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voc January 29th, 2019 8:19pm

Do you feel that global warming is a myth?

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lando777
02/03/19 6:22 pm

1st of all a myth is a tale to explain something, you can explain that it could be false, which it isn’t, but it most definitely isn’t a myth

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UniteTheRight Maryland
01/31/19 3:14 pm

"We'll all be underwater in 10 years" they've said since the 70s

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ladyniner81 Embrace your inner dork
01/30/19 6:35 pm

It's 0° degrees here where is the global warming? *whiny sarcasm*

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ikeurban21 B L C
01/30/19 4:39 pm

If it’s not, we need to really start burning some more fossil fuels

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mark4
01/30/19 5:19 am

The earth has been going through a warming cycle.
NASA now admits we’re entering a cooling cycle.
We were never in danger of run away warming.
Follow the grant money trail for the truth.

Calvinist Amsterdam NL
01/30/19 2:50 am

At least 31% is sane, that's good I guess

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SHOWofFIST Flint, MI
01/29/19 10:41 pm

The absolute best part of science is it's true whether you believe it or not. It's also irrelevant if you believe it or not. It's been scientifically proven over and over again.

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htcbump Florida
01/29/19 10:34 pm

The temp has been increasing for 15000 years.

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Squidboy Snarkapottamus
01/29/19 8:34 pm

Facts don’t care about your feelings. It’s real....read a science book.

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Casper Deep inthe Heart ofTexas
01/29/19 8:32 pm

90% hype for profit.
10% maybe but probably not.

It would be easier to accept if it weren’t hyped so much by opportunists & gold diggers.

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thatguy2 I am Antifa
01/29/19 10:13 pm

As opposed to the multi billion dollar oil companies on the other side?

mark4
02/01/19 5:54 am

It's already been shown that the money pushing the AGW agenda swamps the money going to deniers.

HBNY this space for rent
01/29/19 7:49 pm

Not in the least bit.

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snagglepuss Story Time
01/29/19 7:39 pm

No. I think it’s the truth. I have done my research and I can see changes in my lifetime. I trust science.

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TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
01/29/19 6:10 pm

The idea that the majority of climate change is caused by human activity is definitely a myth. Our climate is incredibly complex, but its main driver is solar activity.

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suppressedID I cant breathe
01/29/19 7:17 pm

So God is doing this to us.

Tommy1776
01/29/19 7:32 pm

That's not what he said... I'm not expecting a valid counterpoint here the sun is the primary factor in our climate. Mans impact to date has been insignificant. And the Kiluea eruption emitted more carbon than man does over the course of a decade. Global warming was created by the scientific community for money and later became "Climate change" when they noticed it wasn't getting any warmer. Gore predicted that by 2012 the post ice caps would be gone and the would be no snow on Mount Kilimanjaro. Those are just 2 of the hundreds of fraudulent claims that turned out to be wrong given by politicians and "climate scientists" over the years. I know this is difficult for liberals to process. But citing the '97% of scientist agree that global warming is real' stat does not make it real. That's an appeal to authority logical fallacy. If you want to argue that climate change is real you should cite evidence. There is very little evidence that man is having a significant impact on the climate

Zfilakas Eleftheria i Thanatos
01/29/19 10:13 pm

Anthropogenic climate change: myth......

Earth is only 6000 years old: Fact.....


Why should anyone take anything you have to say on the matter seriously?

SHIPPY1944 Tn.
01/29/19 5:08 pm

Most Global warming data is skewed by some scientists to produce the flawed projected results they trying to push🤥❗️

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suppressedID I cant breathe
01/29/19 6:05 pm

Yeah, those scientists are getting rich! What a money maker 💰

htcbump Florida
01/29/19 10:39 pm

Actually, ye. The funding of papers and research is big business. I should add that a peer reviewed study of university studies found over 50 % were wrong in their conclusion. Some irony, mostly true.

Whatsamattaferu 11726
01/29/19 4:20 pm

If it is happening it’s occurring naturally . The earth does share the same concerns as humans it will survive .

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rons on top of the world MA
01/29/19 3:38 pm

No, but I don’t think it’s as serious as some make it out to be. At 76 I have nothing to fear.

