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ABC canceled its top-rated comedy show 'Roseanne' after Roseanne Barr tweeted "Muslim brotherhood & planet of the apes had a baby=vj" in reference to former Obama aide Valerie Jarrett, an African-American woman. Did ABC do the right thing?

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Crispy899 America
08/18/18 5:45 am

This is her right to free speech, you don’t have to like but you can get over it.

PizzaHut Coral Springs, FL
06/03/18 7:16 am

When Bill Maher says the n-word... nothing, and he apologizes for using it for the 700th time. Rosanne says an edgy joke while high on America's drug problem, prescription pain killers, and because she supports Trump, all of a sudden the 2nd amendment is imaginary.

Kahunahammer west
06/04/18 5:33 am

How does my right to bear arms have anything to do with us?

polarized Tennessee
06/03/18 6:26 am

It’s not like ABC didn’t give her a warning to cut the crap or else...

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Kahunahammer west
06/02/18 8:54 am

How is she African American when she was born in Iran? How is she considered black? She is Malatto at best. She was not compared to a monkey but a fictional character. It was and is humorous. Hopefully the offended will find a safe space and some kittens.

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MrsCrayonWax
06/03/18 7:56 am

Her parents are African American and were living in Iran when they had her therefore, she is African American. I’m assuming she has dual citizenship or is the citizenship of her parents which is American.

Kahunahammer west
06/04/18 5:33 am

So her parents were in the military?

MrsCrayonWax
06/04/18 6:04 am

Her father was a doctor working there.

Kahunahammer west
06/04/18 6:16 am

I thought her mother had something to do with the government

asia
06/01/18 12:23 pm

Does anyone know what prompted Roseanne's tweet? Did she just spew this stupidness out of the blue?

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JayDiddle Indiana
06/04/18 11:30 am

Roseanne is historically racist. She at one time stated that she is the reincarnation of Hitler. She also dressed as Hitler for a photo shoot for a German satire magazine read by mostly young Jews, and displayed burnt gingerbread man cookies, calling them “burnt Jews.”

LaBruzzi America
05/31/18 9:20 pm

How dare you offend someone

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CLT704
05/31/18 7:51 pm

I'm white but my cousin i grew up with is biracial and despite being a cute kid was called a monkey by white kids at our elementary school because of his half black side. Years later, He had girls in high school tell him he was "handsome for a black guy" more times then I could count. Seeing other white people make anti black comments makes my blood boil. I saw first hand how much it can hurt a person and I don't find any excuse for it.

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missmorganmarie ...
05/31/18 6:44 pm

just curious. Roseanne tweeted and her show got pulled.

bill cosby raped women and his show wasn't pulled.

how is that fair? 🤔🤔

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asia
06/01/18 12:21 pm

Not fair. But this is 2018 and not 1988.

missmorganmarie ...
06/01/18 1:55 pm

i meant in syndication. they can pull them

mar45alex
06/01/18 5:45 pm

His show was pulled. In my eyes his crime was greater though. Drugging and raping. He fooled us all. And in my eyes , I don’t know if Rosanne is racist—just being mean. Mean is mean. I wish they’d just call it what it is. Mean. Or ignorant. Remove the word “Racist”. Meanness doesn’t need a color. It’s cliche, but can’t we all just be nice and keep our thoughts inside our brain like our mothers taught us?!

Wiscoboy Waukesha
05/31/18 5:52 pm

Yeah, and TBS needs to cancel Samantha Bee as well.

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outlaw393 Trump 4 more years
05/31/18 11:59 am

Overreacting about racism helps no one.

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IrishAlzheimers
05/31/18 12:11 pm

What if us overreacting right now about racism eliminates racism for future generations. I’m not saying I’m for that just wouldn’t you be okay with the overreacting if it really did eliminate racism in society over the next 25 years?

Forgetabouit
05/31/18 1:46 pm

Media loves Racism it’s pay day to them . They continue to fan the flames

IrishAlzheimers
05/31/18 2:11 pm

Capitalism encourages maximized profits. Fanning the flames makes money which is what capitalism encourages by any means therefore it’s not the media its the system. A lot of people would argue in here that if a specific media is making profit then it is giving the people what they want. My question is do you think if we keep this up that there will be no more racism?

