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Show Of Hands January 30th, 2019 5:36am

Is space exploration a good use of tax dollars?

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Suzan Hawaii
02/11/19 10:42 pm

NASA has given us some wonderful inventions

grondini Mainer in NC
02/03/19 1:23 am

Better than most of the crap our tax money goes to now!!

whiplash29 ohio
02/02/19 8:32 pm

Finally something reps and dems can agree on. Dems for the discovery and reps for warfare

Liberty Lets Use Logic
01/31/19 7:33 am

It’s a waste of tax dollars.

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sea California
01/30/19 9:12 pm

I guess if it’s to set up military bases

Wizzobutter
01/30/19 9:06 pm

No. If we mess up this planet, then maybe it’s a good investment. However, the Uber wealthy would be the first to leave Earth if possible.

Amaranth Iowa
01/30/19 6:00 pm

Better than war and entitlements

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BamaGirl ROLL TIDE from Arizona
01/30/19 5:24 pm

It’s probably not the best use, but it is far from the worst.

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Jraysonn Atlanta
01/30/19 3:50 pm

Yes, so much technologies we benefit from. Plus, it inspires the youth and creates jobs

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Diknak Ohio
01/30/19 3:30 pm

Fuck yes. In addition to all of the knowledge that we gain, we invent so many technologies that get applied right here on earth.

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dave1969 Ohio, usa
01/30/19 2:16 pm

I didn't think so, but someone pointed out that we aren't just packing cash on rockets and shooting it into space. We're employing people and supporting businesses. Even if we got nothing out of it, it's a good "public works" program. But of course we also get enormous benefits from it.

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DoctorWasdarb Marxist Leninist Maoist
01/30/19 2:03 pm

Not when idiots are saying we can't afford to feed poor people

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kenzbt New York
01/30/19 2:51 pm

Why should government feed anyone? No one feeds me.

DoctorWasdarb Marxist Leninist Maoist
01/30/19 5:45 pm

Government shouldn't have to feed anyone, but we live in capitalism. Liberals like to propose welfare programs as a quick fix to poverty. Of course it won't work, but Republicans prefer to fund space exploration and walls over poor people.

toadder
01/30/19 8:36 pm

One of the few times I disagree with you doctor. Welfare programs are designed to get people stable and back to work with training and job readiness. If we placed as much emphasis on the nit picking rich as we do the poor this nation would be better for it.

DoctorWasdarb Marxist Leninist Maoist
01/31/19 10:00 am

Maybe you missed the part where I'm a communist?

DoctorWasdarb Marxist Leninist Maoist
01/31/19 5:19 pm

But somehow you're suggesting I'm not criticizing the rich enough?

kanji401 SoCal
01/30/19 1:07 pm

It sure beats a useless wall.

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Jerbehr queens
01/30/19 10:13 am

Random exploration is a waste. We should be focus on harvesting materials on the moon/mars

kenzbt New York
01/30/19 2:52 pm

Well.....first comes exploration, then comes resources....it there are any.

Diogenes PARDON ROGER NOW
01/30/19 9:30 am

Let’s explore our oceans first.

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PaperMatic1
01/30/19 9:41 am

For what?

gonzoboy Arizona
01/30/19 10:40 am

A different place to put our plastic...😁

gonzoboy Arizona
01/30/19 10:42 am

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Diogenes PARDON ROGER NOW
01/30/19 11:16 am

#FreeTheBathyspheres

gonzoboy Arizona
01/30/19 11:36 am

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CoffeeNow CCP virus
01/30/19 4:52 pm

“For what?”

We need to find that pink alien city in The Abyss

MrsCrayonWax Kathys Klown
01/30/19 8:02 am

Sound stages and high tech equipment can get really expensive.

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SuperAgain They lie, Get Over It
01/30/19 8:10 am

OMG... I nearly spit out my coffee with that one! 🀣

SuperAgain They lie, Get Over It
01/30/19 7:58 am

Yes, up to a point. Think of it as a quad chart. You’ve got Defense vs. Science purposes on one hand and manned vs. unmanned missions on the other. We also have privately-funded efforts that may take advantage of taxpayer-funded infrastructure. Most of the unmanned Defense and Intelligence space systems are money well spent, but that’s because there is a clear mission and there isn’t a blank check. Likewise, the unmanned NASA/NOAA satellites and probes have ‘mission’ objectives that have to be vetted in order to receive funding. ...these can achieve a lot with relatively limited funding. Manned missions are a whole different ball game...

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SuperAgain They lie, Get Over It
01/30/19 8:08 am

Manned missions are consistently much more expensive, especially in the American culture (low tolerance for loss of our ‘heroes’). Here’s the rub: most missions can be fully achieved by unmanned systems at a significantly lower cost. So you first have to answer the question, why do we NEED the people in space?...

