it should be made as easy as possible.
JFish ... I personally don’t like absentee voting for most reasons as it is far too easy to cheat. We need more security in the vote, not less. Why did you sidestep eVerify?
It is not easy to cheat voting in the slightest. It’s simple, someone registers to vote, and is confirmed, if they’re eligible. They request an absentee ballot from their commission, and their commission verified their registration. The voter fills out the ballot, and sends it off in time.
Apologies for the late response. I simply forgot.
Isn’t the blanket statement that a group of people don’t deserve power per se undemocratic?
If a person or group of people come to power through inherently undemocratic means, then would they not thus be undemocratic leaders, and their being taken out of power be democratic?
If they’re voted out, so be it. But let’s not strip them of power as the question suggests. The left has some scary totalitarian tendencies.
If you’re assuming that it’s arguing to forcibly strip those people of their positions, then you’re reading it vastly incorrectly.
Which, considering the source, was already a given.
I feel like it's a bad sign when elected officials are against making it easier for more people to vote.
Mitch ... the really bad sign is when one party desperately attempts to allow the ineligible to vote so they can unfairly gain or retain power.
It's a bad sign when you believe anything you read online regardless of the source.
Mitch ... good advice for you to follow. Now, address the issues. Democrats want illegal aliens and convicted felons to vote. They also want to be able to vote for people. This is a disgusting adulteration of our process. And the facts don’t depend upon your acceptance.
No thanks I don't really feel like having a pointless conversation with you today. Have a great rest of your day though! :)
Mitch ... you actually have no point most days, but it never has seemed to stop you.
It’s interesting that so far no conservatives have agreed, and they seriously downvoted this poll, yet none have been able to say why they believe giving people a bigger voice by making voting easier is a power grab. 🤔
I’m a conservative. I agree with the poll and I upvoted.
Yeah but you’re different than most conservatives on here Zach. You and @xxxceo are usually really reasonable and listen to a position before automatically reacting to it.
Not many of us do that, liberal or conservative. Myself included.
Thanks Voc, I appreciate it. What’s the question here?
(I can’t see it when summoned)
Found it. I agree with the sentence, but not sure if it’s representative of something else. On face value though, I agree.
If you believe that allowing their voice heard through voting is a “power grab”, then you don’t deserve to be in power
Thanks voc. I think you do quite well with that yourself, and I wish more people would do the same when it comes to politics.
Thanks Zach, yeah, I don’t. I get too emotional and start just straight up arguing. I do try though.
I’m guilty of that sometimes too, and I have only recently started to force myself to not react right away.
How can you tell which political group upvoted or downvoted? I didn’t know there was a way to see exactly who upvotes or downvotes a poll?
You can usually tell by the question asked. I would guess liberals would like this question more than conservatives.
Ok, so that’s just speculation that it was downvoted then, and not a fact?
At the time I made the comment I could see that no Republican had agreed with the statement, and its reasonable to assume that usually people who agree don’t downvote.
I can see why you’d assume that, and probably safe to do so. But, people could think a question is silly, downvote it, and mark it read, and not show up as having cast a vote at all. Not likely, but jussayin’
Or they agree but dislike fish.
Yes, both those things could have happened, although they are unlikely.
Xxx is right. That happens a lot on here. I don’t like the upvotes and downvoted for that reason.
The attempted virtue signaling here misses the corollary, which is that those who push for the ineligible to vote also do not deserve to be in power.
Who pushes for the ineligible to vote? Mitch McConnell’s “power grab” comment was in response to the idea of creating a voting holiday to make it easier for the average working citizen to vote since most people work on Tuesdays.
In my area polls are open until 9pm allowing those who work time to vote. Is my area unique? I assumed it was like that everywhere.
TJ ... Democrats are pushing for illegal aliens, convicted felons to vote. In California, Democrats are even filling out the ballots for individuals who didn’t vote. Democrats also resist purging dead people from the polls and resist eVerify to reduce voter fraud.
CEO ... your area is not unique. Democrats just want another excuse not to work.
Voting is different in every state. For instance, my state does mail in or drop off ballots.
Regardless, would it hurt to give people the day off, or change the day from Tuesday to the weekend, to encourage a higher voter turn out?
@Think - So you’d be ok moving the voting day from Tuesday to the weekend?
I’m interested to see what lame excuse you’ll come up with to dismiss this idea.
TJ, I’d need to see evidence that it would actually help voter turnout considering people can do mail in, drop off, and vote until 9 before I supported making it a holiday. Anyway, I’m busy today and about to party tonight so I’ll let you two discuss this amongst yourselves. Let me know what you come up with so I know when to vote.
TJ ... I think this is a tempest in a chocolate teapot. If you can’t vote before,during or after work then vote absentee. This is simply an entitled leftist initiative that has no merit.
Let’s focus on securing the vote with eVerify so that the votes can actually be trusted. Let’s also eliminate disgusting laws, like California’s which allows Democrats to suppose what the votes would have been and cast a ballot for someone who didn’t vote.
Btw, Cocaine Mitch is usually right. It would be difficult for me to go against the Turtle God.
We have early voting which lasts two weeks and *includes wknds.* During early voting, which also has extended hours, you can also vote at *any* polling site. There’s also absentee voting. They go above and beyond to make it easy for voters to have no excuse to not vote. There’s no excuse not to vote here.
What state setup their voting that way?
What difference does it make? That is how it’s setup where I live. I’m not even sure it’s state wide.
Because I have never heard of a state that has that many options and I could anything like that online.
That is how it is where I live, whether or not you’ve heard of it or can find it in an internet search.
Sure it is...
Many states have early voting. Here in ny we also have absentee, but no early.
I'd like to see it in NY. Because I don't drive and it's a pain in my ass to get someone to drive me to the polling station (unless it's in walking distance)