Forgetabouit
05/31/18 3:06 pm

No racism in china .. they all look the same

IrishAlzheimers
05/31/18 3:24 pm

There’s racism in China and there is a lot of different Chinese people. Mein people are Chinese who escaped to the mountains during the Han dynasty and grew opium. The Chinese in the city don’t like them, they think they’re lazy. Eventually a lot of them moved to Thailand, Laos, and Vietnam then were brought here as refugees during the secret war. I️ know this first hand because I️ grow weed with a mein guy who came over here in the 80s. Chinese are some of the most racist people man

Forgetabouit
05/31/18 3:28 pm

Is that racism or more like the Hatfields vrs the McCoy’s .. I know racism comes in many forms but in America it is more about skin color then not ,

IrishAlzheimers
05/31/18 3:44 pm

It’s about skin color too. Filipinos are hated because of their skin color and generally if you have lighter skin you’re better than those with darker skin. If you have dark skin it means you work outside and are poor. If you have light skin you’re inside and worth more apparently

him420 California
05/31/18 11:51 pm

That’s why they have to steal technology

Forgetabouit
06/02/18 12:45 pm

Racism will never go away because the people that scream racism the most are useless POS and all they have is the race card .

Hogoke Constitution
05/31/18 9:45 am

Comedians are supposed to push the limits of comedy, sometimes they go a bit too far. She apologized for it and admitted it was too far, now ABC put tons of people out of a job because of political correctness.

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JayDiddle Indiana
06/04/18 11:31 am

So then you support Kathy Griffin, yes?

Obroni Utah
05/31/18 8:44 am

I don't know why ABC greenlighted it in the first place. She has a long history of saying and doing offensive things throughout her career (including mocking the National Anthem, by the way, to any of my fellow conservatives who are misguided enough to like her). That is her right, but businesses and people have the right to not do business with her and not watch her unfunny tv show (I've never watched a full episode).

And I don't know why any conservatives are supporting or defending her. She is not a conservative. She is a progressive Trump supporter. There is a HUGE difference.

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MrsCrayonWax
06/03/18 7:57 am

Thank God someone else said it. You are 100% correct. When the show was announced, they were frothing at the mouth here and the rest of us logical minded people didn’t fall for it.

TCheyenne I Love People
05/31/18 8:34 am

HYPOCRISY? Here are some examples.
youtu.be/dltK5r4GBec

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McGoona
05/31/18 6:59 am

It’s one thing to call somebody a racist because you don’t like them, it’s a COMPLETELY different thing to ACTUALLY BE A RACIST

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IrishAlzheimers
05/31/18 6:58 am

You have to recognize what platform your using. Careers have been destroyed on twitter so don’t be an idiot on it. She could have said this exact thing as a comedian on stage and nothing would have happened because that would’ve been her own platform. It has nothing to do with this time we live in. I️ remember Howard cosell getting fired for saying “look at that monkey go” during a game

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Wizzobutter
05/30/18 11:47 pm

I hate to say no but for the fact that so many others working on the show will be hurt by its cancelation. The show had already been renewed for season two, so I'm sure many people who worked on it felt they had a stable income for next year.

nate19 WI
05/30/18 8:29 pm

ABC had a right to do it. I just wish the media would stop being hypocrites and give the same consequences to the liberals that say stupid shit about conservatives.

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JayDiddle Indiana
06/04/18 11:34 am

You mean they didn’t do this same thing to Kathy Griffin? Open your eyes!

nate19 WI
06/04/18 12:22 pm

You're giving me one person out of dozens? I'm gonna need a few more examples. Besides, the left is still seems to be fine with what she did, which was much more extreme than Roseanne's. Honestly you can't compare the two. One made a bad joke, the other posted a picture with the president's slaughtered head, which can be considered treason.

JayDiddle Indiana
06/04/18 12:25 pm

Now you’re grasping; it’s quite the same, only Kathy didn’t encompass an entire “race” of people, just one moron.

nate19 WI
06/04/18 12:31 pm

So you're saying it's only ok when you don't like the person?

JayDiddle Indiana
06/04/18 12:52 pm

Grasping again; I never said that.

nate19 WI
06/04/18 12:54 pm

I don't understand how you think it's the same thing. One person "said" something offensive", and the other performed something offensive. They were both bad, but they shouldn't be compared.

JayDiddle Indiana
06/04/18 1:00 pm

Alright, then, we’ll go back to what I was trying to say before. BOTH did something in bad taste. However, Roseanne encompasses an entire race of people, while Kathy only targeted one person. The two are on two different sides of the same fence, and they were both socially reprimanded, which ruined their careers. My entire point is that you can’t sit here and say that a liberal would be treated any different than someone else, because this is the literal perfect example.

