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4JC May 29th, 2018 7:16pm

Why is it that when a comedian says ugly things about ANY conservative, they’re just a comedian with free speech & shouldn’t be judged, but when a comedian says something ugly about a liberal, most liberals here say her show was rightly cancelled?

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Robert97206 Portland Oregon
05/30/18 11:36 am

What Roseanne's said was not racist this is the leftover reaching the definition of racist to apply to something that isn't.

And everybody that has followed this bandwagon needs to wake the fuck up.

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benseth naturalist
05/30/18 12:33 am

Okay. This was very racist. She likened black people to apes... Almost all comedians that say racist things like this are blackballed. There are many comedians with content about white people can’t dance or black people can’t swim, etc. But this is only RACIAL, not racist. It can be difficult to know where the line is, but this comment by Rosanne went way past the line. This wasn’t part of some comedy act anyway. It was a comment on Twitter. I can’t see how this was intended as a joke. There’s nothing humorous about it. There’s no punchline. It’s just Rosanne attacking a person with racism.

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jlong105 Indiana
05/30/18 3:46 am

She likened Valerie Jarett, an Iranian, to apes. She said nothing about black people unless you say that all people who are not white are black.

benseth naturalist
05/30/18 4:16 am

Really? There’s no way you’re gonna make me think you’re that ignorant. Jarrett is an Iranian born African American. Barr represented her Iranian side with the Muslim brotherhood and represented her African American side with...

jlong105 Indiana
05/30/18 4:21 am

A DNA test taken by the show Finding Your Roots with Henry Louis Gates, Jr. (2014) stated that Valerie’s genetic ancestry is:

*49% European
——–approx. *28% Irish and Scottish
——–*16% Scandinavia
——–*3% Western Europe
——–*2% Ashkenazi Jewish
*46% Sub-Saharan African
——–*24% Nigeria
——–*8% Congo
——–*6% Ivory Coast and Ghana
——–*5% Senegal
——–*2% Southeastern Bantu
——–*1% Benin and Togo
*5% Native American

Ok I stand corrected. There is no Arabic in her and she is mixed enough to claim whichever side she chooses.

benseth naturalist
05/30/18 4:29 am

Okay... so what was your reasoning for initially defending this racist then?

jlong105 Indiana
05/30/18 4:33 am

She was speaking about one person not the whole race. This is blown out of proportion as is pretty much everything the media reports on anymore.

benseth naturalist
05/30/18 4:35 am

So now you’re deflecting to the well established enemy of the MSM. Gotcha. Let’s try not to face this problem like adults.

benseth naturalist
05/30/18 4:37 am

Yeah the Jewish cookie pic is extremely racist also. It’s obvious what kind of person she is.

jlong105 Indiana
05/30/18 4:42 am

Well, enjoy your hate. I’ve spent enough time in this thread and am not wasting anymore time on Roseanne Barr.

But hey, feel free to give her all the attention you think she deserves. Here are 9 things that are more important to me than a shock comedienne doing what she has always done.

theweek.com/10things/770710/10-things-need-know-today-may-29-2018

benseth naturalist
05/30/18 4:43 am

Let me try this one more time. Sure she was referring to Jarrett, one person. Jarrett is an Iranian born African American. Her Iranian nationality is represented by Barr as the Muslim brotherhood and her African American genetics is represented by Barr as “planet of the apes”. This is a generalization of ALL African Americans. I really shouldn’t have to spell it out like this.

jlong105 Indiana
05/30/18 4:46 am

Did you see that US and Norh Korea are continuing efforts for the summit? How about that Trump had to politicize his comments when laying the wreath on Memorial Day?

benseth naturalist
05/30/18 4:47 am

I’m not the one with hatred. I don’t hate Barr for saying this. It’s just wrong to attack someone with racism. People are pointing that out and saying it’s not okay to do this in our country. And now others like you are defending this racist.

benseth naturalist
05/30/18 4:48 am

Oh I’m sure you can find even more things to deflect to. Maybe that will confuse people into forgetting that you’re defending a racist.

jlong105 Indiana
05/30/18 5:00 am

She is a comedienne. Comedy is full of racism, sexism, and homophobia. What more could be expected from someone who makes their living by shocking people.

Eddie Murphy, Richard Pryor, Chris Rock, Rodney Carrington, Mel Brooks, and George Carlin all have material much worse than this.

However, she is currently popular, and aligned with the opposite side politically, so she gets attacked.

It takes a liberal comedienne to literally be holding a fake severed head of a sitting US president to make these type of headlines.

So it is not as much about defending her as it is about not caring. Comedy will continue to push the limits, or it will fade away. Sometimes those limits will get pushed in bad directions. Definitely not worth my emotional stability to try to keep up with what is cool to joke about and what is not.

benseth naturalist
05/30/18 5:19 am

Well I stand corrected as well. You actually have made me think you are that ignorant.

jlong105 Indiana
05/30/18 5:22 am

Apathetic is not the same as ignorant. Better things to invest my time and emotions into. Continue with your crusade, if you feel the calling.

benseth naturalist
05/30/18 5:35 am

Sure. Have a great life being ignorant of the difference between “racist” and “racial”. And of course, defending racists.

evoecon nearest binary system
05/29/18 9:23 pm

Bill Maurer and Bill Clinton are saints. No Democrat would dare challenge them.

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tdaddy diversity
05/29/18 6:08 pm

My biggest gripe is this, how likely is it that 1 out of 1,000 could have even guessed who vj is? I wouldn’t have known. When I found out I looked her up in Google Images to see if she bore any resemblance to a character in Planet of the Apes, and when I saw no resemblance then I figured, like Roseanne said, it had to be a joke because vj was apparently not a real person, so why all the brouhaha?