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thatguy2 I am Antifa
01/29/19 3:44 pm

No grandkids?

suppressedID I cant breathe
01/29/19 6:05 pm

Screw’em
- the Baby Boomers

rons on top of the world MA
01/29/19 6:24 pm

I have nothing to fear. It’s their job to figure out what to do. Can’t carry everybody. I suggested the don’t by a house at the shore. Best I can do. Hell, I recycle, grow veggies, don’t fertilize, don’t litter, don’t waste fuel, bath weekly, cook my own food, don’t leave lights on, pee outside, and more.

susanr Colorado
01/29/19 11:15 pm

suppressed - please, not all Baby Boomers are dismissive of things that will happen after they’re dead. Speaking for myself (born in the first year of Baby Boomers), and most of the people I know who are of my generation.

I *really* wish my generation wasn’t going to go out with that kind of crap as our legacy. Many of us worked *really* hard in other directions. Cripes, the (modern) environmental movement probably started with us.

Like *any* stereotype of (almost) *any* group, I really, really hate it.

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rons on top of the world MA
01/30/19 7:02 am

Susanr. One of the worse things for the environment are used and discarded batteries. I can remember in my generation we had them on flashlights! We didn’t have air conditioners either.

arctostaphylos Ankh Morpork, New York
01/30/19 1:35 pm

At 76, rons is not likely a Boomer but rather from the Silent Generation.

rons on top of the world MA
01/30/19 2:15 pm

1943! A war baby.

Pounder750
01/29/19 3:26 pm

Shockingly, the same percentage of people who don’t believe in climate change, is the same as the level of support for Trump. In other news, study finds approximately 30% of Americans are f@cking idiots.

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htcbump Florida
01/29/19 10:40 pm

Your confirmation bias is showing along with your false equivalency.

thatguy2 I am Antifa
01/29/19 10:44 pm

You don’t understand what you’re saying.

ssfiddler1 TRUMP2020
01/29/19 3:24 pm

Try to tell Chicago global warming is real

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Zfilakas Eleftheria i Thanatos
01/29/19 3:51 pm

As someone living in the Chicago metropolitan area, global warming is real.

Pounder750
01/29/19 3:53 pm

It’s climate change. Can your small brain process the fact that climate change means sometimes it’s hot and sometimes it gets cold. The point is there are radical swings that are caused by climate change.

voc I am...what I am
01/29/19 4:29 pm

Yeah and I’m in Michigan. I can tell you that these next couple of days are going to be brutal for us, but Sunday it’s supposed to be 40 and rain. That’s a radical shift. From -50 to 40.

When I was a kid we use to get snow storms all the time. Not so much anymore. Not like they were.

cpaswr just say the letters
01/29/19 5:49 pm

Another one near Chicago. The temps between now and Thursday night/Friday morning are going to be brutally cold.

Zach21 California
01/29/19 3:23 pm

No, evidence suggests that global warming is very real despite idiots who claim that "since it’s cold outside, it can’t be real"

That’s like saying since I ate a sandwich today, world hunger must be a hoax.

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voc I am...what I am
01/29/19 3:22 pm

I believe it is.

Not even sure why it matters. Shouldn’t we all do what we can to keep the earth clean? Not sure why this is such a partisan issue, other than republicans like the money from the coal and gas.

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Robert01 existentialist
01/29/19 3:38 pm

Why don't we just do what we've done in the past and adapt to our situation?

voc I am...what I am
01/29/19 3:41 pm

Couldn’t clean energies, recycling, lower emissions etc be part of that adaptation?

Robert01 existentialist
01/29/19 3:43 pm

Yes of course but first those technologies have to be stabilized.
We currently do not have a clean energy source that doesn't have a glaring downside to it.

voc I am...what I am
01/29/19 3:45 pm

Don’t you think that seems weird?

Robert01 existentialist
01/29/19 3:46 pm

Not particularly could you be more specific.

voc I am...what I am
01/29/19 3:50 pm

We are advanced enough to send people to the moon, rovers on mars, can make things that can see hundreds of billions of light years away, but we can’t find a way to harness the energy from the sun, or the waters, or the wind efficiently? I don’t buy it.