AndrewX
05/30/18 7:55 pm

I dunno... I believe in second chances. She didn’t kill anyone. She made a mistake and apologized. This culture of outrage is getting too much.

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colinweber1
05/30/18 8:02 pm

she actually did kill someone..you must have skimmed

JayDiddle Indiana
06/04/18 11:35 am

It’s no longer a mistakes when it’s a repeat offense, and she has done this kind of thing for years.

JMG Raleigh, NC
05/30/18 6:27 pm

Worried about the business world playing watchdog about the first amendment

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AlphonsoR
05/30/18 6:12 pm

She isn't even african american. It's obvious the network was waiting for Rosanne to screw up so they could pounce on the opportunity to trash the shoe

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JayDiddle Indiana
06/04/18 11:37 am

Laughable! The show was making them TONS of money, so they weren’t looking for reasons to trash the show at all. Roseanne is just a racist loudmouth,who had no consideration for those whose jobs her actions took consequence to.

Liberty Lets Use Logic
05/30/18 4:17 pm

Yes, as long as she was given a chance to apologize to the actors first.

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rambo088 kansas
05/30/18 3:57 pm

It's derogatory but it isn't racist. The conflation of the term has gotten out of hand.

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GodsMagician Providence, RI
05/30/18 5:00 pm

I agree as well. Being black I didn’t feel the racism so much as her using a charged reference to deride this woman in particular.

Dominicano New York
05/30/18 3:09 pm

I mean.. she’s an ugly SOB but if you belong to the oppressing group it’s not a joke, it’s an insult.

rambo088 kansas
05/30/18 3:58 pm

Lol what is the "oppressing group"

BlackC
05/30/18 3:05 pm

Hell yes . Being ignorant doesn’t give one a pass on saying ignorant shit! Plus she is hugely selfish. She caused the loss of a hundred jobs and she was only thinking of herself tweeting racist bs to get a high. The constitution doesn’t give one a right to a tv show . She used her 1st amendment in the tweet. Adios Roseanne to oblivion on your nut plantation in Hawaii . No tears here

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lj74
05/30/18 2:25 pm

No, because as usual they have a double standard.

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Dhawgg
05/30/18 2:13 pm

Additionally, when someone makes mean-spirited comments about a conservative woman’s appearance, you POS are silent, so FU. You don’t have a problem with it in principle, you simply don’t like it cuz it was one if yours. Which makes you ginormous hypocrites and not worthy of hearing.

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Dhawgg
05/30/18 2:02 pm

Suggesting it is racist out of hand is ignorant. Some people - of all colors - do have more pronounced facial characteristics that may make them resemble other primates more closely. This is empirically true. But in the World of Butthurt where everyone wants to be offended, immediately crucifying is the new normal. The appropriate course of action would have been continue the show and see if it pissed off enough people that ratings declined. *GASP* Let the marketplace decide instead of self-righteous progressives!?!?

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krannapple
05/30/18 2:37 pm

Calling black people “apes” has long been used to dehumanize and denigrate. Sometimes the historical context of a word or phrase is important to determining its intended use. Roseanne absolutely knows the historical context. Her tweet was intended to be racist. There’s no reason to defend her.

krannapple
05/30/18 2:38 pm

Why should ABC continue supporting someone that doesn’t share their corporate values? It’s a private business that made an entrepreneurial decision.

DeathSheep Michigan
05/30/18 2:38 pm

Never seen someone bend over backward so much to excuse a racist remark.. lol

BlackC
05/30/18 5:36 pm

Yikes troll you aren’t comment worthy

docccyr maine
05/30/18 2:00 pm

I guess it's not a huge surprise that the Christians and high school diploma people are leading the "no" votes

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Dhawgg
05/30/18 2:09 pm

This doesn’t imply Christians approve of her tweet, moron, this simply suggests they don’t feel the company should make a move rather than letting the marketplace - and ratings- decide. But way to show your bias.

docccyr maine
05/30/18 2:15 pm

So you'd agree that the NFL shouldn't outlaw kneeling, and should let the marketplace dictate what is and isn't acceptable?

krannapple
05/30/18 2:41 pm

Executives have to make decisions that affect their business in the near and long term. If they thought being associated with Roseanne would be bad for their business image why can’t they cancel her show? That IS capitalism.

bossaliniee
05/30/18 1:36 pm

Rosanne has always come of like a races to me.

tallboy Kilroy was here
05/30/18 7:54 pm

LOL.. “come of like a races”? What the fuck language are you speaking?

centexken Republic of Texas
05/30/18 1:02 pm

What's the big deal? It was just a joke. People's feelings get so easily hurt these days.

