Show of Hands

Phew!.....

I didn’t approve of many of those either and there were some misuses. But I didn’t have the time really to get too outraged since the bulk of them came on his way out. He also didn’t make a spectacle out of them like trump is. It makes it obvious that they are politically motivated, whereas I couldn’t definitely know the motivation of some of obama’s. To make a long comment short, this is now and I’m expressing my views on these because obama is in the past.

Sorry pal, Obummer & the last 8 yrs. have ended, but they are far from the past or forgotten..... just the 5 terrorists released was an act against this Countries National Security.....

Had Trump released known and suspected terrorists, it would be a different story.....

Do you know what the definition of past is?

Do you think the past should be forgotten by its People.....or remembered for guidance and reflection of what not do to jeopardize this Nation?.....

*not to do to

You seem to very informed on this subject. Care to name the 5 terrorists pardoned?

You wish play.....

*to

I never said anything about forgetting the mistakes from the past. But there’s no reason to put those mistakes in double jeopardy. If you really did learn from those past pardons, it seems you wouldn’t want these pardons to be made now. But instead, you use them to condone these.

I don’t understand what that means.

You wish to play? I wish you would give me the names of the 5 terrorists obama pardoned.

Why.....does it change the facts and changed the outcome of those facts.....

If I’m going to rationally discuss this with you, I need to make sure you’re coming at me on the level with your claims. Sorry but these days I can’t just assume that someone is not under a propaganda spell.

Sorry pal.....all this old war horse does, is collect and discern information.....

Now, of the six citizens Trump pardoned, show me.....us, which of them pose a great risk to our National Security.....We'll wait.....

Lol. No. You failed the test.

You obviously don’t collect and discern information well if you didn’t retain the names of the 5 terrorists that obama definitely pardoned. 😂

And who is we? You and your infantile debate tactic? Who ARE you? You’re so cute and precious. 😂

Ah again sorry pal you failed.....you have yet to put forth an argument to convince us that the treasonous & traitorous Obummer's pardons of terrorists should just be set aside and not considered.....I'm done, go back to playing in your sandbox Jr.....

Of course you’re done. 😂 but what did you do 😆 Bye Felisha!

I think I just got ambien texted 😆

Keep talking out of your ass, because your mouth knows better, all this coming from a punk while can not even decide what bathroom to use..... Amazing!.....

*who

Can’t decide what bathroom to use? What are you talking about?

Figure it out genius.....

Are you implying that I’m transgender? 😆 I can’t believe this. Are you on drugs? 😂Thanks so much. I’ve been feeling down lately.

You mean "squatting down" do you not.....

😝😆😂🤣😂😆🤢🤭🤮😳😆😂🤣😂😆

I gotta quit you. This is too much. Why didn’t you just tell me who you were talking about getting pardoned. If it’s true and you know about it, it should’ve been a quick and easy search for you and then I could verify and we could go on our way arguing our points.

And I’m sure he’s not gaining any type of political advantage for those.

Thanks for your opinion

So you choose to be complacent in a broken government and do nothing to try to fix it. Gotcha. 👌

Did I say that? No.
If you want to extrapolate your own responses why bother posting a poll in the first place?
Get it?

Abuses across all three branches is evidence of a broken government. You literally just said that you choose to ignore this abuse because of those other abuses. That sounds like complacency to me. Am I missing something? Is your grievance with me saying you’re not trying to fix it? Because I was mostly just trying abbreviate the definition of complacent just in case.

That’s also what people do with a comment. They extrapolate info from it. If I extrapolated wrongly, then clarify so that I might “get it”.

Please explain how you derived complacency from my comment and I will tell you where you went wrong.

“This is minor by comparison.” You seem willing to dismiss it as minor just because there’s “abuses across all three branches”. I used complacency because that’s what that means to me. But if you’re so offended by this word, please by all means, explain it better so that I can amend my word to something better suited for you to get the point.

I am not offended at all. You seem very worked up because you were called out for projecting your opinions onto other peoples comments.

I’m not worked up any more than usual lol. But I don’t know what you’re referring to about being called out. I’m “called out” on SoH all the time about my opinions or views. Please expound.

I dismissed these pardons as minor in comparison because that is EXACTLY what they are. As far as complacency goes, that assumption is as arrogant as it is ignorant.
I support causes that are working towards reform and changes in several areas of our government across all three branches where I believe corruption and abuse occurs. I also vote against incumbents in most cases because the longer they are in power, the more corrupt they usually become

Judicial reform, sensible immigration reform and healthcare reform are at the top of my list. I also want a constitutional amendment requiring a balanced budget, campaign finance reform and more investigation into federal spending and campaign contributions.