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benseth naturalist
05/30/18 4:32 am

That would’ve maybe made sense had Barr not apologized to Valerie Jarrett. But not really.

tdaddy diversity
05/30/18 8:36 am

If that’s true then she shouldn’t have apologized. Nobody would have known a vj from a v8.

benseth naturalist
05/30/18 9:36 am

She was absolutely talking about her. It wouldn’t have taken much investigating to understand who she was talking about...obviously. People figured it out very quickly. It’s not as if she was writing in code. And she is very outspoken already. I’m sure she has commented on this woman before. Probably even referring to her by initials as well. But she definitely should’ve apologized. She did the RIGHT thing by apologizing. That’s the difference between a decent person making a mistake and a piece of human trash. My respect for her went back up some from zero after I saw she didn’t double down, but apologized.

benseth naturalist
06/02/18 2:36 pm

So I found out after this that she was actually responding to a comment directly about Jarrett. No confusion there.

mudkip17 United States of Texas
05/29/18 3:36 pm

Pretty sure I've disagreed with plenty of liberals and they have faced backlash. Look at Kathy what's her name.

It's funny even bill Oreilly said she had to go over this
twitter.com/BillOReilly/status/1001537154898636801?s=20

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bower8899 Gone, Probably Forgotten
05/29/18 3:36 pm

Nice to see a clearly biased poll getting downvoted for once.

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 5:09 pm

I couldn’t think of a single answer other than hypocrisy or double standards to explain liberals acting this way. Can you think of one?

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tdaddy diversity
05/29/18 6:15 pm

Both answers are so similar I couldn’t figure out which one to choose, but I went with DoubleStandard because given the choices it appeared to fit best.

susanr Colorado
05/29/18 6:56 pm

I think the problem with the answer options could have been avoided. I think the basic problem is that the premise is flawed.

First, not all “ugly things” said about someone are equal. Some cross a line (which may be hard to agree on - but one can ask *that* question); many don’t, so you can’t always compare who got fired and who didn’t.

Then, I know your recollection of the Griffin stunt is that the liberals you engaged with in *comments* supported what she did, but the *results* of a good number of polls made during that time show a very different picture. I would simply not base a judgement of a whole group on comments, but on votes. Many may not speak up. Also, even votes in relatively small polls don’t tell a complete picture (like early results today).
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susanr Colorado
05/29/18 7:16 pm

And honestly, when I looked at the Griffin polls from 5/17 today, I saw a number of liberals supporting what she did as “free speech” in some polls, a number of liberals saying “free speech” *but* you have to accept the consequences (i.e. being fired etc.) in some polls, and *many* liberals voicing various degrees of disgust with what she did and saying CNN was correct to terminate her contract, that last group including polls in which you were active. I can’t know whether you saw all of those, but I know you saw at least some of *mine* because you replied to them, and there were others of mine where you were in the same thread. So not *all* liberals who commented supported her.

A couple ways to avoid two answer options that are the same or almost the same: (1) Ask *if* your perception is correct (i.e, “Do liberals have a double standard about comedians and free speech...etc.?) Yes/No, instead of “Why do they do this?”, but I don’t think that’s the best question myself.
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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 7:18 pm

Sorry, Susan, I tried, but literally couldn’t come up with another option for explaining why liberals I’ve talked to think it’s alright for liberal comedians to bash others, but when a conservative does it, they think she should be fired.

susanr Colorado
05/29/18 7:22 pm

I have to go do some stuff outside before it gets dark and I have to eat something because I’m getting really nauseated but I’ll come back and finish this in a while.

benseth naturalist
05/30/18 12:48 am

I think all you really need to do is ask what jc would do. Would he attack a black person by likening her to an ape? No he wouldn’t. Because it’s wrong. Would he think it’s funny to liken her to an ape? No he wouldn’t. Because it’s not funny.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/30/18 1:37 pm

Read my disclaimer, benseth. This is NOT about whether what she said was wrong.

benseth naturalist
05/30/18 2:32 pm

Well I see no disclaimer. So what is your point then? That a partisan on one side disparages someone and only the other side’s partisans get upset? Okay... I’m not sure if you noticed but our country’s politics is moving to the extreme partisan poles of the two party spectrum. This is just another manifestation of how ridiculous people are being on both “sides”. We should love and respect all of our brothers and sisters regardless of whether they think tax cuts are better than tax increases or vice versa. But the vitriol usually isn’t based in policy anyway. Just so you know: there are way more moderates than partisans from both sides still in this country. A lot of rational people didn’t vote for either of the Godless, corrupt major party candidates. And most of those people get upset about all of the disparaging remarks.

benseth naturalist
05/30/18 2:42 pm

I fear that your poll question works to facilitate partisan division.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/30/18 8:12 pm

Since you couldn’t find the disclaimer, I copied and pasted it again here:

DISCLAIMER:

To everyone else coming here: I am NOT defending what Roseanne said. It was repugnant and stupid.

I am NOT saying that ABC didn’t have the right to fire her. They have every right to hire or fire whomever they wish, as a company.

What I AM debating is the fact that 70% of liberals in all the polls about whether Roseanne’s show should be cancelled are saying that it should, while they argued with me until we were both blue in the face that liberal comedians who have said stupid things and done stupid things (like hold up a severed head of the President of the US) should get a pass, because they have both FREE SPEECH and they’re ONLY comedians and that the job of comedy is to be EDGY!

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/30/18 8:13 pm

And this app has never been about unity. It’s a polling and debating app.

benseth naturalist
05/30/18 8:53 pm

Okay so those debates you had with those other people- that wasn’t me. I’m gonna redirect you back to my last two posts. But for now, whatever happened to turn the other cheek? I know the reward I’m seeking is not the feeling of being correct here on earth. We have to start practicing compassion in our country again. We are losing a lot of people to the evil of the world just because they are getting wrapped up in things as petty as politics. Please reread what I posted a know that I’m not saying there aren’t double standards. But a person’s focus on one double standard against them could blind them from seeing a double standard that they perpetrate against someone else. I’m just as susceptible to doing this also but I’m trying hard not to and trying hard to alert everyone to how easy it is to be blinded by the vitriol coming from every direction.

benseth naturalist
05/30/18 8:57 pm

Debating and arguing an issue doesn’t mean you can’t still be united. If it’s done right with a compromise to resolve it, it will unite us even stronger.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/31/18 7:22 am

Benseth, turn the other cheek was for an insult, and notice the Bible doesn’t say what to do after you’ve turned that first cheek. The Bible does NOT say that we should become doormats, letting others run all over us and abuse us. We have every right to stick up for ourselves and what we believe.