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docccyr maine
05/30/18 1:26 pm

She called a black person an ape...that's a pretty racist statement

IEatzCookies Alderaan
05/30/18 12:34 pm

I feel bad for all the people who were employed to work on the show.

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bonemouth Trump District
05/30/18 11:38 am

If there is money to be made she will have another gig as soon as this dies down.

Robert97206 Portland Oregon
05/30/18 11:34 am

No, they did not do the right thing the phrase was not racist and characterizing it as racist as caused a big alarm. But firing her was okay.

Robert97206 Portland Oregon
05/30/18 1:08 pm

No, they did not do the right thing - by mis classifing her comment as 'racist'. But firing her was fine. Does that clear it up for you?

MrsCrayonWax
05/30/18 1:20 pm

No. Still unsure how the comment wasn’t racist.

Robert97206 Portland Oregon
05/30/18 2:42 pm

"Muslim brotherhood & planet of the apes had a baby=vj,"

Her race never was called into question.
Joke has literally nothing to do with race.

And honestly if you look at a picture of her she does look a lot like the characters in Planet of the Apes.

MrsCrayonWax
05/30/18 2:49 pm

Either you’ve lived under a rock for most of your life and by rock I mean sheltered, or you really hate the boogeyman MSM that your towing the line that it’s not racist. Come on. We both know what the comment meant.

MrsCrayonWax
05/30/18 2:51 pm

There’s also this:

In 2013, for instance, Barr tweeted a racist sentiment about former National Security Adviser Susan Rice.

“Susan Rice is a man with big swinging ape balls,” Barr wrote in that tweet.

Robert97206 Portland Oregon
05/30/18 2:53 pm

The comment mean this person looks like this group and that movie had a baby.

Yes, i take what the msm says with a grain of salt.

Still doesnt change the fact the comment has nothing to do with race.

Robert97206 Portland Oregon
05/30/18 2:54 pm

Also not a racist statement. Ape balls is metaphoric language to describe the size and shape of ones balls.

MrsCrayonWax
05/30/18 2:55 pm

Come on guy.

Robert97206 Portland Oregon
05/30/18 2:55 pm

Again has NOTHING to do with race.

Robert97206 Portland Oregon
05/30/18 2:56 pm

Okay, if its so cut and dry, expain why either statment is racist.

MrsCrayonWax
05/30/18 3:03 pm

Really? The burden of proof isn’t on me but I’ll play along. Apes have been used as a derogatory name and image to portray African Americans. I can give a list of racist names, phrases, and imagery of multiple groups of people. If you want.

Robert97206 Portland Oregon
05/30/18 3:12 pm

Alright sence it isnt as cut and dry as you are so adamant about ill expain it to you.

Racism is described as either or both of these:

: poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race
: the belief that some races of people are better than others

A comparison of an individual to a ape is not claiming supriority nor is it poor treatment of that individual.

If i were to take a guess i would say that your ideology (identity politics) has saturated your thought.

MrsCrayonWax
05/30/18 3:15 pm

I’m speechless. And aside from all the blubber you just wrote, I don’t do identity politics. If that’s what you’d like to think as the reason people so vehemently object to treating others like shit to feel good about themselves in 2018, by all means.

Robert97206 Portland Oregon
05/30/18 3:18 pm

No, its not what id like to think its what ive been incountering the most lately.

If you have an objection to my description of racism, let's hear it.

Robert97206 Portland Oregon
05/30/18 3:29 pm

I am simply mimicking your aditude towards me back at you.

MrsCrayonWax
05/30/18 3:49 pm

I was doing dinner and bath time. I agree with you first definition of racism
But nothing that came after that.

MrsCrayonWax
05/30/18 3:49 pm

Racism is described as either or both of these:

: poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race
: the belief that some races of people are better than others

Robert97206 Portland Oregon
05/30/18 3:56 pm

That's great we have some common ground.

"Muslim brotherhood & planet of the apes had a baby=vj,"

This statement doesnt assume any superiority, nor is it poor treatment or violance based apon race.

MrsCrayonWax
05/30/18 4:10 pm

And then we part ways again. I think i get where you are coming from.

Robert97206 Portland Oregon
05/30/18 4:13 pm

I would love to here exactly wjat you are think. I'm not infallible, i open to here you justification for the statement to be racist.

katerina13 where I should be
05/30/18 4:13 pm

I would love to see him tell all of the attendees of the million man march this garbage. 😂

Robert97206 Portland Oregon
05/30/18 4:14 pm

Oh thanks, id love to tell them, can you book me a session with your cronies.

