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If you exaggerate the conversation about weather you get climate change. Birds and the bees/woman's studies, off color jokes/racism, the dating game/ the #metoo movement, Victor Victoria/Bruce Jenner. Humans used to enjoy points of view, now we argue until one kills the other because no one willadmit a flawed argument.

Climate change has been on a steady increase for thousands of years. But in the 50's there was a very dramatic increase in the rate.
While that might only be a few degrees difference, it affects things like how long water is held in the atmosphere (causing drought) or jetstream changes(like the vortex)
Think about how small temp increases can drastically change things, 33 degrees you have water, 32 degrees you have ice.
Its not a very hard concept.

in that Medicare for all poll also.

Troll much?

What the actual fuck

See, I try to have faith in humanity and then I see cunt-shit like this

Brrrrrrrrain dead

Racist fuck. I bet you are a fucking hillbilly that didnt even graduate high school trying to comment on other peoples intelligence.

I take it you dont have children

Correct

What about a young neice or nephew

My youngest relative is a cousin in her 20s

Well maybe its a sign that your lineage is destined to end. :)

If the world is ending, so what?

Why not go skydiving without a parachute then

I’m not looking to rush the process for my own life. I actually enjoy life.

Im just fucking with you

I figured.
Don’t forget to recycle.

Also, the term “polar vortex” has been around since the 1950’s. It is not a term created by global warming believers.

Learn the difference between weather and climate.

See, this is correct. The question was worded badly, so I had to answer in the negative to make it technically true. But this is the actual answer.

.....and you base that on........?

I believe in climate change...just not in the theory that man affects it, or that we can do anything to change weather patterns. It is and will continue to be a money grab. Governments see a revenue stream in pushing this crap. EX: Wind farms are not a solution but there is lot of money in it.

Uh my man wind farms are way more efficient and cleaner than coal for example. Wind farms release nowhere near the amount of greenhouse gases coal does. The only reason the US still supports it is because of the blue collar workers still holding on to a dying industry in areas such as WV. Many jobs could be created with wind farms, but politicians would rather spread fear of “losing” jobs than actually solve problems we are creating. Lastly, if you honestly believe pumping tons and tons of C02, methane, and a wide variety of other greenhouse gasses doesn’t mess up our weather or ecosystem you’re either delusional, or you’re refusing to accept that you were wrong and will do everything in your power to not admit that fact.

Wind power is weak. Now put turbines in the ocean that turn a creat power from ocean currents....i can get behind that but wind farms are an eye sore...create havic for migratory birds...and will never pay for themselves.

Trump and the Russians created it,. They are trying to recreate Red Dawn with a Russian ending. Oh the collusion lol

It's not a cold front.

Yes it is. It is a cold front of air that normally rotates around the northern article circle that spills down from Northern Canada into the United States. Very Common in some areas.

A cold front is on the western side of low pressure and is used mainly when referring to frontal systems.

Cold front can from any direction. The "polar vortex" is just a mass of cooler air that exists year round, I, uh, feel like a Princess Brides quote is very appropriate here.

It's just called the Polar Vortex. It's a different concept than cold fronts. Like I said, cold fronts are used when referring to frontal systems.

i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/010/692/19789999.jpg

Found it!

That photo should refer to your original comment. Literally look at any forecast discussion that includes what a cold front is. It's in reference to when a front passes through an area.

A low pressure system may develop into a front. When it develops into a front, one side of it is called the warm front. This is on the east side and brings most of the precipitation. When the warm front passes then there's the cold front which is always behind the warm front on the west side of a low. Associated weather is little to no precipitation and colder temps. That's what a cold front is. That's a different concept than the polar Vortex.

When something is cold that doesn't mean a cold front passed. For example, temps in an area will be colder when on the eastern side of High Pressure but no one draws fronts on High Pressure.

Luftwafe,,this is exactly what our weatherman was saying tonight on the news.

I know. I have a degree in Atmospheric sciences.

Question: in the Southern Hemisphere is it opposite?

Yes

Thx!

They can’t, because 1. They don’t have minds, and 2. They’ll just change the name to fit their narrative

I'm all for saving the planet but the Democrats have legit turned it into a party issue. They care more about propelling their party to the presidency rather than actually protecting anything.

What's the alternative? We've seen so many environmental rollbacks on regulations under Trump... Damage that can't be undone. Smh

he ain't Republican tbh, he's a wolf in sheep's clothing

I live in Oregon and we get less and less snow every year. It hasn’t been freezing yet here and we’ve had no snow, which is unusual.

The Pacific Ocean is warmer. Thus the west coast is warmer. The further north the warmth (high pressure) goes on the west coast, the more it forces cold air down from the arctic down on the east coast, since the atmosphere in the northern hemisphere moves left to right.

It’s climate change, not global warming. The west will get dryer summers and warmer winter, while the east coast will wetter with colder winters.

We are heating up the planet (in the sense of trapping extra energy in the planetary systems). This will cause unusually cold weather in many instances. The polar vortex is not a planetary cooling.

Exactly. Just read the question objectively without the pretext of Global Warming and it just sounds nutty.

The a very simplistic view and probably brings you comfort.

