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MrMilkdud June 11th, 2018 5:53am

Pride is regarded as the worst of the 7 Deadly Sins because a proud person is too arrogant to realize that they are even committing a sin. Is the β€œPride” slogan of the LGBT community a deliberate attempt to celebrate the worst kind of sin?

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Maira Smash patriarchy
06/15/18 8:07 am

The pride described by the LGBT community isn't the sort of pride synonymous with arrogance. Pride, for the LGBT community, is the willingness to accept who you are and not be ashamed. A lack of shame is not the same as a lack of humility.

Since you bring it up, though, wouldn't nationalism/pride in one's birthplace be equally sinful? Perhaps even more, because it's being used to oppress people?

MrMilkdud
06/15/18 9:03 am

I’ve already addressed the issue of definitions below.

Your other question doesn’t pertain to me.
I’m not a nationalist. While I appreciate the greatness and uniqueness of this country, and am grateful that I was born here, I wouldn’t call that “pride.”
I would agree that some types of patriotic displays are on the same level of sinful pride as a gay pride parade, with the caveat that patriotic pride doesn’t have the addition layer of celebrating something that is intrinsically disordered.

ladyniner81 I need chocolate
06/13/18 7:36 am

You don't have pride in being a evangelical?

MrMilkdud
06/13/18 7:37 am

I’m not an evangelical.

Praetorianus Fair enough.
06/11/18 2:45 pm

I think when Luther translated the Bible he used the German word for haughtiness, not pride in the sense we use it in everyday conversation.

Diogenes FreeMeBe
06/11/18 2:59 pm

Stop thinking and start drinking!

cowboy Doors of Perception
06/11/18 7:45 am

There are no coincidences, so that is very interesting. Filthy perverts.

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suppressedID suck it Kyle
06/11/18 6:23 am

You’ll be going after every High School Rally Squad with this deluded line of thinking.

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MrMilkdud
06/11/18 8:49 am

I’m ok with that. High school rally squads are awful and someone needs to stop them.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
06/11/18 9:23 am

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zimmy Florida
06/11/18 4:27 am

Well we all have pride, so it’s really a non issue, unless you want to be a hypocrite

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MrMilkdud
06/11/18 5:28 am

I don’t think you’re differentiating between celebrating sin and struggling with sin.

Wackacrat Harford County
06/11/18 3:13 am

Like you said. They don’t even know it.

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jlong105 Indiana
06/11/18 2:49 am

LGBT pride good. American pride makes no sense as you can’t be proud of the happenstance of your birth. LGBT born that way...

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TrueAmerican7 I Am Galt.
06/11/18 5:41 am

Did you just contradict yourself?

jlong105 Indiana
06/11/18 5:43 am

Just trying to translate left thinking. πŸ˜‰

TrueAmerican7 I Am Galt.
06/11/18 6:04 am

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benseth 11,780 votes
06/11/18 6:13 am

Those are somewhat comparable imo. After a certain age of maturity when you have weighed your options, you could choose to move to another country.

Maira Smash patriarchy
06/15/18 8:09 am

I think there's a difference between being proud of a socially repressed part of your identity and being proud of your nationality, since nations are a tool of oppression.

benseth 11,780 votes
06/15/18 8:15 am

There are definitely differences. My point is that there are things that are inherent from birth and also environmental stimuli that contribute to both imo.

ctskapski x
06/11/18 2:44 am

Lol, no.

Anyone with an understanding of the word on knows it refers to specific types of pride, like Hubris, or Vainglory, which is an inordinate pride, like thinking one is the best of the best, and can't be beaten, rather than just a feeling of pleasure or satisfaction in one's own achievements, the achievements of those with whom one is closely associated, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired.

Pride may not be the best word for the "pride" movement, maybe self-acceptance, but it still fits the definition... But not the definition of pride the sin.

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MrMilkdud
06/11/18 5:35 am

I’d agree that it has to do with degrees of pride, and that vainglory is closer to the original intent of the word.

And I’d assert that setting aside an entire month to celebrate oneself with ads and parades and festivals fits that definition.

benseth 11,780 votes
06/11/18 6:15 am

I also think it’s more of a misnomer than an embrace of the actual sin.

ctskapski x
06/11/18 6:38 am

Well, to be clear, blaming gays (or, more specifically, the public LGBT community) for ads or marketing campaigns related to pride month or any pride event is more than a little absurd.

The ads and pride-related marketing campaigns are generally geared toward gays, rather than made by them.

ctskapski x
06/11/18 6:40 am

And I don't really see the point of the parades, but suicide rates are higher, and feelings of self worth are lower, among gay youths (of either gender), so I can't say I don't see any merit in a month geared towards promoting acceptance (and self acceptance,) honestly.

bower8899 ...
06/11/18 6:45 am

As a lesbian, I definitely agree that pride isn't really the right term for the movement. Because it's not about pride, it's about raising awareness for lgbt issues and helping lgbt people accept themselves. Idk another term that would work and isn't a mouth full though

ctskapski x
06/11/18 6:49 am

"pride" is a much more marketable slogan than "issues awareness," so it's the one that was able to be popularized in the media.
Memetics.

benseth 11,780 votes
06/11/18 6:51 am

So if awareness was sufficiently or adequately raised, would there no longer be reason for a dedicated month?

bower8899 ...
06/11/18 6:53 am

I mean, when we eradicate homophobia entirely. But that isn't any time soon.