One of the reasons that we’re in the shape we’re in now, with sin rampant in the US, is because Christians have allowed others to run over us and take away our rights, almost to the point of persecution. We need to stop just accepting sin & stand up against it, pointing it out when we see it.

Hypocrisy of others is one of these sins.

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benseth naturalist
05/31/18 7:26 am

You are deluded. I hope you come to terms with it.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/31/18 8:23 am

I thought you were all about acting like a Christian. Ad hominem attacks don’t sound very Christian. Or was it just me that should act like one? πŸ˜‚πŸ€£πŸ˜œπŸ˜œπŸ˜œ

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/31/18 8:48 am

Oh, btw, it doesn’t sound very unifying, either! Lol

benseth naturalist
05/31/18 8:58 am

Telling you that you are deluded is not calling you names. I’m actually telling you that you’re deluded because I’m concerned. I don’t feel it’s any of your doing. You’ve just been misguided- deluded.

benseth naturalist
05/31/18 9:01 am

And it’s not about “acting like” a Christian...πŸ€”πŸ˜πŸ˜•

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/31/18 9:18 am

You asked what Jesus Christ would do. If you’re acting like Jesus, that’s acting like a Christian.

What, exactly, do you feel I’m deluded on? Are you a born again Christian?

And I’m not concerned with partisan division. We are going to be divided as long as Democrats keep murdering babies. And Jesus tells us to come apart from the world and NOT be a part of what the world teaches is right, does He not?

The Bible says that because of Jesus, there will be divisions—even among families. There is NO WAY you can expect two political parties with opposite values to come together and be unified. And if that EVER happens it will be that Dems have decided to stop murdering babies, because Christians CAN NOT compromise on this issue, or we compromise EVERYTHING that Jesus stands for!

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benseth naturalist
05/31/18 9:44 am

Not all democrats murder babies.

benseth naturalist
05/31/18 9:48 am

I’m twice baptized fully understanding the implications thanks. I will try to explain myself further after lunch about how you’re being deceived.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/31/18 9:56 am

If you’ve ever voted for the Democratic party, you’ve voted to keep abortion going, so you’re part of murdering babies.

I didn’t ask if you were baptized. I asked if you’re a born again Christian—have you realized that you’re a sinner, and that Jesus died on the cross to save you from your sins and rose from the dead to give you eternity with Him? Have you accepted that free gift of salvation, repented and turned from your sins?

Ok about the after lunch thing.

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benseth naturalist
05/31/18 10:08 am

Well that’s how we treat baptisms around here. It’s not just an initiation into a church. Yes I’m born again. And I’ve never voted for a dem or republican for president. But the notion that dems are all heathens is a fallacy. Not all are pro abortion.

benseth naturalist
05/31/18 10:10 am

Telling someone that they are murdering babies because they voted democrat even though they aren’t pro abortion is wrong.

benseth naturalist
05/31/18 10:11 am

What if they are making an exception just as you are making an exception for trump’s morality?

benseth naturalist
05/31/18 10:16 am

Or lack of morality

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/31/18 10:25 am

If you’re not pro abortion, why would you EVER vote for those that are? That’s why I would NEVER vote Democrat!

What Trump does in his personal life does not affect public policy like the murdering of babies. I vote for candidates based on what they will be promoting or not promoting.

DJT is NOT promoting abortion, whereas HRC was promoting abortion up to the day of birth and was pushing to get rid of the Hyde Amendment, which would mean that all abortions would’ve been tax payer funded. I am NOT in favor of paying for the murdering of babies. She even said that religious people HAD to change their values to accept abortion!

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/31/18 10:26 am

I’m gonna be gone for a while. Will check back later this afternoon.

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benseth naturalist
05/31/18 11:24 am

Abortion is not the only issue. And some that vote democrat are misguided. Just as there are misguided republican voters. I only ask that you practice compassion as a Christian.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/31/18 11:52 am

If you had ever interacted with me before, you would know that I do try to act with Christian compassion. In fact, you might want to check out TopsQueens comment about me in one Okie’s poll about the televangelist.

However, that doesn’t mean that I can’t point out hypocrisy of those that will skewer conservatives but use a double standard for liberals that do the same thing.

Jesus pointed out sin, and pulled people up short when they were acting hypocritical, did he not?

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benseth naturalist
05/31/18 12:10 pm

I don’t think I’ve interacted with you before. But I believe you. It’s just that talking about a different incident instead of the one at hand seems to give cover or credence to the current incident, regardless of disclaimer. I understand you don’t condone what happened now but that should be all we say. Deal with each issue as it happens instead of having to re-condemn a past incident as a requisite to condemning something originating from the other side of the political spectrum.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/31/18 2:03 pm

Thanks, Benseth. That would be fine IF the other side wasn’t so one sided. You’re not NEARLY as active on SOH as I have been, and I’ve only been here 20 months, compared to your being here more than 5 years.

And I can tell you that I’ve talked with liberals until I was blue in the face, with them telling me it’s fine and dandy for liberal comedians to talk about others this way because they’re just comedians and comedy is SUPPOSED to be EDGY and derogatory toward others. When I tell them I think that the purpose of comedy is to be FUNNY, they tell me that these other people making jokes about conservatives, denigrating them IS funny. So all I’m asking is that they see conservative comedians the same way—that they have free speech and that what they say shouldn’t get them fired any more than it should the liberal comedians.