MrsCrayonWax
05/30/18 4:21 pm

I think you mistake me as some sort of ideologue of which I am not. I don’t march for things, post things on facebook, organize events or engage in hashtag activism. I just have this thing about treating people fairly. I also didn’t like what I experienced growing up so when I see it, I speak up. We are in this position today with the dog whistle racism because it was allowed to go on for so long. And because Anything and everything is racism, the lines have been blurred. The left thinks everything is racism and the right thinks there is no such thing as racism. I don’t even know if I answered your question.

Robert97206 Portland Oregon
05/30/18 4:26 pm

No you really didnt, but honestly thats okay. I don't agree with you that everything and anything is racism nor do I believe the right doesn't believe in racism.
But yes the left and the right are not communicating at all.
I am not sure what side you are on but you aren't communicating to me how the statement mentioned above is racist. I honestly would love to hear your reasoning.

MrsCrayonWax
05/30/18 4:38 pm

I really thought I explained it pretty well. I admit, sometimes I have to ask for clarification but I generally see the historical context. I’m more of a moderate with right leaning fiscal tendencies and more libertarian on social issues but for myself, I’m pretty conservative.

Robert97206 Portland Oregon
05/30/18 4:49 pm

Im sorry i wasnt actually asking what your stance was, that was me trying to skirt not mislabeling you political.

Out of all that you gave me a glimps of your justification. 'Historically' Could you elaborate the significance of our history as it pertains to making a justification that roseannes comment was racist.

Robert97206 Portland Oregon
05/30/18 5:56 pm

Ya... okay, i was hoping for an elaboration on our already present example or two from Roseanne. Add multiple examples still doesn't bring any justification. We will just have a big idea that we most certainly disagree.

1) ... this isnt racist. Its insensitive, yes. But do i have to bring up a picture of an ape to show you the similarities.

2) did you read that source? Please read that source. "What Holder said was factually correct." If it's a fact it can't be prejudiced thus removing the first bit if the deffenition we agreed apon.

Back to the Michelle Obama bit, how is call a women a monkey racist? You kinda eluded to a historical meaning. Could that be your way of saying, that because racist of yesterday year would often relate POC's
To apes, that automatically any comparison to a primate is racist? And I apologize if my speculation of you is incorrect you are not being very forthcoming upon your reasoning behind your position.

MrsCrayonWax
05/30/18 6:06 pm

I think maybe I’m legitimately not understanding how equating a woman to a primate is not derogatory and racist.

Robert97206 Portland Oregon
05/30/18 6:21 pm

No I agree it's derogatory, i do not agree its racist.
Comparing a white women to a monkey isnt racist correct. Then how is comparing a black women to a monkey suddenly racist?
It isnt, the statement isnt comparing the womems race to a monkey the statement is comparing the women to a monkey.
This is why i persumed you were knee deep in Identity politics.

To be a racist statement it first an for most must show be about race. None of these state explicitly or implicitly about the race of the individual.

MrsCrayonWax
05/30/18 6:26 pm

Then we need to go back to when these terms were identified as racist and revisit the appropriate word. I think we are getting caught up on semantics here.

Robert97206 Portland Oregon
05/30/18 6:57 pm

There terms were never racist. The connotations and the context were what was racist.

ExistentialNed
05/30/18 11:31 am

Since she is a public figure, making any sort of political remark is advised against. However, canceling the show in response is just a bad move on NBC’s part. It highlights the issue even more and gives them a defined political image. In terms of morality, they have clearly just discriminated against a certain ideological belief, and strengthened the polarization of our nation even further. This should not have been their response.

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MrsCrayonWax
05/30/18 11:33 am

What belief did ABC discriminate against? Racism? So they should not have canceled the show because it made angry racists angrier? I’m not sure about that.

ExistentialNed
05/30/18 11:46 am

That’s not what I’m saying. I simply believe that the best form of dealing with ideological dispute is through debate, even if the other ideology is the worst imaginable. Firing her in response just crushes the possibility of conversation, and it is simply not justified. Her job is to act, not having the correct viewpoints. I personally disagree with her view, but I think she should have the ability to say it.

MrsCrayonWax
05/30/18 11:49 am

She does have the ability to say whatever she wants. She was never silenced. Most employers consider you an extension of their company and sometimes you can be a liability.