Robert01 existentialist
01/29/19 3:54 pm

Oh the "it doesnt make sense to me therefore its false" agruemnt....

Riiiight, so funny thing about energy, there this thing called the conservation of energy.
Name a clean energy source and I'll tell you why it's either not viable or not as clean as it appears.

susanr Colorado
01/29/19 11:19 pm

There are a *lot* of (predicted) negative consequences of climate change besides just hotter/colder temperatures. Some of them may affect large numbers of people (and life on earth in general) in very significant ways. “Adapting” may be a hell of a lot more difficult that what you might be imagining.

voc I am...what I am
01/30/19 6:19 am

I’m still waiting for you to tell me why solar isn’t viable or isn’t as clean as it appears

Robert01 existentialist
01/30/19 6:24 am

Oh my bad.

We don't have the capacity to store the power from solar in large quantities enough to hook up to the grid.

voc I am...what I am
01/30/19 6:27 am

Wouldn’t need to. There are several people that are off the grid using solar and batteries right in their home.

Robert01 existentialist
01/30/19 6:37 am

Right look how big the battery are for a single home...

voc I am...what I am
01/30/19 6:43 am

Not that big.

Cost is the biggest factor in solar

There’s also geothermal heat which once installed pays for itself in a few years. I have a friend who has geothermal heat, and is going to get solar. He will be completely on his own heat and electricity. He’s a cop, his wife doesn’t work, so it can be done. It is a viable energy source that we can do.

Robert01 existentialist
01/30/19 6:57 am

Again these work in an individual circumstance but they do not work towards the grid we do not have the ability to store power at that quantity.

Robert01 existentialist
01/30/19 6:58 am

And I would wonder how many acres we would have to use for geothermal heat to work for cities.

voc I am...what I am
01/30/19 7:03 am

Why would we have to be on a grid? Why couldn’t it be done individually?

Robert01 existentialist
01/30/19 7:06 am

Just doesnt work.

There isnt enough space in large populated areas for this to occur.

voc I am...what I am
01/30/19 7:08 am

I disagree. That’s ok. We can disagree.

Robert01 existentialist
01/30/19 7:42 am

No so fast. We came into this conversation knowing that we disagreed let's continue the conversation instead of just shutting it down.

So you do realize geothermal isnt 100% clean right. Coal powered pumps are usually necessary.

"Main disadvantages of geothermal heating are very high installation costs and its positioning, since it requires big yard for horizontal installation and a bedrock-free ground for vertical installation or a well or pond. The Department of Energy estimates that the installation cost on a retrofit can be recouped in two to ten years and sometimes as some experts say payback can be even more than 20 years long."
- www.our-energy.com/geothermal_heating_advantages_and_disadvantages.html

voc I am...what I am
01/30/19 7:53 am

Good article.

For now, geothermal may not be 100% clean, but, it’s better than what we currently have. For those who don’t have the room, there’s still solar.

Robert01 existentialist
01/30/19 8:02 am

And what if their local doesn't have good weather?

voc I am...what I am
01/30/19 8:04 am

That’s what the batteries are for

Robert01 existentialist
01/30/19 8:11 am

Yes, kinda necessary for solar anyway, but if you dont have sunlight at the right angle then you effective charge is minimal.

voc I am...what I am
01/30/19 8:15 am

Move the panels. Have them on a thingie (if I get too technical with terms let me know 😜) that automatically moves with the sun.

Robert01 existentialist
01/30/19 8:46 am

You took that wrong.
The angle is correctable yes, the amount of sunlight is not.

Cloud shine can generate energy but not a lot.

voc I am...what I am
01/30/19 8:59 am

How many parts of the world are without sunlight?

Robert01 existentialist
01/30/19 9:00 am

I don't think you understand solar panels work best with direct sunlight a cloudy rainy day will still provide energy but not much.

Robert01 existentialist
01/30/19 9:01 am

I use Portland Oregon as an example because that's where I live and here it's about 80% rain and gloomy cloudiness and 5% Sun.

voc I am...what I am
01/30/19 9:21 am

I do understand that, I also understand that for the days it isn’t sunny, that energy can be stored. Same thing with night time.

