The earth has been going through a warming cycle.
NASA now admits we’re entering a cooling cycle.
We were never in danger of run away warming.
Follow the grant money trail for the truth.
The absolute best part of science is it's true whether you believe it or not. It's also irrelevant if you believe it or not. It's been scientifically proven over and over again.
The idea that the majority of climate change is caused by human activity is definitely a myth. Our climate is incredibly complex, but its main driver is solar activity.
That's not what he said... I'm not expecting a valid counterpoint here the sun is the primary factor in our climate. Mans impact to date has been insignificant. And the Kiluea eruption emitted more carbon than man does over the course of a decade. Global warming was created by the scientific community for money and later became "Climate change" when they noticed it wasn't getting any warmer. Gore predicted that by 2012 the post ice caps would be gone and the would be no snow on Mount Kilimanjaro. Those are just 2 of the hundreds of fraudulent claims that turned out to be wrong given by politicians and "climate scientists" over the years. I know this is difficult for liberals to process. But citing the '97% of scientist agree that global warming is real' stat does not make it real. That's an appeal to authority logical fallacy. If you want to argue that climate change is real you should cite evidence. There is very little evidence that man is having a significant impact on the climate
Actually, ye. The funding of papers and research is big business. I should add that a peer reviewed study of university studies found over 50 % were wrong in their conclusion. Some irony, mostly true.
I have nothing to fear. It’s their job to figure out what to do. Can’t carry everybody. I suggested the don’t by a house at the shore. Best I can do. Hell, I recycle, grow veggies, don’t fertilize, don’t litter, don’t waste fuel, bath weekly, cook my own food, don’t leave lights on, pee outside, and more.
suppressed - please, not all Baby Boomers are dismissive of things that will happen after they’re dead. Speaking for myself (born in the first year of Baby Boomers), and most of the people I know who are of my generation.
I *really* wish my generation wasn’t going to go out with that kind of crap as our legacy. Many of us worked *really* hard in other directions. Cripes, the (modern) environmental movement probably started with us.
Like *any* stereotype of (almost) *any* group, I really, really hate it.
Susanr. One of the worse things for the environment are used and discarded batteries. I can remember in my generation we had them on flashlights! We didn’t have air conditioners either.
Shockingly, the same percentage of people who don’t believe in climate change, is the same as the level of support for Trump. In other news, study finds approximately 30% of Americans are f@cking idiots.
It’s climate change. Can your small brain process the fact that climate change means sometimes it’s hot and sometimes it gets cold. The point is there are radical swings that are caused by climate change.
Yeah and I’m in Michigan. I can tell you that these next couple of days are going to be brutal for us, but Sunday it’s supposed to be 40 and rain. That’s a radical shift. From -50 to 40.
When I was a kid we use to get snow storms all the time. Not so much anymore. Not like they were.
Not even sure why it matters. Shouldn’t we all do what we can to keep the earth clean? Not sure why this is such a partisan issue, other than republicans like the money from the coal and gas.
Yes of course but first those technologies have to be stabilized.
We currently do not have a clean energy source that doesn't have a glaring downside to it.
We are advanced enough to send people to the moon, rovers on mars, can make things that can see hundreds of billions of light years away, but we can’t find a way to harness the energy from the sun, or the waters, or the wind efficiently? I don’t buy it.
Oh the "it doesnt make sense to me therefore its false" agruemnt....
Riiiight, so funny thing about energy, there this thing called the conservation of energy.
Name a clean energy source and I'll tell you why it's either not viable or not as clean as it appears.
There are a *lot* of (predicted) negative consequences of climate change besides just hotter/colder temperatures. Some of them may affect large numbers of people (and life on earth in general) in very significant ways. “Adapting” may be a hell of a lot more difficult that what you might be imagining.
There’s also geothermal heat which once installed pays for itself in a few years. I have a friend who has geothermal heat, and is going to get solar. He will be completely on his own heat and electricity. He’s a cop, his wife doesn’t work, so it can be done. It is a viable energy source that we can do.
No so fast. We came into this conversation knowing that we disagreed let's continue the conversation instead of just shutting it down.
So you do realize geothermal isnt 100% clean right. Coal powered pumps are usually necessary.
"Main disadvantages of geothermal heating are very high installation costs and its positioning, since it requires big yard for horizontal installation and a bedrock-free ground for vertical installation or a well or pond. The Department of Energy estimates that the installation cost on a retrofit can be recouped in two to ten years and sometimes as some experts say payback can be even more than 20 years long."
- www.our-energy.com/geothermal_heating_advantages_and_disadvantages.html
I do understand that, I also understand that for the days it isn’t sunny, that energy can be stored. Same thing with night time.
I think your estimate of 5% sunny days is a little low. Portland averages 144 sunny days a year. Not ideal certainly, but doable by storing the energy. My neck of the woods averages 169 sunny days. 205 is the average for the US.