There are cycles, but nothing is black and white. Humans have an impact on the cycles, and can add to them. If the population was 100 billion people, would you still say they have no impact cause “cycles”

I believe that God is in control of nature and while we can impact the world around us, I don’t believe it’s anything close to the magnitude the MSM would want us to think.
Nature is going to do what nature does. God made the earth and the sun and the stars and the other planets and everything else to take care of themselves to a large degree and to last as long as He wants them to.

Ill play along. In the beginning, God created atoms and the physics that govern them. What more do you want from him? He is not a magician constantly keeping things in control with acts outside the laws of physics. Do you not believe in free will? We have the power to destroy the earth, just as much as we have the power to protect it. Your view is very depressing, almost like you’ve given up. You’ve gone belly up. So Just admit you have no free will, and god will do with your life as he chooses.

Ok, so here’s how I see it. I have a free will. I can take my life and do whatever I want with it. That’s my choice. But God didn’t give humans the right or power or anything to decide how long the world will last. Can we mess up the oceans? Yes. Can we cut down huge amount of forests? Yes. Can we pollute the air? Yes. Can we destroy the earth? No.
I do agree that we can make this a better place to live or a worse place to live by our actions. We could, for example, make the whole world look like LA or London or some of these other big cities. Or we could act responsibly and use our resources in a logical, mature way. But I do not think that we can cause this planet to just spontaneously combust or freeze into an ice cube. That is not in our abilities as puny little humans. And God does not have work outside the laws of physics to keep this universe functioning the way He made it to.


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I don’t think anyone thinks we can make the world spontaneously combust, so I applaud you for staying away from areas of contention. But human do have the power to pollute the earth and raise the temperature by a few degrees Celsius? Agree? I think when people talk about destroying the earth, they aren’t saying literally, rather saying making it less inhabitable for life. That is what separates earth from any of the other rocks in space. They are talking about killing forest, causing animals to die, and polluting the world. We have a choice of turning this world into a heaven or hell; green and full of life, vs dead and polluted. It’s crazy that Christians side with hell, or at least complicit with changes in that direction. And in my opinion MSM doesn’t give it justice. If you read the science, see the pictures and listen to the science community, MSM’s tiny Brains are able to comprehend. So MSM shouldn’t be your go to source.

If and only if humans have any impact...it is so small that it does not affect it in ways alarmists like Al Gore make it out to be. Volcanic activity, solar flares, etc., is what affects the earth on a larger scale.

I think you don’t understand how big 7 billion is. We have tens of thousands of coal plants, millions and millions of cars, tens of billions of live stock. We release millions of pounds of CO2 into the atmosphere per second. Yeah, “little impact”, but one or two Volcanoes; watch out!

“According to the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), the world’s volcanoes, both on land and undersea, generate about 200 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) annually, while our automotive and industrial activities cause some 24 billion tons of CO2 emissions every year worldwide.”

www.scientificamerican.com/article/earthtalks-volcanoes-or-humans/

Also, even if they released the same (which they do not); volcanoes would be natural, ie the baseline, And any activity from humans would be the addition. And even if they released the same (not even close); that would be “doubling” the “norm”. But in reality, when compared to volcanoes, humans are 100x the normal; far out pacing the amount the oceans and plants can handle.

Deluded

No one claims that change doesn't happen without humans, only that we are expediting it.

Actually quite a lot of people deny the ice age/heating cycle of the earth. They also don't realize we are actually still in an ice age.

If we are in an ice age how warm will the summers be when it ends?

Yep👍

How do?

How do what?

No, no we aren’t. You’ve been listening to too many libnazi morons like Michael Moore and Algore

I don’t listen to them. I’m intelligent enough to remember when there used to be four seasons where I live instead of six months of burning hell and six months that go between each season hourly. I remember when we didn’t have a year long wet season with mushrooms overtaking our grass. I know why all of this happening because I received an education on how weather works and knew the dangers of the pilar ice melting since I was a small child in AGP. Also, EVERYTHING is political to me, I actually worry about how what we have done to the earth in the past century will affect not me, not my kids, but their kids, and their grandkids.

👍 yep

Ever heard of the “Ice Ages”? This happened before man was around.

What point are you trying to make lmao?

The point is....the climate changes...WITH OR WITHOUT MAN.

In this case, negatively impacted by mans continual activities that add carbon and methane into the environment.

Yes but only 2%.

Ha ha, I don’t understand or want to understand the science behind climate change

Just make something up and it’ll be as good as any of the doomsday prophets’ sales pitches.

The ozone hole is repairing itself because the world heavily regulated CFCs use and they are banned now.

It’s arrogant to think we don’t have an affect on climate

Wrong. The hole is the same size now as it was back in the 70's.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/world/earths-ozone-layer-is-healing-un-report-says
www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/1893703002
I’ll take the word of scientists instead of someone who thinks “hungliketrump” is a clever username.

The hole in the ozone fluctuates. It was larger in 2018 than the previous 2 years
..most likely due to the volcano that erupted in Hawaii. It will never fully heal and that is not your, mine, or China's fault.