I think your estimate of 5% sunny days is a little low. Portland averages 144 sunny days a year. Not ideal certainly, but doable by storing the energy. My neck of the woods averages 169 sunny days. 205 is the average for the US.

Robert01 existentialist
01/30/19 10:35 am

Idk were your getting those numbers but 144 seam drastically too high.

I would be surprised if it's over 60days.

voc I am...what I am
01/30/19 10:37 am

Lol I understand, it feels that way here too sometimes, but here’s where I got it: www.bestplaces.net/climate/city/oregon/portland

Robert01 existentialist
01/30/19 10:38 am

Oh just looked it up.
144 is an average that includes 'partly sunny days. That's a reasonable assumption.

mark4
02/01/19 6:02 am

I think the point about solar and wind sources is that there aren’t so many places where it’s nearly constant, making conventional sources necessary as backup. That backup requires building, running, and maintaining and that makes the renewable source much more expensive than is usually calculated.

Robert01 existentialist
02/01/19 6:08 am

@mark4 I find that most people (not including @voc) ignore the negative ramifications of using so called clean energy. These energy sources have a direct negative impact on the environment with the exception of solar.
Solar has a indirect negative impact, from the process of sourcing and creating solar panels.

lando777
01/29/19 3:18 pm

Only idiots don’t believe in climate change, it’s like the world is flat

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ssfiddler1 TRUMP2020
01/29/19 3:26 pm

Please explain why do you have to be a idiot to not believe in global warming?

rons on top of the world MA
01/29/19 3:39 pm

Just do as you are told.

xxxceo Dominate The Streets
01/29/19 2:01 pm

I’m not sure. I haven’t looked into it because I don’t care. The issue for me isn’t if it’s real, it’s what do we do about it if it is. I’m not going to send money to Leo or Al Gore, and I’m not going to stop using electricity.
I don’t want to go back to the dark ages to prevent a half a degree change in 100 years.

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Krystina Live and Let Live
01/29/19 1:57 pm

We’ve been on a warming trend since the last ice age. The climate changing isn’t the contentious part of the debate. It’s how much of an effect we humans have, whether or not that effect is actually a negative, and what we should try to do about, if anything.

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suppressedID I cant breathe
01/29/19 1:36 pm

FEEL all you like. Science deals in facts.

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GlockMan1 Alabama
01/29/19 2:33 pm

Still waiting on a scientist to tell me what percentage of climate change is man made and what percentage is natural!

voc I am...what I am
01/29/19 3:19 pm

Why? You wouldn’t believe it anyway.

omniku dot com
01/29/19 3:26 pm

They have. The consensus is humanity is over 50% responsible which means “mostly responsible”.

If 9 out of 10 doctors told you you must stop eating bacon every day or you will die of a massive heart attack in the next couple years would you keep eating bacon every day?

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omniku dot com
01/29/19 3:26 pm

And welcome back, voc!

rons on top of the world MA
01/29/19 3:41 pm

Somebody posted a question and in it was a pic where the planet was surrounded with satellites and space junk. Maybe that’s blocking the sun rays and we are not warming as predicted!

omniku dot com
01/29/19 4:12 pm

That would also qualify as human-driven, but there’s no scientific validity. The Greenhouse Effect was first proposed almost 200 years ago and observations since are strongly supporting it.

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ovcourse No Commie Zone
01/29/19 6:49 pm

You’re probably too young to remember when 9 out of 10 doctors told people to stop eating eggs, or they die of a heart attack. They recently realized they were wrong and threw that recommendation out the window. But, but, but science.

GlockMan1 Alabama
01/29/19 6:51 pm

“They have. The consensus is humanity is over 50% responsible which means “mostly responsible”.

🤪😂🤪😂HOW did they come to that laughable conclusion? 🤪😂🤪😂

omniku dot com
01/29/19 7:59 pm

Ovcourse, you don’t know anything about me. That wasn’t a scientific consensus, that was a popular consensus.

omniku dot com
01/29/19 8:00 pm

Glock... years of exhaustive research. Why don’t you believe them?