Otherwise, it’s just hypocrisy.

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benseth naturalist
05/31/18 2:25 pm

I hope you realize that you’re gonna get more partisans on apps and forums like this. SoH is great but it isn’t a true cross section of how things are. It’s gonna be really amplified here. I encourage you to personally talk with unlike political minds if you don’t already. Does your church not have any democrat voters at all?

benseth naturalist
05/31/18 2:27 pm

I meant personally- face to face.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/31/18 3:54 pm

No, our church is all very elderly-in their 70’s and above. And even if they weren’t, there aren’t many Southern Baptists that are Democratic because of the abortion issue and other social issues. The vast majority of AL is Baptist.

I came to SOH to find a polling app, but also to get out of my southern Southern Baptist bubble! Lol

My eyes have been opened a LOT since coming to SOH, as the vast majority of people I know believe like I do. One of my kids moved out of state and then back to AL and talks about the differences, as well.

Just as an example—we went to a mattress store a few days ago and struck up a convo with the owner, who was Southern Baptist & proceeded to tell us his view health and wealth gospel and gave hubby a name of a guy to look up on youtube that speaks against this heresy! Lol

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/31/18 3:55 pm

The few Democrats that I’ve talked to IRL are rabidly against conservatives and Christians, like they are here on SOH.

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benseth naturalist
05/31/18 4:12 pm

Yes stay away from that prosperity gospel please. I wish you well. Thanks for the rational discourse.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/31/18 7:14 pm

I kind of HAVE to stay away from it. You see, hubby is a pastor and we’ve ALWAYS been on poverty level or below! Lol

Thanks!

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/31/18 7:14 pm

Btw, may I ask what denomination you are?

benseth naturalist
05/31/18 8:12 pm

Well I’ve found a good nondenominational with a great band setup. I’m a guitarist. I still occasionally go to my family’s baptist church. But I’ve gone through quite a journey in church membership. We went Assembly of God -> Methodist -> Baptist.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/31/18 8:35 pm

There are Baptist churches with bands! Lol What brand of Baptist? Southern? Northern? Independent? Free Will? Lol

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benseth naturalist
05/31/18 8:42 pm

Nondenominational. But the southern baptist church I also go to is really picking it up with their band also. Guitar, bass, horns drum kit, organ and piano. It’s a full setup at the nondenominational church. We rock it out.

benseth naturalist
05/31/18 8:45 pm

There’s quite a movement toward praise songs by band instead of hymn songs by organ around here in the baptist churches. Is it not like that where you are?

lcamino Florida
05/29/18 3:18 pm

Maybe they are biased. I don’t think it is civil behavior for anyone to say these things.

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Odysseus We All Need A Fantasy
05/29/18 2:58 pm

No hypocrisy, no double standards. Look how Liberals turned on Al Franken and look how Conservatives embraced Donald Trump for alleged sexual abuse. The real hypocrisy rests with fake evangelical Christians who make a mockery of Christian beliefs and values for the sake of political ideology. I wonder how they plan on reconciling their actions come Judgement Day.

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 5:08 pm

I’ve never heard a single Christian say that they agree with sexual abuse. We don’t have to reconcile our actions as we’ve not sexually abused anyone.

Just like liberals aren’t responsible for JFK or Bill Clinton’s or FDR’s sexual escapades!

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evoecon nearest binary system
05/29/18 9:27 pm

Odysseus, Don’t forget, liberal have never reject Bill Clinton for his obvious sexual abuse of women, nor Hillary’s support of Bill through that time.

I despise Trump and have always believe American politics can do better than a Clinton or a Trump.

bower8899 Gone, Probably Forgotten
05/30/18 2:08 am

FDR had affairs, but never did sexual things to anyone without their consent.

The same is probably true for Kennedy AND Clinton.

jlong105 Indiana
05/30/18 5:32 am

"Actions speak louder than words," Broaddrick said at the time, referring to Trump's Access Hollywood comments, which involved Trump bragging about grabbing women "by the pussy" without their consent.

"Mr. Trump may have said some bad words, but Bill Clinton raped me, and Hillary Clinton threatened me," Broaddrick added. "I don't think there's any comparison."

Don’t know about JFK or FDR. But I think this is a good deal why so many women “listened to their husbands” when they went to the polls.

www.newsweek.com/did-hillary-clinton-help-bill-clinton-intimidate-and-discredit-his-accusers-714636

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/30/18 1:39 pm

Bower, tell that to the line of women that accused Clinton of RAPING them! Yet Dems have no problems with that! And Hillary and reporters and comedians call these women whores. So much for being feminists and standing for women!

FDR had a home in GA where he kept his mistress.

And all of DJT’s were consensual.

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/30/18 1:40 pm

DJT didn’t grab them without their consent. He plainly said, “They LET me do whatever I want!” That’s called consent.

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ladyniner81 I hate people
05/30/18 3:46 pm

And we got the Clinton raped someone reference! When their cultleader has supposedly sexually abused someone, walked in on women dressing and it's CLINTON RAPED SOMEONE!!! I know where your thoughts lie.

Okie1967 Defend the Police
05/29/18 2:49 pm

Liberals are concerned with winning, not fairness.

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Think Lovin Life
05/29/18 3:11 pm

... by any means possible.

Domino3 Abolish the ATF
05/29/18 2:37 pm

I️ haven’t seen this.. most of them I’ve seen have said it’s an overreaction because the whole cast has to suffer from her stupidity.

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 2:53 pm

Check out the poll results of all the polls about Roseanne on SOH.

UniversePlan Michigan
05/29/18 3:31 pm

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 7:11 pm

This poll isn’t about the general population. It’s about the people of SOH.

zimmy Florida
05/29/18 2:21 pm

Oh you mean like Kathy Griffin? Yeah that was pure left wing who got her sacked from CNN πŸ€£πŸ˜‚πŸ€£πŸ€£πŸ˜‚

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chickencookie America weeps
05/29/18 2:16 pm

The simple fact that you are a conservative and therefore by default, wrong.