And again, it's only half issue awareness. Helping lgbt people accept who they are is the other half.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
06/11/18 6:57 am

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benseth 11,780 votes
06/11/18 6:59 am

You are never going to a eradicate homophobia entirely just as you’ll never eradicate racism (or bigotry toward a heterosexual for whatever reason) entirely either.

ctskapski x
06/11/18 7:09 am

I don't really think there is a "need" for an entire month, but I do see merit in it, as just a method of raising awareness of the issues remaining.

MrMilkdud
06/11/18 7:16 am

@ctskapski

“so I can't say I don't see any merit in a month geared towards promoting acceptance (and self acceptance,) honestly.”

Do you see how you changed your language to get away from the idea of “pride” and toward something a little different? We can disagree on whether a person should try to accept particular sins or sinful urges, but I think we all seem to agree that “pride” isn’t the right branding.

benseth 11,780 votes
06/11/18 7:40 am

Don’t get me wrong, I do advocate for an acceptance of all people. Especially good, law-abiding people, homosexual or not. But an actual utopia is not possible; it’s only a goal that we can approach.

ctskapski x
06/11/18 8:14 am

I didn't change my language. From my first post I said I don't think pride is a good name for it.

xxxceo Nationalist
06/11/18 12:24 am

Probably coincidental as I don’t think that they care too much about sin.

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Talren Libertarian Socialist
06/10/18 11:41 pm

If that’s truly the case, then besides lust and envy, “pride” is by far the stupidest thing to be considered sinful by the Bible. Every Christian I’ve ever met interprets the biblical meaning of “pride” in such a way that still allows them to take pride in their identity as a Christian and as an American. How is this any different?

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MrMilkdud
06/11/18 5:36 am

Are you making a “two wrongs makes a right” argument?

MrMilkdud
06/11/18 8:51 am

Yes.

Talren Libertarian Socialist
06/11/18 8:55 am

Why did you ask me then?

And I never said those Christians are wrong. So no, that is not my argument.

MrMilkdud
06/11/18 9:02 am

Reread your first comment. Either you’re asserting that both are bad, so someone who celebrates the latter has no moral ground to criticize the former, or, if you’re new spin is true, then you’re asserting a moral equivalence in celebrating things that are intrinsically disordered and celebrating things that are, at worst, morally neutral.

Maybe you should take some time to figure out what you meant to say.

Talren Libertarian Socialist
06/11/18 9:08 am

I never mentioned or alluded to anything that is intrinsically disordered. If that’s what you think LGBT is, then your issue lies there, not with taking pride in an identity.

Perhaps you should take a moment to figure out what it was you were trying to say.

MrMilkdud
06/11/18 9:12 am

I’m just pointing out one of the differences in the things you’re comparing.

Praetorianus Fair enough.
06/10/18 11:29 pm

I think pride here is the wrong term.
You can only be proud of personal achievements.
Being gay is not an achievement.
Nor is being American 😁
Gotcha, eh?

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Praetorianus Fair enough.
06/10/18 11:31 pm

PS: there's a difference between pride (of an achievement) and being conceited or haughty in general.
Nothing wrong with being proud of winning Olympic gold.

bower8899 ...
06/11/18 6:46 am

See my post under ctskapski's above

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
06/10/18 11:08 pm

Pride was the original sin. It got Lucifer (Satan) cast out of Heaven before Adam and Eve ever sinned.
Yes, it's the chief sin of the LGBTs, because they dare to think that their pleasure trumps God's Law. They live in open rebellion against their Creator. (Of course, many straight people do the same!).

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zimmy Florida
06/11/18 4:28 am

So you don’t have pride in your country?

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
06/11/18 6:09 am

You were talking about a different kind of pride. Patriotic pride is completely different from boastful, egotistical personal pride.

zimmy Florida
06/11/18 6:18 am

Idk? The sin is pride period.

think4yourself Not a safe space
06/11/18 6:40 am

Tom is correct. Being proud of achievements is different than having pride.

UniversePlan Michigan
06/11/18 6:46 am

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bower8899 ...
06/11/18 6:46 am

Being born in America isn't an achievement.

think4yourself Not a safe space
06/11/18 7:04 am

But being proud of the achievements of America and embracing the values that has made it so successful and contributing to that success is worth being proud. Tom should be proud for contributing to America’s greatness.

CudOfCow Oregon
06/10/18 11:03 pm

Dont think so.

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