SuperAgain They lie, Get Over It
01/30/19 8:26 am

...we’ve done it for National pride and we may do it again for the same reason, but there are no direct Defense or Intelligence purposes for these efforts. For science, the only scientific value of humans in space is to study humans in space. There could be collateral benefits of a big space effort in terms of changing the country’s devaluation on science and engineering careers, but with increasing debt we simply cannot afford a blank check Government-funded “moonshot” mission to Mars. It’s time to let the private sector take their shot at human space activities.

PaperMatic1
01/30/19 9:44 am

The end goal of space exploration is space colonization. I never saw it as a national pride kind of thing. Though I suppose that is a benefit.

SuperAgain They lie, Get Over It
01/30/19 2:02 pm

Right now, the only two countries that can get people into space are China and Russia. I’d say our current SLS/Orion development is leaning more towards National pride at the moment. However, the private enterprise πŸ˜‰ efforts are much more tuned into what you’re saying. Many are focused on starting with space tourism, but SpaceX has very ambitious goals to colonize Mars. ...we’ll see how well that turns out.

gonzoboy Arizona
01/30/19 7:02 am

I’m givin’ this a limited "Yes". I think there’s a finite benefit to us -and the world in general- and return on our tax dollars, for circumscribed research. However, I’d draw a line at spending million$ of our tax dollars in searching distant solar systems to traipse off to, en masse. This big blue rock is our destiny and our fate. If we can’t figure this out, we have no business polluting other solar systems...
$cience, not $cience fiction!
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ovcourse No Commie Zone
01/30/19 6:45 am

Maybe. If it could one day provide substances that benefit us, like a cure for cancer, then yes.

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Jazzy5 USA
01/30/19 6:12 am

Space the Final Frontier!

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FarmerManE djent
01/30/19 6:01 am

There's nothing within our reach. Total waste of money

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phalnx Ohio
01/30/19 5:05 am

I can't think of a better one. It is literally our future...we either expand into Space, or we eventually run out of resources on Earth.

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ptellini
02/01/19 5:23 am

Nonsense. You are already a space case and you haven’t even been in outer space…that I’m aware of.

phalnx Ohio
02/01/19 5:28 pm

There's a lot about me that you don't know 😎

IEatzCookies East Side
01/30/19 4:37 am

love space exploration, wish I could do it myself, so hell yeah

TheMadScientist the mad laboratory
01/30/19 3:35 am

Earth contains 1 Earth worth of resources. Space contains many Earths worth of resources. Space is the place to base our best case for our race to chase ...umm... can anyone help with more rhymes?

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localjudicial
01/30/19 1:45 am

We can do it better privat companies

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Cal007 New York, New York City
01/30/19 1:36 am

There’s much we don’t know. Humans need to blaze up and start to make more discoveries, whether in space or in the ocean. Humans need to improve not fight against one another until the human race become extinct, we don’t need to be waiting for another event that wiped out the dinosaurs to happen to us.

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PrinceOberyn Io Himeros
01/30/19 1:09 am

Science and discovery are their own rewards. Bloody luddites....

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TsarMoose A Demagogic Country
01/30/19 12:38 am

Space exploration was necessary for the government to start as sort of a kick start. Now with Space X doing things a lot better than NASA in some areas, I find it no longer necessary, however still a better use than a lot of other things.

Diknak Ohio
01/30/19 3:32 pm

Nasa is SpaceX's biggest customer. They aren't competitors, they are business partners.

mrscheisskopf2 Kentucky
01/29/19 11:59 pm

The objective answer is yes because the innovations that come from space and space explorations far outweighs the cost of space exploration

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historylover
01/30/19 8:04 am

The Soviet Union put the first satellite into space. If the United States had not responded, what would have happened? I, for one, would not want to know what the world would be like with Russia and China using satellites and the United States depending on them.

www.popsci.com/nasa-hires-satellite-repair-robot

EatMoreMeat Counting the Fallacies
01/30/19 9:20 am

I’ll admit I’m playing devil’s advocate here, but I think civilization would be just fine without memory foam mattresses, scratch resistant glasses, etc. Sure, they’re nice things to have, but the world would go on, just as it did before we had them.

From a national defense standpoint, I agree I don’t want soviet and Chinese satellites out there doing sketch crap against the US.

