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SuperAgain January 29th, 2019 3:35pm

How does a border wall solve a refugee problem any better than a ban on abortion would solve the problem of unwanted pregnancies? In other words, are the real solutions to these problems to be found at their source rather than the destination?

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mcable
02/04/19 9:08 pm

Refugee problem: Decriminalize drugs. Fund recovery instead of enforcement. Support real trade with and economic stability in Central America.

Abortion problem: Teach safe sex. Teach that sex is to be entered into responsibly. Encourage contraception of all kinds. De-shame sex, so if abortions happen, it’s on day 1 instead of day 100.

Suzan Hawaii
01/29/19 7:56 pm

Nothing is 100%. However, it is a deterrent.

Tariq88 Utah
01/29/19 4:19 pm

It doesn't, it is just Trump trying to show off or him trying to use an excuse to get money to pay his debt off with the Russian oligarchs.

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tony1987
01/29/19 3:13 pm

Border wall has nothing to do with abortion. Drugs coming from the south is a major problem and needs to be stopped.

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SuperAgain They lie, Get Over It
01/30/19 2:11 pm

I won’t try to explain the purpose of using an analogy if you didn’t follow that, but I do agree about the trafficking of contraband across our borders is a real problem. The walls we already have, limit that to border crossings. The crisis is that we don’t have enough people and resources to fight that problem effectively.

tony1987
01/30/19 9:22 pm

So... what do u think? Just put more people and tech at the crossing? If so, where do you think the criminals are gonna go next? When the democrats claim that majority of the drugs are from the crossings, that’s BS. That’s just the numbers of what they DID catch. Not all the ones missed. Could be tens of thousands of lbs coming over in backpacks at unsecured/unpatrolled sections of the border. Doesn’t matter how strong the chain is. It’s only as strong as it’s weakest link.

SuperAgain They lie, Get Over It
01/29/19 2:28 pm

So let’s review the border problems:

1. Drug trafficking: Where? - mostly smuggled in at border crossings and some tunnels under the wall at border cities. Wall? - doesn’t help. Who? - Customs and Border Protection Agents at the crossings and Coast Guard personnel at sea our our front line defenses. Need? - More Government personnel in these critical roles are needed the most. Root Cause? - A black market demand for these drugs.

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SuperAgain They lie, Get Over It
01/29/19 2:42 pm

2. Refugees: Where? - concentrated at border crossings with some desperate enough to cross the barriers and seek out Border Patrol Agents. Wall? - will only further concentrate refugees at the crossings. Root Cause? - Unstable countries in our ‘back yard’ that have violent regimes or dreadful economic conditions. Who? - Customs and Border Protection Agents at the crossings and Border Patrol are the ‘responders,’ but our State Department diplomats are actually our primary defense. Need? - Concerted action by US diplomats and politicians to form international coalitions to stabilize the home countries of these refugees.

SuperAgain They lie, Get Over It
01/29/19 2:57 pm

3. Illegals: Where? - mostly Visa overstays by foreigners already in country, with a much smaller number of desperate people crossing the border. Wall? - nothing for Visa overstayers, but might help with the apprehension of the border crossers ...only with an adequate Border Patrol. Root Cause? - perceived economic opportunities in the USA. Who? - Customs and Border Protection Agents at the crossings and Border Patrol are obviously involved, but ICE Agents with the resources to track down illegals in country are critical. Need? - Perhaps a whole new approach to managing foreign visitors in the USA with sufficient ICE personnel to locate people in country.

SuperAgain They lie, Get Over It
01/29/19 3:00 pm

...a border barrier just isn’t an end-all solution to these problems. On most cases, it doesn’t really do much. It takes dedicated government employees from many agencies, working together, to really deal with these problems.

ozzy
01/29/19 11:50 am

The wall is to keep them from touching US soil before their hearing. Only about 7% of those who claim asylum at the southern border are granted asylum, but it takes 3 years to have their hearing. Over 90% once let into the US never show up for their hearing.

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SuperAgain They lie, Get Over It
01/29/19 1:59 pm

What you’re suggesting is an illegal action by the Trump Administration. I guess that would make them illegals too. So, if we build the wall for that purpose, do we get to deport Trump and his lackeys? ...I’d support the wall for that! 不不不不不

CoffeeNow CCP virus
01/29/19 8:45 am

My understanding is the wall isn’t meant to solve the refugee situation at all. We already have an asylum program where refugees can claim. The wall is for illegals

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voc I am...what I am
01/29/19 11:15 am

Ok then remove refugee and put in illegal.

voc I am...what I am
01/29/19 11:16 am

And what is a necker cube?

CoffeeNow CCP virus
01/29/19 11:30 am

The true shape of the earth. Not sure if you’re woke enough though

voc I am...what I am
01/29/19 11:33 am

Well, I got up at 7, had 2 cups of coffee, but then I had a pretty big lunch so I am a little sleepy

Tariq88 Utah
01/29/19 4:23 pm

Yes, that is common sense that it is for combating undocumented immigrants but it is not necessary because we already have a fence and people will still find their way around a wall. Plus building a wall does hurt the criminals, it hurts the innocent families.