Well that all seems very reasonable except calling me arrogant and ignorant. Maybe I was “ignorant” of what you were saying, although I would call that misunderstanding instead. But I still don’t agree that misuse of the pardon is minor, either by comparison or otherwise. I do agree that there are many other corruption issues and overall problems in all branches that need to be addressed ASAP also. Thanks for explaining and sorry that I misunderstood and reacted coarsely initially.

Now what were you talking about me projecting my opinions on comments?

I called your assumptions and projections arrogant and ignorant, not you personally.
I don’t you well enough to know if you are arrogant and/or ignorant. 😎

We will disagree on the pardons. They are minor to me because there are relatively few of them and generally have little to no real impact on anyone’s life.

The down side of being better than everyone else is that people tend to think that you are arrogant😎

Alright well thanks for explaining again, although I don’t really think it was arrogant. But okay. I hope you continue to support changes that limit or stamp out corruption. That’s all I’m really interested in, not winning an argument or getting upset about insinuations of ignorance. I’m not gonna get my feelings hurt.

Sorry about that delay. I started the comment and put it down for dinner before completing. Thanks for the discourse.

Have a good evening.

Okay, first off, just because something was done before doesn’t mean it’s how it should be. This reasoning is why we have amendments to our constitution. Secondly, presidents of the far past used a process as to compromise or ensure an amount of fairness. This isn’t being done anymore. The last several presidents pushed theirs through without individual consequences or much restraint. We need to look at this power at least as possibly being misused as a political tool.

There is a massive amount of the government I would like to see go away. Unchecked and out of control bureaucracy is just as bad as no government at all. What I’m proposing is a minimal amount of government that works correctly and is not corruptible.

Some are intentionally missing the point.

A suggestion: an independent, non-partisan judicial review that must refer cases of merit to the President. ...and all cases should have been tried, convicted, sentenced, served some time, and those so convicted must formally apply for a pardon.

I didn’t mention either of those presidents’ names, you did. A change in this power could have kept either of them from abusing it for political gain. Nice job on your blind, partisan attack though.

Not a blind partisan attack. Trump, the idiot, is getting ready to pardon Blago. I made a poll about it. I’m not sure, if he actually does do it, which would be worse, Manning or Blago. My point is that it’s one of the perks of power and the left now thinks it should be taken from them. I disagree. If you look at Obama’s pardons, many were outrageous sentences to begin with and were non violent crimes. I’m actually glad he had that power. That trump might use it for something stupid (as I think the pardon for Manning was) doesn’t mean it should be taken away from the Office holder.
I guess it did seem like an attack but its just one of those things I want the left to think about (your not the first I’ve seen online commenting on it). If you strip it from Trump you strip it from every president who comes after him. In the case of Obama, Manning was horrible but he actually provided justice to many.

Oh and I realize you were just asking the question, not calling for Trump to be stripped of that power.

Yeah you came across differently in both original comments than you are presenting now. But whatever. To your point-

I’m not proposing to take the power away completely, although that should be on the table as an option too. I was originally asking about a separation of that power to check the president on on whether there was proper review of each case. A president elected the way we elect (as a popularity contest) might not have a background that would employ them with a good legal, investigatory mind.

And, looking back, I did imply trump in the question. Sorry.

I agree. But if the Right keeps it as a privilege, then the Left gets to use it as a privilege also. One or the other parties could dissolve, limit or separate the power to curb corruption but they don’t.

I understand it’s the president’s power. That’s the point of my question. And I’m not proposing the power be separated to the president and “us”. I’m asking if it should be separated to the president and at least one other entity or branch. Obviously, EVERYONE believes that at least one president has abused this power. Maybe we should do something so that it isn’t abused in the future?

Bradley Manning should still be in prison but it was Obama’s right and privilege to pardon him. I think presidents should have that privilege.

I wish you bring something of substance, hack.

The poll asked for my opinion, I gave it but I’ve not been called a hack before. Interesting.

And just to further acknowledge your hyper partisan-charged comment (although I shouldn’t), I am not a proponent of destroying the notion that there are only two genders. If a person wants to surgically change their bodies to feel better about themselves, they should feel free to do so on their own time and dime. And no one should push the false narrative of there being anything other than the spectrum of the two genders into national discourse. It’s disproven by science and has no place in rational thought.

What was your point then?

I see now. You thought I was the hack.