ExistentialNed
05/30/18 2:10 pm

I understand that the company has the incentive to fire someone over this type of comment, but that doesn’t mean that they should. If anyone disagrees with her perspective, they should have a rational conversation with her. Having a false or harmful view can be very bad, and firing someone for having a bad view only makes the situation worse. Haven’t you seen the ramblings of white supremacists? They often believe that they are the oppressed ones, and that radical change is necessary. Actions like this prove their views in their eyes. So if you believe that her statement truly was racist, then the company’s actions should be terrible in your view. Calm and careful reasoning with the party in question would not produce nearly as much harm, if any. Radical action like this is not moral, even if it is good for the company’s image.

ExistentialNed
05/30/18 2:12 pm

And yes, if her statements caused her to be fired then she is clearly not allowed by the company to say certain things.

MrsCrayonWax
05/30/18 2:47 pm

You are absolutely incorrect on that. First amendment applies to the government. The government hasn’t silenced her. And to that extent, to take away her 1a rights would essentially be not allowing her any public forum. You may say what you want but you are not protected from the consequences of your speech.

ExistentialNed
05/30/18 2:58 pm

I’m not arguing that she is protected by the first amendment. I’m saying that she shouldn’t be fired over a political statement, albeit one that I disagree with. The company shouldn’t have fired her over statements like that, as it discourages free discussion. That free discussion would be the best path towards reducing apparently hateful speech in the future.

MrsCrayonWax
05/30/18 3:01 pm

I can see your point. I disagree but I see it.

MrsCrayonWax
05/30/18 11:22 am

So now Roseanne is blaming this on Ambien.

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CoffeeNow CandybarThiefLivesMatter
05/30/18 12:19 pm

Was it: ‘Ambien is like if the Muslim brotherhood and planet of the apes had a baby’

MrsCrayonWax
05/30/18 12:25 pm

Is it racist ambien?

MrsCrayonWax
05/30/18 12:27 pm

Do you post while on ambien? @Diest @Deist @Dealtt @Diestt @Deistt

CudOfCow Oregon
05/30/18 11:15 am

Just because something funny pops into your head, doesnt mean you should tell it to the world. She could have just said it out loud to people in her immediate vicinity and not made an ass out of herself. Dont drink and tweet, I think is the takeaway. Would you post something like that to your FB wall? Probably not.

commonsense Never over
05/30/18 10:54 am

Christians are 99% atheist - Richard Garvis

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FitzDarcy Earth
05/30/18 10:33 am

She is NOT African American....duh

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lcamino Florida
05/30/18 12:17 pm

Her genetics prove that she is African American.

hfhgsrjjdf
05/30/18 10:27 am

I honestly don't think comparing someone to an ape (or any animal for that matter) is racist. Is it rude? Yes. But, it is pure hypocrisy to fire her for doing this, because so many other people have compared famous people or politicians to apes, with no consequences. Jimmy Kimmel, who works for the same company, ABC, compared Trump to an orangutan, but I guess he wasn't fired because that isn't "racist." The executive producer of 'Roseanne' also once compared Trump to an orangutan, with no backlash. The left will find anything to call racist to suppress conservative values. Disgusting.

Now, does ABC have the right to fire anyone for any reason because they're a private company? Yes, of course, but this was a very stupid and very hypocritical reason.

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otisfuzz Georgia
05/30/18 11:17 am

Comparing a black person to an ape is absolutely a racist statement. There is a historical context to it making it so.

MrsCrayonWax
05/30/18 11:28 am

Th defense of her statement is beneath you, dsh.

hfhgsrjjdf
05/30/18 12:21 pm

MrsCrayonWax ... I'm not defending it. I think it is incredibly rude and awful to compare ANYONE to any animal, I just don't think it's racist.

MrsCrayonWax
05/30/18 12:24 pm

DSH, I know you are younger and maybe not exposed to this but comparing blacks to animals has gone on forever. It’s extremely insulting and racist. It’s ok to condemn this. No one will take away your conservative card.

hfhgsrjjdf
05/30/18 1:09 pm

Would you agree that it's wrong to compare any decent person to an animal? I get the historical aspect, but I'm looking at it from a different perspective. I believe that all human beings are created in God's image, higher and over animals. Humans are not animals, so I think it is wrong to compare people to mere creatures, regardless of racism. If Barr had said the same thing about Trump, then ABC did the right thing...as soon as they fire Jimmy Kimmel. My point is they shouldn't fire Barr because of racism, they should fire her and Kimmel because they shouldn't be comparing decent people to apes.

MrsCrayonWax
05/30/18 2:48 pm

Is this getting religious?

hfhgsrjjdf
05/30/18 4:54 pm

I mean, is racism even a thing without morals?