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 2:20 pm

EXACTLY, Cookie! It’s also why they, who are supposedly feminists, only criticize conservative women that have broken the glass ceiling.

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 1:24 pm

DISCLAIMER:

To everyone else coming here: I am NOT defending what Roseanne said. It was repugnant and stupid.

I am NOT saying that ABC didn’t have the right to fire her. They have every right to hire or fire whomever they wish, as a company.

What I AM debating is the fact that 70% of liberals in all the polls about whether Roseanne’s show should be cancelled are saying that it should, while they argued with me until we were both blue in the face that liberal comedians who have said stupid things and done stupid things (like hold up a severed head of the President of the US) should get a pass, because they have both FREE SPEECH and they’re ONLY comedians and that the job of comedy is to be EDGY!

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deistt
05/29/18 1:38 pm

Bitch got cocky , celebrated a little hard . LOL. Gee

deistt
05/29/18 1:39 pm

And you and your kind are scrambling . Well fu . Take like a man . Don’t start crying now .....

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wearemonkeys77 Lest We Forget... Hodor
05/29/18 1:43 pm

I knew it was diest lol

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05/29/18 1:46 pm

Lol diest
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deistt
05/29/18 1:59 pm

I don’t know any of you fags ... and I certainly wouldn’t follow u anywhere. All anyone has to do is look. U NRA traitors ...

smart1
05/29/18 2:09 pm

We agree. Although Kathy Griffith had all her appearances canceled, kicked off her NYE show and vilified mercilessly. That was deserved. She crossed a line. Rosanne also crossed a line. Actions have consequences.

deistt
05/29/18 2:09 pm

I had to add a t . T for trump.. lol....

deistt
05/29/18 2:10 pm

Somebody changed my name as someone took it and I can’t change it back , maybe the app did idk. But it’s Hilario.....

wearemonkeys77 Lest We Forget... Hodor
05/29/18 2:10 pm

I forgot about cathy griffin! Awww i remembered cathy griffin...

susanr Colorado
05/29/18 3:26 pm

And I STRONGLY contend that this is NOT CORRECT about Kathy Griffin. See my results below fro reviewing results of a number of polls about opinions of Kathy Griffin’s stunt and whether CNN should have terminated her contract. Public opinion REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL PARTY was STRONGLY NEGATIVE.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/30/18 4:21 am

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ladyniner81 I hate people
05/30/18 3:55 pm

But but but conservatives got SO triggered over Michelle Wolf.

timeout Boston Strong
05/29/18 1:17 pm

Please give me some racist comment that a liberal comedian made. Never heard Stephen Colbert, Jimmy Kimball, Bill Maher, or John Oliver ever making a racist statement like this.

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 1:19 pm

I’m not just talking about racist comments. I’m talking about comedians that do things like hold up bloody heads that resemble the President of the US or that skewer conservatives like at the Correspondents dinner, and then liberals think they should get a pass, but a conservative should be fired.

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xxxceo Still Deplorable
05/29/18 1:23 pm

Bill Maher called someone a house nigger.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 1:25 pm

Did he lose his job or his show for saying that, xxx?

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 1:27 pm

I rest my case. Also, Timeout, please see my disclaimer statement, just above.

chickencookie America weeps
05/29/18 2:25 pm

Don Imus lost his job when he called the female basketball players something.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 2:36 pm

Let me switch gears for a minute. Just saw this on FB:

“Share if you agree that ABC should cancel The View for their constant hateful remarks after cancelling Roseanne over a Tweet!”

So if Roseanne should have been cancelled do you agree that The View should be cancelled for all their hateful comments?

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timeout Boston Strong
05/29/18 2:55 pm

No the view should not be canceled. There’s nothing racist about bashing Trump. Even Meghan McCain who is very much a Republican doesn’t like him, but stands firmly with conservatives and does a good job countering Joy Behar and the others.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 4:10 pm

So it’s alright to bash everyone else and say derogatory things against them UNLESS it’s racism? Racism is the only form of speech that is unacceptable?

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chickencookie America weeps
05/29/18 4:20 pm

@4JC America’s Got Talent is on tonight.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 7:16 pm

Thanks, Cookie. Our daughter and her family were here during the first part, but the older granddaughters and I watched the second half. LOVED the acrobats at the end. Did you catch their name? I’d love to watch that act again on youtube! BEST acrobatic show I think I’ve EVER seen!

I did NOT like the guys in high heels, or any of the other acts. I thought the comedian was lame and should not have been doing the jokes she did on a family oriented show.

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bartman71 USW
05/30/18 3:11 am

I think it has more to do with what there respective employers are willing to allow, but you can make it a party issue.

swervin Maryland
05/29/18 1:12 pm

I’m a conservative and I think they were right to fire her. If a business thinks someone will hurt their bottom line by expressing themselves, the business has the right to fire them. I know liberals are usually just cry babies but in this case, they were justified in their anger.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 1:17 pm

I’m not debating their right to fire her. I think that’s fine. What this poll is about is liberals that think Kathy and Wolf are alright in their derogatory words and actions, but Roseanne should be punished.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 1:27 pm

Please see my disclaimer statement a few comments above.

Sentinel Ya ie wa noh
05/29/18 1:30 pm

"Joy Behar"..... If you hold one accountable, hold the "All" accountable......will it happen?..... Yeah.....

chickencookie America weeps
05/29/18 2:26 pm

The View will have a field day with this tomorrow

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 2:32 pm

Yeah, I just saw a meme that says:

“Share if you agree that ABC should cancel The View for their constant hateful remarks after cancelling Roseanne over a Tweet!”

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 2:36 pm

So, do y’all agree that The View should be cancelled, since Roseanne was?

