Show of Hands

No blood has been shed? What about the blood of the MILLIONS of babies that have been murdered since 1973?!

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Not counting that. Babies can’t change the fabric of society through rebellion. Their deaths can bolster the rebellion though.

Oh, ok. I was wondering! Lol

This isn’t the first time we did this in the U.S.

www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/unwanted-sterilization-and-eugenics-programs-in-the-united-states/

She is a victim the creature in her body.

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She provides womb and board though

Yes we are all creatures.

Curious, does it offend you that I chose creature?

Eviction * sorry not victim...

@kscott, can you really consider somebody a parent if their crotch Hobbit hasn't been born yet?

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My statements and opinions are not meant to arouse or anger you in any way they are simply statements and opinions.

You sure do a lot of assumptions when you don't understand someone's position don't you?

Interesting point! Looking forward to what they say to this!

Logic dictates that you have to answer one way or the other . The answer you give to this question reveals what you really think about the claim that the baby is just part of the woman’s body.

But if it's a fetus then it's not a baby. And it is part of the woman's body - are you gonna defend that an unfertilized egg is a "baby" too next? The egg - and the fetus it becomes - are very much a part of the woman's body, but to compare it to amputation shows just how little you understand about basic biology and anatomy.

In this particular question I’m not actually saying much. The poll is designed to determine what most people think about the notion whether this is a “body” issue. Does abortion remove a part of a woman’s body like an tonsil or a kidney. Or do most people think it is something other than her body.

By that logic, a toenail clipping is amputation.

The whole question is ill-conceived.

The term amputation was used for a bit of dramatic effect. Technically you are right, it’s not an amputation since it doesn’t refer to a limb. But the underlying question is still valid. And we can ask the question the way you formulated it. Is removing a baby through an abortion the same as removing a toenail ? Why or why not ?

You keep saying "remove a baby" so I'm beginning to think you're talking about a C-section, not abortion? Aren't C-sections usually compared to - often jokingly - removing a tumor since the baby is removed rather than birthed? If you do mean removing a fetus, however, I still think that's more relatable to removing a tumor since the removal of a limb or something external is what's generally associated with amputation, and the removal of a tumor or something internal would be just that: a removal of something from inside the body.

And because I know Wert can come up with a good joke and punchline from this, for the record, I am a tumor baby myself. Proud C-section kid.

C Major-section, I would imagine, MusicMan....

Well done

We’ve established that amputation is the incorrect term. Here’s a more relevant question. At 6 weeks a baby has a heart beat in the womb. Is that 6 week old baby alive ? That question is for both of you.

The fetus has a heartbeat, sure. Is it alive? By how you define "alive," sure. If you pick up a dictionary though, everything that's listed under "alive" are things that a fetus cannot do or be - something that only a birthed human can do. Qualities that only a human has - qualities that a fetus at 6 weeks lacks. It may have a heartbeat, but if it can't do what a baby can do or even survive on its own, until it is birthed, I'll stick with science and call it a fetus. Once it's born, there ya go: one (alive but highly docile) baby.

Of course it’s alive. It was alive at conception. It was two lives prior to that as sperm and egg. I don’t think the question is about when life begins. Grass is alive!

I think it really comes down to a judgement call, a moral opinion, and a subjective one at that. I don’t think this question will ever have a definitive answer.

Wait, are we allowed to count past lives? Assuming the parents of the fetus believe in reincarnation?

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