That's not at all the consensus of the Meteorological community. Most of them I talked to explained it as a column of artic air that just extended into Conus.

Get with the 21st century. It is now Climate Change. The Global Warming thing didn’t work out. Just like back in the 70-80’s when we were destroying the Ozone and it fixed itself.

This is all a scam to separate us from our money.

The ozone didn't fix itself...we passed laws that fixed it.

The ozone fixed itself? Lol and I bet you think the Cuyahoga stopped catching on fire “just cause” or that you can swim in Boston harbor nowadays out of sheer willpower.

There is so much junk science out there, but as I searched for your answer, (I guess you’re too lazy), I found stuff that really made me laugh.
Scientist say that the ozone repairing itself is bad news. It will keep the heat in and cause Global Warming.
What in the world did we do 300 years ago without all these government grants to give us Global Warmer or Climate Change, whatever it’s called this week.

My question is, what is the Earth normal average temperature? We have been only recording it for a couple hundred years. Since these political scientists believe the Earth is 100’s of millions years old, 200 years is nothing.

OH I forgot.
Did we get rid of all the cars when global warming was occurring between 400-1000AD? I guess we didn’t learn from political scientists of the time and brought back the car.

You must have seen the movie “The Day After Tomorrow “

This ☝🏻

That's not the reason it's coming South. That is not how weather works.

Cold, dry air has a higher density and thus descends with a counter-clockwise rotation from the Coriolis Effect (Northern Hemisphere). Hot, humid air is low density and conversely rises with a clockwise rotation. As air descends, it becomes more dense and heats up (becoming a less-humid high pressure area). Surface winds flow from high pressure to low pressure areas, increasing updrafts. When it is hot, humid air pushed aloft, that air cools and becomes saturated as the air pressure decreases, resulting in precipitation. ...that’s how weather works.

...normally there would be cold, high pressure areas at the poles that would keep the polar vortex a stable counter-clockwise rotation above the Arctic Circle. (Antarctica keeps the South Polar Vortex stable). Unusual heating of the Arctic Ocean will create a low pressure area with a clockwise rotation to destabilize the polar vortex like an eddy in a river, sending it on a southwest excursion until the natural polar high pressure circulation is restored. Got it?

Your statement is filled with some correct information I guess. Since you seem to know Meteorological terms and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt you didn't copy that from a website then I'll happily discuss this.

First off, cold air or warm air isn't associated with any one circulation. High Pressure is associated with Clock Wise (Anti Cyclonic) rotation and Low pressure is associated with Counter Clock wise (Cyclonic) rotation. The temperature of the air itself isn't inherently assigned to one rotation. One the Eatern side of a High you'll have colder temperatures and on the Western side of a low you'll have colder temperatures.

The Polar Vortex is literally just a hyped up name for the Aritc Jet. Most weather Forecasters hate it when its called that. The Artic Jet just dipped equatorward (down) which isn't unusual for it to reach CONUS. Perhaps climate change had some impact but it's not a doomsday occurrence.

Lol, yeah I got my rotations backwards. ...I need to remember to use the right hand rule. So, why don’t you think that there’s a connection between higher Arctic SSTs and southern excursions of the polar jet stream?

Weather is not a black and white issue a lot the time. A lot of bizarre things happen to where even expert meteorologists of 30+ years can't even fully explain it. We don't even have a concrete theory on how hail is formed. There could be many theories on why the Artic Jet moved equatorward into CONUS and to just put a blanket statement that it was climate change is completely amateur.

I work with DOD, NOAA, and NWS Weather Forecasters and climatologists. Most of them I've talked with don't seem at all worried about it and think the Weather Channel over hyped this for media ratings. Also its beyond retarded they renamed the Artic Jet the Polar Vortex

The Artic Jet also extended into Conus a couple months ago and no one was going crazy. I remember seeing the 528 thickness line reach into Northern Minnesota.

I agree. It must take a lot of hubris to think you know more about climate than climate scientists that devote their entire lives to studying the subject.

Do you assert that someone who spends their entire life studying a subject, are infallible? Are fully correct, by the default virtue of devotion to their studies? Can never arrive at conclusions that fit tightly into the narrative of their biases? Others have devoted the same amount of time in study of the same subject, but drawn different conclusions. Is it hubris to consider these findings with soundness and reason, or would it be hubris to believe there can be only one answer, one outcome, one set of data points that fuel a single belief?

@gonzo ❤️

That was for your eloquence, btw. Just makes me smile.

Well, I ♥️ you right back, and for various happy reasons!...🤗

Happened before will happen again.

It has happened long ago, but it’s happening more frequently now than it has before. My son is nine and has lived through two. I’m in my forties and these two are the first I’ve experienced dangerous cold (higher than -20 or -40 windchill).

That being said - climate change can impact its variability

earthsky.org/earth/how-polar-vortex-connected-to-global-warming

It almost sounds like this polar climate was shifted down to north central USA. Ugh, mother nature does not like conservatives for some reason. Jk, we're all gonna suffer.

Timber, that’s just what liberal Neanderthals said while global warming ended the last Ice Age.

Ask Pelosi

They said the Arctic would be ice free in 19,000 years if they did not act.