Sentinel Ya ie wa noh
05/29/18 3:14 pm

I absolutely do πŸ‘!.....

swervin Maryland
05/29/18 3:34 pm

I couldn’t care less about “The View”. If whatever network thinks they are causing more harm than good, cancel away.
Nothing is going to change my mind about how a business should operate, it has been and always will be, “whatever a business wants to do is fine with me, as long as it isn’t breaking any law.”
So cancel The View, cancel Rosanne, cancel all future MCU movies if they want, that’s their choice.

ScenarioNations California
05/29/18 12:58 pm

Rosanne compared her to an ape....you shouldn't be trying to defend that. Does she have the free speech to do that? Yes. Does ABC have the right to deplatform her with their free speech? Yes. Are you free from consequences? No.

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 1:06 pm

Where did you see that I defending her saying it? What she said was repugnant and stupid. And I didn’t say she doesn’t have free speech to say whatever she wants. And I didn’t say that ABC doesn’t have the right to fire her.

What I DID say is that liberals give liberal comedians a pass, crying FREE SPEECH, but when a conservative comedian says something stupid, the vast majority of them say she should be fired. Why is that?/

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ScenarioNations California
05/29/18 1:10 pm

I've never met this strawman. I've never met any liberal suggesting that left wing comedians should be free from criticism. I also wouldn't call someone who's anti free speech a "liberal", but that's just me.

I'm happy to hear that you're fine with the criticism over her. I've heard some arguing that her free speech should triumph over that of ABC. I do think her show will be picked up somewhere else tho.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 1:16 pm

I talk to liberals here on SOH every day that think that left wing comedians should be free from criticism, and have even told me that the job of a comedian is to be ugly to other people and put them down, to be edgy, whether it’s funny or not.

And hold on a minute....I didn’t say that Roseanne shouldn’t have free speech rights. I just said that what she said was stupid—she still has the right to say whatever she wants—I just don’t think that liberals should be skewering her when they don’t skewer Kathy (what IS her last name?) or that woman that did the WH Correspondents dinner (Wolf?).

chickencookie America weeps
05/29/18 2:27 pm

Wolf got her own show on Netflix.

tdaddy diversity
05/29/18 8:41 pm

Damn! Well so much for thinking maybe Netflix will carry the next season of Roseanne!!

Hey Hulu, here’s your chance!!!

wearemonkeys77 Lest We Forget... Hodor
05/29/18 12:42 pm

A lot of people on the Right Said Kaepernick should be fired but are now defending Roseanne...

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 1:04 pm

I’m not talking about people like Kaepernick. I’m ONLY talking about comedians—and the hypocrisy of giving some of them a pass because they have free speech rights and, after all, they’re JUST comedians, and they can say WHATEVER they want, UNLESS they’re conservatives.

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wearemonkeys77 Lest We Forget... Hodor
05/29/18 1:10 pm

Oh... Well now i kind of agree. Problem is tribalism is a human issue, not just a left-wing problem.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 1:21 pm

But liberals are the experts in that regard, Monkeys. After all, they’re supposedly feminists, but can’t say ANYTHING nice about conservative women that have broken the glass ceiling, can they?

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 1:27 pm

I put a disclaimer statement above, that clarifies my point of view.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/29/18 1:31 pm

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wearemonkeys77 Lest We Forget... Hodor
05/29/18 1:32 pm

Do you really think the right is any better in this regard?

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/29/18 1:40 pm

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wearemonkeys77 Lest We Forget... Hodor
05/29/18 1:43 pm

Nemy do you know what confirmation bias is?

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 1:49 pm

Well said, Nemmy!

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/29/18 1:55 pm

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 1:59 pm

EXACTLY, Nemmy! Though, again, that’s not what this poll is about. See my disclaimer.

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wearemonkeys77 Lest We Forget... Hodor
05/29/18 2:07 pm

Nemy i think private companies can manage themselves. We were talking about hypocrisy in the parties,

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 2:35 pm

Let me switch gears for a minute. Just saw this on FB:

“Share if you agree that ABC should cancel The View for their constant hateful remarks after cancelling Roseanne over a Tweet!”

So if Roseanne should have been cancelled do you agree that The View should be cancelled for all their hateful comments?

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/30/18 4:23 am

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Sentinel Ya ie wa noh
05/29/18 12:36 pm

Because.... "Muh, muh, muh feelins"..... are feeling hurt!, snivel, snivel.....

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Pickyoteeth
05/29/18 12:41 pm

Yeah and you're a snowflake b/c you can't handle a few players kneeling.. Snivel Snivel.. And whatever else you said troll.

Sentinel Ya ie wa noh
05/29/18 12:47 pm

I said, muh, muh, muh, feelins are are hurt".....and could if a shit about the pussy racist little bitches that kneel at football games, none of them or shit bags like you have any Honor or Integrity!.....cowards the lot of you!.....

Pickyoteeth
05/29/18 12:51 pm

Just try to add something more significant to the dialogue besides liberals being snowflakes, or whiners. It gets old.

Sentinel Ya ie wa noh
05/29/18 12:59 pm

So follow suit and suck it up!.....

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 12:16 pm

πŸ’  4JC asked:
05/29/2018
Why is it that when a comedian says ugly things about ANY conservative, they’re just a comedian with free speech & shouldn’t be judged, but when a comedian says something ugly about a liberal, most liberals here say her show was rightly cancelled?

Hypocrisy
Double Standards

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Pickyoteeth
05/29/18 12:23 pm

Michelle wolf called Sarah sanders a liar. Something republicans called Clinton and Obama countless times. Joe Wilson (republican representative) even did it during obama's speach to congress.

Roseanne called a black person an ape and a jew a nazi.

Also, if the NFL can prevent kneeling, then ABC can fire racists.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 12:26 pm

I didn’t say they didn’t have the right to fire her. I’m just wondering why liberals give liberal comedians a pass and say that they shouldn’t be punished for ugly things they say or do (like holding up a bloody, severed head that looks like the President of the US), but someone that says something ugly about a liberal should be punished. Why is that?