GlockMan1 Alabama
01/30/19 9:35 am

“years of exhaustive research. Why don’t you believe them?”

I guess it’s the same reason Democrats don’t want to believe the EXPERTS who work on the Border, day in and day out and emphatically tell us a border wall is both effective and needed to deter illegal immigration.

rons on top of the world MA
01/30/19 10:11 am

Even AON knew it would cost Trillions.

voc I am...what I am
01/30/19 10:13 am

Glock, what was your excuse for it before trump? This border wall shit only became a crisis when trump said. All of a sudden “experts” said we need it. So before that, why didn’t you believe them?

omniku dot com
01/30/19 12:19 pm

Glock, not to go on a tangent. I’m not a Democrat so I can’t speak for them. As for me, I’m strongly in favor of increasing border security which is why I’m so opposed to the wall. If you listen to the experts (CBP) they don’t want a wall either. They want more personnel, drones, strategic fencing, better airport security, etc. A wall that can be cut through, scaled, etc in a couple hours is pointless when the average CBP response time is several hours to DAYS. CBP understands spending money on a coast-to-coast wall will only suck resources from places where they could be effective.

So I trust the experts on that. Why don’t you on this? Do you think they’re lying or are they wrong?

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suppressedID I cant breathe
01/30/19 12:22 pm

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omniku dot com
01/30/19 12:24 pm

Rons- personally, I’m trying to spread awareness. I am a former climate denier myself, but after digging into it I have yet to see any real evidence that it’s NOT occurring. So now my goal is to help skeptics see the light as I did.

As for solutions, the short answer is I like private and market-based solutions. Innovation will be the key. I also want to remove the big government subsidies to fossil fuels, industrial agribusiness, land development, etc that got us into this mess. You’ve all been conned into arguing in favor of big government crony capitalism.

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rons on top of the world MA
01/30/19 12:25 pm

The dems voted many tine for walls. They even past laws about it. It just about not giving into Trump. If Trump was against walks NanChuck would be the first two on the border with Shovels.

rons on top of the world MA
01/30/19 12:30 pm

Idk, seems like walls work. A drone may see them crossing but step one foot in the US and they are in.
www.cbp.gov/border-security/border-wall/border-wall-system-frequently-asked-questions

rons on top of the world MA
01/30/19 12:42 pm

I never claimed climate change doesn’t exist. I just do get upset about it. There are extremes on both sides, there are truths on both sides. I can’t take a serious position one way or another. I know it switched from Global Warming to Climate change because of the sever winters we are having.
The other thing is how do we fix it? Idk.
AOC say we only have 12 years if we continue to use fossil fuels. I think she’s nuts but people believe her every word.
I personally think nobody knows how to fix it! What are we going to mandate China and India to do? What progress has the Paris Accords accomplished other then getting a promise from countries. It seems to be a feel good exercise!

omniku dot com
01/30/19 5:39 pm

Except winters are becoming less severe. They’re getting shorter and warmer overall, but more intense at their peaks. Since the 2000s heat records have been broken twice as often as cold records: agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2009GL040736

There are no “two sides” of climate change... there’s apolitical science and false propaganda.

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GlockMan1 Alabama
01/30/19 6:50 pm

Omniku....I’m calling BS on everything you have said. You claim the CBP does not want the wall and yet here is a video of a high ranking Border Patrol officer saying the exact opposite of what you claim. youtu.be/jIVtrjSgW3w

GlockMan1 Alabama
01/30/19 8:41 pm

“you listen to the experts (CBP) they don’t want a wall either. They want more personnel, drones, strategic fencing, better airport security, etc. A wall that can be cut through, scaled, etc in a couple hours is pointless when the average CBP response time is several hours to DAYS. CBP understands spending money on a coast-to-coast wall will only suck resources from places where they could be effective.

So I trust the experts on that. Why don’t you on this? Do you think they’re lying or are they wrong?”

BS. Send me a link or a video where the Border Patrol claims they do not want the wall.

Robert01 existentialist
01/29/19 1:21 pm

Global warming isn't the myth it however is full of misinformation.

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