I think the point about solar and wind sources is that there aren’t so many places where it’s nearly constant, making conventional sources necessary as backup. That backup requires building, running, and maintaining and that makes the renewable source much more expensive than is usually calculated.
@mark4 I find that most people (not including @voc) ignore the negative ramifications of using so called clean energy. These energy sources have a direct negative impact on the environment with the exception of solar.
Solar has a indirect negative impact, from the process of sourcing and creating solar panels.
I’m not sure. I haven’t looked into it because I don’t care. The issue for me isn’t if it’s real, it’s what do we do about it if it is. I’m not going to send money to Leo or Al Gore, and I’m not going to stop using electricity.
I don’t want to go back to the dark ages to prevent a half a degree change in 100 years.
We’ve been on a warming trend since the last ice age. The climate changing isn’t the contentious part of the debate. It’s how much of an effect we humans have, whether or not that effect is actually a negative, and what we should try to do about, if anything.
They have. The consensus is humanity is over 50% responsible which means “mostly responsible”.
If 9 out of 10 doctors told you you must stop eating bacon every day or you will die of a massive heart attack in the next couple years would you keep eating bacon every day?
Somebody posted a question and in it was a pic where the planet was surrounded with satellites and space junk. Maybe that’s blocking the sun rays and we are not warming as predicted!
That would also qualify as human-driven, but there’s no scientific validity. The Greenhouse Effect was first proposed almost 200 years ago and observations since are strongly supporting it.
You’re probably too young to remember when 9 out of 10 doctors told people to stop eating eggs, or they die of a heart attack. They recently realized they were wrong and threw that recommendation out the window. But, but, but science.
“years of exhaustive research. Why don’t you believe them?”
I guess it’s the same reason Democrats don’t want to believe the EXPERTS who work on the Border, day in and day out and emphatically tell us a border wall is both effective and needed to deter illegal immigration.
Glock, what was your excuse for it before trump? This border wall shit only became a crisis when trump said. All of a sudden “experts” said we need it. So before that, why didn’t you believe them?
Glock, not to go on a tangent. I’m not a Democrat so I can’t speak for them. As for me, I’m strongly in favor of increasing border security which is why I’m so opposed to the wall. If you listen to the experts (CBP) they don’t want a wall either. They want more personnel, drones, strategic fencing, better airport security, etc. A wall that can be cut through, scaled, etc in a couple hours is pointless when the average CBP response time is several hours to DAYS. CBP understands spending money on a coast-to-coast wall will only suck resources from places where they could be effective.
So I trust the experts on that. Why don’t you on this? Do you think they’re lying or are they wrong?
Rons- personally, I’m trying to spread awareness. I am a former climate denier myself, but after digging into it I have yet to see any real evidence that it’s NOT occurring. So now my goal is to help skeptics see the light as I did.
As for solutions, the short answer is I like private and market-based solutions. Innovation will be the key. I also want to remove the big government subsidies to fossil fuels, industrial agribusiness, land development, etc that got us into this mess. You’ve all been conned into arguing in favor of big government crony capitalism.
The dems voted many tine for walls. They even past laws about it. It just about not giving into Trump. If Trump was against walks NanChuck would be the first two on the border with Shovels.
I never claimed climate change doesn’t exist. I just do get upset about it. There are extremes on both sides, there are truths on both sides. I can’t take a serious position one way or another. I know it switched from Global Warming to Climate change because of the sever winters we are having.
The other thing is how do we fix it? Idk.
AOC say we only have 12 years if we continue to use fossil fuels. I think she’s nuts but people believe her every word.
I personally think nobody knows how to fix it! What are we going to mandate China and India to do? What progress has the Paris Accords accomplished other then getting a promise from countries. It seems to be a feel good exercise!
Except winters are becoming less severe. They’re getting shorter and warmer overall, but more intense at their peaks. Since the 2000s heat records have been broken twice as often as cold records: agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2009GL040736
There are no “two sides” of climate change... there’s apolitical science and false propaganda.
Omniku....I’m calling BS on everything you have said. You claim the CBP does not want the wall and yet here is a video of a high ranking Border Patrol officer saying the exact opposite of what you claim. youtu.be/jIVtrjSgW3w
“you listen to the experts (CBP) they don’t want a wall either. They want more personnel, drones, strategic fencing, better airport security, etc. A wall that can be cut through, scaled, etc in a couple hours is pointless when the average CBP response time is several hours to DAYS. CBP understands spending money on a coast-to-coast wall will only suck resources from places where they could be effective.
So I trust the experts on that. Why don’t you on this? Do you think they’re lying or are they wrong?”
BS. Send me a link or a video where the Border Patrol claims they do not want the wall.
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