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PyroSadist June 2nd, 2018 8:20pm

The ACLU has stated that people should not lose that drivers license because they lack the ability to pay for their tickets. Some people have even advocated that people earning more pay more for their tickets than poor people do. How asinine is this?

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doober72 Vidalia, Ga.
06/02/18 2:40 pm

Inability to pay a ticket is no excuse to keep your license.

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PhxLibertarian Republic of Dave
06/02/18 1:50 pm

If there isn't a punishment for not paying fines, nobody will pay them.

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AdamStephens West Virginia
06/02/18 1:41 pm

Nowhere I the article does it say rich people should pay more. Who is "some people"?

And doesn't north Carolina require drivers licenses to vote?

I side with the ACLU 100%

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PhxLibertarian Republic of Dave
06/02/18 1:49 pm

Nobody requires a driver license to vote. Some advocate requiring an ID.

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
06/02/18 2:07 pm

What if we based the tickets on race, not income?

AdamStephens West Virginia
06/02/18 2:50 pm

They already are coffee, you know that.

AdamStephens West Virginia
06/02/18 2:57 pm

Actually I saw the photo I'd requirement in NC was struck down in the courts. I still vehemently disapprove because voter disenfranchisement 2.0 will be coming soon.

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
06/02/18 2:58 pm

Photos are white supremacy. Just another example of them trying to suppress the vote

AdamStephens West Virginia
06/02/18 3:00 pm

Yoire smarter than that coffee. if the voter ID law went in without being struck down would it be disenfranchising people who couldn't pay traffic fines?

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
06/02/18 3:02 pm

Traffic fines are inherently racist. Rich white people have private jets. Do they have traffic fines for jets? Nope. Coincidence? Or institutionalized racism? I’ll let YOU decide

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
06/02/18 3:03 pm

...but the answer’s institutionalized racism

AdamStephens West Virginia
06/02/18 3:08 pm

You have this narrative stuck in your head, I'm not sure how it got there but it is stuck.

AdamStephens West Virginia
06/02/18 3:10 pm

After accounting for age, gender, and location, we find that officers ticket, search, and arrest black and Hispanic drivers more often than whites. For example, when pulled over for speeding, black drivers are 20% more likely to get a ticket (rather than a warning) than white drivers, and Hispanic drivers are 30% more likely to be ticketed than white drivers. Black and Hispanic motorists are about twice as likely to be searched compared to white drivers.

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
06/02/18 3:11 pm

You should be ashamed of yourself

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
06/02/18 3:15 pm

I’m kidding, I know you already are

PyroSadist like my comments follow
06/02/18 3:20 pm

Sorry Adam...I should have mentioned that it is in the comments about charging the rich more.

AdamStephens West Virginia
06/02/18 3:27 pm

While I can't see the comments section on my phone Im not sure you can easily discern sarcastic comments or people setting up strawmen as easily as coffee is doing right now.

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
06/02/18 3:28 pm

My last two comments are not sarcasm

AdamStephens West Virginia
06/02/18 3:30 pm

Oh, don't worry, I know butthurt when I see it.

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
06/02/18 3:32 pm

You’re the expert

PyroSadist like my comments follow
06/02/18 8:03 pm

They were not being sarcastic

MannIsMe Did You Assume My Party
06/02/18 1:37 pm

I think inability to pay (if proven in court) should exempt individuals from loss of licence.

BUT

The price of tickets should certainly not be based on income.

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proudGA New Jersey
06/02/18 2:41 pm

If the intent of the ticket is deterrence then the it would have to be to scale.

MannIsMe Did You Assume My Party
06/02/18 2:49 pm

I've never seen tickets as a deterrent, only punishment

PyroSadist like my comments follow
06/02/18 3:19 pm

The idea is punishment not deterrence...although punishment can be a deterrent

proudGA New Jersey
06/02/18 3:33 pm

They are obviously deterring you. There is no moral crisis to speeding. It incentivizes safety

MannIsMe Did You Assume My Party
06/02/18 3:42 pm

Then aren't we glad that people who can afford a ticket every week are in such a great minority?

Think Lovin Life
06/02/18 4:02 pm

Mann ... if you can’t pay for your tickets you can’t pay to drive, out gas in the car or pay for your car insurance.

It’s a horrible idea to allow someone to continue to drive if they refuse to pay their tickets. Driving is a privilege NOT a right.

MannIsMe Did You Assume My Party
06/02/18 4:14 pm

Not refuses to pay tickets.

Proves to a judge their inability to pay the ticket.

You do their financial situation no favors at all by taking their means of transportation. Call me old fashioned, but Americans that can't get to work aren't any good to the economy.

proudGA New Jersey
06/02/18 4:21 pm

In either instance punishment or deterrence the penalty has to be higher for wealthier people in order for it to mean anything to them

PyroSadist like my comments follow
06/02/18 8:05 pm

Ok so people with more to lose should pay a higher penalty?

So if a 20 year old man kills your daughter and gets 45 years in prison and gets out at 45 does that mean a 55 year old man should get 10 years for killing your daughter so he too can get out at 65? I mean the younger guy has more years to lose so he should pay a higher price...right?

Think Lovin Life
06/02/18 8:22 pm

Mann ... if you can’t pay the fine, you can’t drive! Period!

proudGA New Jersey
06/02/18 8:32 pm

That already happens where old people get lighter sentences because they are gonna die. But I don’t think the concept of time works in the same way. We all get five or take 80 years.

The scale for money is zero to billions.

MannIsMe Did You Assume My Party
06/02/18 8:52 pm

Oh, I see you've used an exclamation point. You're right after all, I guess.

Maybe next time I'll use it first, and then my opinion will take precedence over all others.