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commonman1 Peace
05/29/18 12:34 pm

Good comparison 4JC. I don’t care about Roseanne and what she did was bad but I do see the hypocrisy from the left. I like to hear why they don’t say anything except they’re comics and have comic rights when they slam the right with the same tasteless outrageous jokes.

Pickyoteeth
05/29/18 12:34 pm

You think Kathy Griffen got a pass? πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

Many liberals condemned it and she did it on her own accord

commonman1 Peace
05/29/18 12:38 pm

She retracted everything she said. Most liberals came to her aid and defend her.

Pickyoteeth
05/29/18 12:39 pm

Most? Lol

commonman1 Peace
05/29/18 12:41 pm

Problem with Kathy she hides behind being a comic to say non funny things in order to attack someone. That’s not comedy and should not be allowed to say it is.

Pickyoteeth
05/29/18 12:44 pm

It wasn't funny. I agree. It was dumb and it was inappropriate. What punishment should she get though? I don't think she was working with anyone? If Roseanne had said this without being on a show, I would have said "wow, what a crazy bitch." since she was on a network she should've been more careful. I would imagine Kathy would've been fired if rolls reversed.

ScenarioNations California
05/29/18 1:00 pm

You're comparing apples and oranges. Wolf appeared once. It was a one time critique. Rosanne has a show and we see her every week.

ScenarioNations California
05/29/18 1:01 pm

And I never gave Kathy Griffith a pass either, I also never called for Rosanne to be fired. If anything, I just don't watch them anymore.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 1:03 pm

I’m not so much concerned with whether they get “punished” or not. I’m more concerned with the fact that liberals think that conservatives SHOULD be punished but liberals shouldn’t! That’s what this poll is about—not whether what she said was repugnant or not—it WAS—and was a STUPID thing to say. Not whether she should be punished or not. All I’m pointing out is the hypocrisy on the left, who cry FREE SPEECH whenever a liberal says something stupid, but skewer a conservative that says something stupid.

Thanks, commonman! Well said!

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ScenarioNations California
05/29/18 1:05 pm

No offense but there's conservatives that think Wolf should be punished but Rosanne shouldn't. That football players should but Rosanne shouldn't.

If you want to look hard enough, you'll find hypocrites on both sides. Humans are naturally hypocritical.

Pickyoteeth
05/29/18 1:07 pm

Some on the right do the same thing JC. It's not just something liberals do and not all liberals do it. There are plenty on the right are rushing to the defense of Roseanne right now! Welcome to the USA hypocrites in both parties.

Pickyoteeth
05/29/18 1:08 pm

Following scenario!!

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 1:11 pm

According to the SOH polls, around 70% of liberals in ALL the polls that people have posted about Roseanne are saying her show should have been cancelled.

And the vast majority of them said that Kathy whatever her name was had free speech, and I talked until I was blue in the face over the Wolf issue, with ALL the liberal that talked to me about it saying that Wolf should get a pass because she is ONLY a liberal. In fact, all the liberals on this app have told me that ALL liberal late night comedians are ok spewing venom toward conservatives and this it i ONLY comedy if they’re skewering people, ridiculing people, etc.

I tried to tell them that comedy is supposed to be FUNNY, but they said that comedy is supposed to be edgy and that it’s not funny if it’s not and that comedians can say whatever they want. But NOW that it’s a conservative, all of a sudden, they think she should be fired.

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 1:12 pm

Sorry, I meant to say that liberals were saying Wolf should get a pass because she is only a COMEDIAN....Freudian slip, there...I said what I actually think....that they only get passes because they’re LIBERALS! Lol

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kscott516 Fact checker
05/29/18 1:14 pm

How many liberals have called Trump a Nazi? Even on the MSM outlets.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 1:18 pm

And liberals here say they have every right to say things like that and NOT get punished for it, but a conservative that says something ugly should be fired. That’s what the poll is about.

susanr Colorado
05/29/18 1:27 pm

I’d just like to add my voice to those saying that not all liberals think or say what you’re claiming - and I *know* you haven’t said *all* liberals anywhere give liberal comedians a pass, but I still think you are comparing some things unfairly.

I think that many things that some comedians - or just anyone, including many people here on SOH - say in public that is supposedly a “joke” aren’t funny at all and are highly offensive, such as the Kathy Griffen stunt and the Roseanne Barr tweets (her “apology” wasn’t much of an apology if you really examine it).

And, as with almost anything that gets politicized, I don’t give a flying monkey’s ass *who* said it or what their politics happen to be. And I know *many* people who feel the same. (I see some of them from the conservative side voicing a similar sentiment.)

What’s with your answer options? I almost didn’t vote on this poll at all because you haven’t given people a valid option unless they already agree with you.

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 1:32 pm

Please see my disclaimer at the top of the poll. No, it’s not all of them, but around 70% of Dems in all the polls about Roseanne say her show should’ve been cancelled.

And I’ve talked until I’m blue in the face with liberals here who say that ALL comedians should get a pass no matter what stupid thing they say or do (Griffin and Wolf for example) because it’s COMEDY and the job of comedians is to be edgy and derogatory (I thought the job of comedians was to be FUNNY!)

And I gave those two answers because I truly couldn’t think of any other possibility that liberals could have for giving liberal comedians a pass but saying that Roseanne’s show should be cancelled. It’s already the ONLY tv show that shows what half of Americans believe—from a conservative viewpoint, about politics—of COURSE they’re fine with it being cancelled—they can’t STAND that there would be a tv show that shows a viewpoint different from theirs!

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susanr Colorado
05/29/18 1:33 pm

“In fact, all the liberals on this app have told me that ALL liberal late night comedians are ok spewing venom toward conservatives...”

I take back what I said above.