MrsCrayonWax
05/30/18 5:18 pm

There are many moral claiming people here who hold racist views.

BadSeed Oregon
05/30/18 9:58 am

For all those who keep bringing up people who make Anti Trump comments. Insulting Trump is not making a Racist comment! One thing has nothing to do with the other!

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Radon Parts Unknown
05/30/18 10:40 am

So hate is ok, just as long as the one you are hating on is not a minority. What a utopia we've created.

otisfuzz Georgia
05/30/18 11:21 am

Hating on a person is different than hating on a race or culture. To some Trump earned the hate. No race has earned hate because races are made up of individuals.

tbanana
05/30/18 1:18 pm

Is it ok to hate on someone’s religion? That’s been done on The View with no backlash.

Radon Parts Unknown
05/30/18 3:54 pm

I guess love doesn't trump hate when it's someone you don't like, even though none of us have met him before

otisfuzz Georgia
05/30/18 5:41 pm

Yes, it’s fine to hate on religion. Hating on let’s say Muslims or Christians just because they follow a religion is not OK. Not all followers of a religion are the same. People are individuals first and foremost.

Forgetabouit
05/30/18 9:37 am

WhT did ABC think they were getting when they hired her ?

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timeout Boston Strong
05/30/18 9:14 am

Making fun of Trump, and that really isn’t too hard, is NOT the same as making a blatant racist comment. Even her manager dropped her. Personally I liked the show and had hoped it would continue, but I agree with the decision.

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Forgetabouit
05/30/18 9:29 am

Meanwhile the VIEW has said they wish trump dead .. referring to Joyce B&tch when there was a fire at the Trump Tower . Rosey was wrong and she got what she deserved . But the likes of JB and other so called entertainers deserve the same

Obvious101 MO
05/30/18 9:53 am

I suspect the woman who made that comment got a visit from the Secret Service, as did Ted Nugent a few years ago with similar comments about Obama. Probably won’t happen again. I think Ted was convince that there are limits to what one can say.

Forgetabouit
05/30/18 1:20 pm

She should of been fired

SoCalGal
05/30/18 8:56 am

So Disney fired Roseanne for her obviously stupid tweet, but just hired Keith Olberman who has made really disgusting comments about Trump. What??

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cowboy SCOTUS 2020
05/30/18 9:13 am

Don’t try and understand the mental disorder that is Liberalism. You’ll drive yourself crazy.

Harry3603 Tampa Bay Florida.
05/30/18 10:26 am

Somewhere, Walt Disney is wishing that his name was no longer associated with his Company!

ssmith2011 Mansfield ohio
05/30/18 8:41 am

Ok I agree her tweet was awful. She’s a racist bigot. However she’s not the only person who works on that show. Lots of other decent people depend on that show for a paycheck and a boost in their career. They should have found a way to punish her with out also punishing all the other people working hard on that show.

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GlockMan1 Alabama
05/30/18 8:00 am

She was wrong but cancelling her show is overboard.

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Obvious101 MO
05/30/18 8:26 am

Yea, especially since ABC/Disney lost a estimated $60 million in the process. But it sends a message to the industry that overt racism will not be tolerated, even in the Trump era.

Laserbeam Crazy bird lady
05/30/18 8:31 am

$60 million to Disney is like a night out on the town.

RussianThunder Russia and USA
05/30/18 9:15 am

No, it sends a message that racism against the left won’t be tolerated but calling Ben ?Carson an Uncle Tom would probably be ok.

Professors tweet vile anti-Semitic things and keep their jobs.

However, what she wrote was racist and should not be tolerated. I do wish the left would police themselves like they police the right.

chickencookie America weeps
05/30/18 10:39 am

A black woman wrote “Ben Carson is a monkey of the porch variety.” Did she get fired?🤔

commonsense Never over
05/30/18 7:59 am

It was really funny.
But I think abc has rules and she broke them.

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Obvious101 MO
05/30/18 8:28 am

America has standards & she broke them.

commonsense Never over
05/30/18 9:05 am

It doesn’t matter if America has standards.

Forgetabouit
05/30/18 9:32 am

There are two standards the left and anyone else

Obvious101 MO
05/30/18 9:40 am

Sad, but true. It mattered in days gone buy. Standards of right & wrong, basic decency, etc have suffered from the Trump example.

commonsense Never over
05/30/18 9:46 am

Trumps example? Lolol.

Of course. Democrats hate and think all republicans are racists and mean. Lol

But where were you guys when obama lost 1500 illegal kids in 2024?!?