I’d argue the Mars missions are useless and a waste of money. There was a Netflix called 7 Days Out I believe, where we shot a rocket at Saturn ...also I think very useless and a poor steward of money. We have problems to fix here on earth which those funds could easily help. Finding bacteria on Mars has no benefit to earthlings

huamantarget michigan
01/30/19 11:08 am

Mars is thought to have been a habitable planet at one point so going there and trying to figure out why it isn’t anymore could help us save earth from the same fate. Also space exploration is how we found out about the runaway green house effect. Venus is closer to the sun than earth by only a little bit in space terms but it can melt lead on its surface which it shouldn’t be able to but it can because it’s atmosphere has high amounts of methane, carbon dioxide and other green house gases which turns the planet into an oven. Also nasa is less than .5% of the budget and the knockoff things that come from nasa have paid for it over the years so I much rather give nasa money than buying our 12 aircraft carrier when the rest of the world only has like 10 combined.

historylover
01/30/19 11:10 am

I’m not a big proponent of travel to Mars either. I wasn’t very favorable toward space research until satellites became important to our way of life and defense and I learned about medical advances and other important innovations that came directly from space research.

EatMoreMeat Counting the Fallacies
01/30/19 11:25 am

And again, I’m agreeing with you guys on most of this, just getting your opinions.

The NASA budget is incredibly small, and use to be much higher in years past.

I think a lot of what they do is indeed very useful for advancing the scientific community. However some of it is stupid. If we colonize Mars, guess what? We’re taking the same problems with us there.

Shooting a rocket to Saturn on a 20 year mission and crashing it into the planet has literally zero benefit to anyone.

It’ll be interesting to see NASAs role shift with the rapid growth in the private sector.

huamantarget michigan
01/30/19 7:48 pm

That Saturn thing wasn’t sent to be crashed into it. It was to study the planet and when it’s mission was over they sent it crashing into Saturn because they didn’t want to risk contaminating Saturns moons that they think have life on them because of tidal forces keeping them warm and the methane lakes that might have methane based life. It wasn’t just sent to be crashed.

EatMoreMeat Counting the Fallacies
01/30/19 7:53 pm

I know, I watched the Netflix doc on it. Very interesting, but couldn’t for the life of me understand why they did it other than to say they did it. If you spent 20 years on a VERY expensive project, and all you could say is we got a pixilated pic of Saturn’s moon, could you honestly say that was time and money well spent?

I also think the same thing about people who do CrossFit. I just think, “sheesh that is a LOT of work, and you don’t even play a sport.” Lots of wasted effort!

huamantarget michigan
01/30/19 9:01 pm

Well they were also studying the atmosphere and everything about the planet and the mission only cost about 3 billion over a 33 year mission 20 years to get there and 13 years for the mission. So like 97 million a year over its whole life. And the thing is for science you can’t really look at the cost and saying is it worth it because we don’t know if it’ll be worth it or not. Like Einstein’s theory of relativity no one knew what paying for that research would get them in the long run but it turns out it was worth every penny and then some. For space travel doing all the mission we’re currently doing is helping in some way of us being more experienced at space travel which will allow us to eventually be able to harness all the resources in our solar system which is estimated in the hundreds of trillions of dollars in materials alone. So we can’t really look at the cost and be like is it worth it because we don’t really know until after it’s done and in many ways it usually is worth it

EatMoreMeat Counting the Fallacies
01/30/19 9:12 pm

That’s all valid and I agree with your point on Einstein. That’s actually well put.

So what do you guys want to talk about now?

american6 Moderate Libertarian
01/29/19 11:02 pm

We’ve got bigger problems. Let private companies do it. They’re way batter at it anyway.

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TomM
01/30/19 2:14 pm

These private companies are even better at finding ways to get tax payer money. Almost all money comes from tax payers.

BeOffended Trump2020
01/29/19 10:54 pm

There’s nothing out there for us

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Andrew99911 Where is the Source
01/30/19 9:22 am

Right, not like there’s space on other planets for habitation, precious metals to be mined on asteroids, a limitless supply of gas or solar energy from planets or the sun respectively, or helium 3, an essential ingredient for fusion energy, on the moon.

There’s nothing out there. Let’s go back to firebombing villages in Afghanistan.

BeOffended Trump2020
01/30/19 9:25 am

Finally someone gets it, thank you for sharing my exact thoughts

Andrew99911 Where is the Source
01/30/19 9:27 am

Phew, I thought we were about to argue about this! I’m glad we can agree.

MonteChristo almost moist
01/29/19 10:44 pm

Honestly maybe, if we put a lot of money into the space budget (which is small rn) then we could actually find something, maybe a planet we can move to when earth is uninhabitable

badattitude no place like home
01/29/19 11:07 pm

You cannot move to another planet until you find a better engine to get the ship there. Right now the fastest ship will take 500,000 years to get there.

2nokneez
01/30/19 12:36 am

Monte. Yes, then we can be squatters there and dooky that and on and on😬

keyboardwarrior Illinois
01/30/19 1:49 am

Even going the speed of light, the nearest star systems are 4.25 and 11.25 light years away. I don’t think we were meant to leave our solar system.

2nokneez
01/30/19 2:05 am

Warrior, you know you could be making that up and who's going to call you on it.