In light of Pride weekend, is it consistent to be proud of your sexual orientation because you were born that way but not be proud of the country you were born into?
You’re not born it, you’re molded into it.
And you can't be both because?
That is like comparing apples to fish.
Ok, I asked my friend (transgender) about this. He’s not proud to be this way. He is what he is. He’s proud that those who came before him and fought for gay rights did so, so that he could live a life free from government persecution. He did say that gay pride parade often take things too far. He is more proud to be an honor student than he is of being gay. To him, being proud of being gay is like being proud of his skin color, which he’s not because he could not control it. It’s just who he is.
Celebrating America and being American makes sense. Celebrating being straight does not make sense. So in turn how can celebrating being gay make sense?
Funny how anyone can have pride n celebrate EXCEPT for if you're a white male, white conservative, white Christian, cuz once ya do, You're a racist nazi.
I'm a conservative atheist trump supporter.
As long as you are always striving to be a good person, gay, straight, black, asian, ugly, fat or whatever, you should be proud of who you are. You should be accepted for who you are.
What the F are you talking about???
Can’t you be proud of both? I do not understand this question?
I am both proud to be born gay and an American.
The two are mutually exclusive so yes. Still no absolute confirmation sexual preference is innate. It is mosey likely societal norms that dictate that.
Interesting take. Do you think those who participate in pride week or claim they have no pride in the country just because they were born here have that view?
A majority have no pride in the country due to societal norms within their spheres of influence. The lager portion of them despise Trump but would relish Hillary simply because of the false two party paradigm that has been instilled in all Americans for the better part of a century or two. Do outliers exist, certainly, just as outliers of gays who don’t participate in pride week or announce their sexual preference to others exists. In our current societal norms, that has become the exception rather than the rule. I don’t care either way. I’m a fiscal conservative and Libertarian. I also don’t believe Obama had anything to do with Trump’s successes.
Yes. Being proud of who you are and celebrating the accomplishments you and your peers have made to be your true self without hiding your identity is worth celebrating.
Just being born in a country isn’t worth celebrating. It’s the things your country does that makes you proud that is.
Yes, because LGBT pride is about affirming one's identity as an oppressed group. Being proud of being a US citizen is the opposite. It's being proud of being the oppressor.
Being a member of a privileged group does not automatically make you an “oppressor.”
But it makes you part of the oppressor group. Collectively, yes. Individually, you're right, but collectively you are part of the oppressor group.
How the hell am I “part of the oppressor group” if I’m not even doing any oppressing?
Because you still profit from the status quo, and your consciousness will always be influenced by the privilege you experience. Inaction and inability to struggle for liberation makes you complicit.
I imagine Talren gets check’s from the Gov’t simply because he/she is white and American. Is that right?
That depends. It definitely can be consistent. If one’s reasoning for not being proud of the country they were born into is that it’s dumb to be proud of something merely incidental, then no, that’s not consistent. But if their reasoning for not being proud of the country they were born into is because they don’t like what their country stands for, then that’s perfectly consistent.
I agree, but usually when I see polls asking about pride or patriotism, the common answer is “why should I be proud of something I had no choice in.” There are a few who are decidedly not proud of the country.