DounutHole
05/30/18 10:34 am

Notaman-I’ll let you know when I get a time machine.

willsamuel Alaska
05/30/18 7:57 am

It's her first amendment right to say that

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MrsCrayonWax
05/30/18 8:09 am

That doesn’t protect her from being fired.

bobbabson Conneticut
05/30/18 8:09 am

Disney owns ABC and ESPN, they just fired a black reporter from ESPN for calling Donald a white supremestist before this. If they did not they faced showing a double standard.

RussianThunder Russia and USA
05/30/18 9:17 am

There often is a double standard but her tweet was WAY over the top. Why was she talking about Valerie Jarret anyway?

MrsCrayonWax
05/30/18 9:19 am

Obama and his admin seem to still be top of mind for her.

RussianThunder Russia and USA
05/30/18 10:35 am

I just don’t get why.

It’s odd though. ABC employes Joy Behar who has attacked Xians as mentally ill and Keith Obermann.
So, I guess liberals (except Kapernick) get a pass but conservatives don’t.
Barr attacked one woman. Behar attacked all Xians.
The more I think about this, the more it seems one sided. Maybe ABC just didn’t like all the deplorables that watched her show.
Bill Maher, Joy Behar, Keith Obermann....why do they still have jobs? If ABC is concerned about family values as they say, then an insult by Behar calling Xians (that’s over a billion people) insane should have raised a few red flags.

MrsCrayonWax
05/30/18 7:52 am

Were you offended by her tweet? You are 1/4 Black if I remember.

MrsCrayonWax
05/30/18 9:10 am

Yeah, your grams and gramps were Jamaican or some such.

FloridaPopulist Nationalist Right
05/30/18 11:51 am

No. My grandma is like 1/8 black. Was a white woman born in Jamaica. My dna may be 2% black

FloridaPopulist Nationalist Right
05/30/18 11:57 am

No. My grandma is like 1/8 black. Was a white woman born in Jamaica. My dna may be 2% black

MrsCrayonWax
05/30/18 12:21 pm

More like 16%. That qualifies you.

texkat
05/30/18 7:35 am

Roseanne gets fired. Michelle Wolf gets a show on Netflix for her horrible remarks about Sara Huckabee Sanders. Roseanne apologized. Wolf did not! Figure it out!!!

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imawench
05/30/18 7:40 am

What is so horrible about snarking about eye make and lies, AT A ROAST!? How does that possibly compare to likening a human being to an Ape?! 🤦‍♀️

tdaddy diversity
05/30/18 8:30 am

I never heard of her. When I looked for her in Google Images my first thought was she looks white. My second thought was she doesn’t resemble anyone from the Planet of the Apes. If she doesn’t think she looks like an ape what’s the big deal? Would you try to get me fired if I said you look like an ape. Unlikely because you’d assume I was joking. I’d feel the same way if you called me an ape.

RussianThunder Russia and USA
05/30/18 9:20 am

I thought that because I didn’t know “ape” and “monkey” are derogatory terms for blacks. I don’t know why they are but I guess they are.

chickencookie America weeps
05/30/18 7:32 am

Freedom of speech only applies when you are a liberal. If you are a conservative and say something they fire you.
#Joy Reid
#Keith Olbermann
#Rev Al
#Joy Behar
#Colin Kaepernick
#Jimmy Kimmel

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ComradeJames nationalism
05/30/18 7:43 am

No, if you are a conservative and say something RACIST they fire you.

chickencookie America weeps
05/30/18 10:41 am

A liberal black writer wrote “Ben Carson is a monkey of the porch variety.” Did she lose her job?🤔

hankG New Jersey
05/31/18 9:14 am

I think Kaepernick is a bad example for this, he pretty much lost his job.

chickencookie America weeps
05/31/18 9:29 am

But wasn’t he offered a job by someone (I forget who) but wanted more money than they wanted to give so he turned them down?

hankG New Jersey
05/31/18 9:34 am

That's what I heard too, but it could have been for much less money than he's worth. In the lawsuit owners have said under oath that they changed their minds about signing him because of what the president said and for fear of backlash.

chickencookie America weeps
05/31/18 9:37 am

I’m very curious what happens this year. I heard it’s rumored that the players are going to think up ways to get around the new rule. I also heard that either the quarterbacks or major players won’t play to support team player.

hankG New Jersey
05/31/18 9:44 am

Another thing I've heard is a couple owners have said they will pay players' fines for them if they choose to protest.