You *did* claim this, at least, about *all* the liberals on this app.

Seriously? All 600+ of them? Even all 100+ or so who sometimes comment?

*This* one didn’t, and I don’t believe that *all* of them did, either.

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Pickyoteeth
05/29/18 1:34 pm

I certainly didn't either @susanr

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 1:35 pm

Sorry...I meant all the ones that have talked to me about the issue. Not a single liberal told me that Wolf was in the wrong, or that Kathy should be punished for what she did. They claimed they’re ONLY comedians and that they have FREE SPEECH and that comedy should be like that—derogatory toward others. I long for the day when comedy was funny—and NOT at the expense of others!

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 1:37 pm

And you can’t argue with the poll results—70% are saying they believe she should be fired—while they exact opposite was true about Wolf or Kathy—they said they should not have repercussions for what they said—and that goes for all of the late night comedians as well—they always tell me—if you don’t like what they say, don’t watch their shows.

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ScenarioNations California
05/29/18 1:39 pm

4JC is every Republican a conservative? No? Then why are you claiming that 70% of DEMOCRATS are suddenly liberals? Democrat =/= Liberal. A Democrat can be a liberal but it doesn't have to be.

Pickyoteeth
05/29/18 1:39 pm

What did wolf say that was even in the same realm as calling someone an ape or nazi??

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
05/29/18 1:44 pm

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 1:47 pm

I agree, Nemacyst. SN, give me the name of ONE, just ONE person on SOH that would claim that they’re a Liberal Republican or a Conservative Democrat! πŸ˜‚πŸ€£πŸ˜‚

Can we say oxymoron? LOL

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 1:48 pm

Pick, what did Roseanne say that was in the same vein as Kathy holding up a severed head of the President of the US?

See, that works both ways! Lol

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ScenarioNations California
05/29/18 1:53 pm

A Conservative Democrat would be someone like my great aunt and uncle who farm disagree with the Democrats on social issues but vote Democrat due to farming subsidies and economic policies.
A Liberal Republican would be someone like Mitt Romney who supported the government in Healthcare.

Just because our loud spoken people on SOH are stereotypically conservative republicans or liberal democrats doesn't mean that there aren't those that don't fit into that mold. Ik people like jfish who'd likely call himself a progressive and not a liberal and others that fall into the same camp.

Pickyoteeth
05/29/18 1:53 pm

To me, it was beyond worse. Many Republicans created cartoons, propaganda, etc of Obama as a Muslim or being lynched.. It's sickening. I'm not defending Kathy. I already told you that was wrong, but you are trying to say what wolf did was even remotely close to this?? No.

ScenarioNations California
05/29/18 1:54 pm

I was actually really close to becoming a Republican and I'm liberal so you can sort of count me as one. Plus I think I'm still put down on SOH as a libertarian so

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 1:58 pm

Progressive is just another name for liberal—that’s made to sound like they have a newer, better way than the way that’s worked for the last 250 years! It’s a euphemism for liberal, to take out the negative connotation of being liberal.

Again, read my disclaimer, above, about what I’m saying.

SN, you just proved our point—you’re a LIBERTARIAN, not a liberal Republican or a conservative Democrat.

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ScenarioNations California
05/29/18 2:00 pm

Actually I'm an independent who almost became a liberal republican. I just proved my point that some do exist.

Also note that I brought up real world examples and you haven't even mentioned them. Sad!

Also also note that Progressives have a more authoritarian approach on liberty than liberals. They're not synonymous at all.

kscott516 Fact checker
05/29/18 2:01 pm

“What did wolf say that was even in the same realm as calling someone an ape or nazi??”

I’ll ask again since you guys are ignoring it. How many MSM outlets have called Trump a Nazi and the left agreed with them openly? Answer: ALL of them

ScenarioNations California
05/29/18 2:04 pm

And the right wing agreed when right wing commentators claimed Obama wasn't born here or was a communist.

Both sides are stupid.

kscott516 Fact checker
05/29/18 2:29 pm

Obama was NOT born in the US. That’s a fact and nothing to do with racism.

chickencookie America weeps
05/29/18 2:30 pm

Anyone remember the rodeo clown who was fired because he wore an Obama mask despite wearing a Bush mask previous years?

ScenarioNations California
05/29/18 2:31 pm

Kscott is obviously that clown lmfao

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 2:35 pm

Let me switch gears for a minute. Just saw this on FB:

“Share if you agree that ABC should cancel The View for their constant hateful remarks after cancelling Roseanne over a Tweet!”

So if Roseanne should have been cancelled do you agree that The View should be cancelled for all their hateful comments?

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Pickyoteeth
05/29/18 2:37 pm

No. Nobody on the view has said anything equivalent to this

ScenarioNations California
05/29/18 2:39 pm

I never stated that I think Rosanne should be cancelled. If the View is against the policies and values of ABC then so be it.
It's a simple free market decision. Is the view costing ABC money? No. Is Rosanne costing ABC money? Possibly as it might lose them ad revenue or people might stop tuning into their shows.

susanr Colorado
05/29/18 2:41 pm

4JC - “And you can’t argue with the poll results—70% are saying they believe she should be fired—while they exact opposite was true about Wolf or Kathy—they said they should not have repercussions for what they said...”

I don’t know what the Wolf issue is. But I just looked at a number of polls about Kathy Griffin and I’m not seeing what you claim here, at all. The polls do differ considerably in opinions (no doubt to a great degree because of the political makeup of different users’ followers), but here are a couple of interesting ones:

Jarod asked if CNN terminating Griffin’s contract was a good move. Answers: Yes/No. Results (% Yes): Dem 81, R 92, I 90, L 100. That’s with a total of 236 votes.

Democrats *81%* in favor of CNN terminating Griffin. Not a huge difference from the Republican vote either.

(The total votes in today’s polls (I see 10 asking questions about the cancellation) range from 23 to 103, so the numbers in each political group are pretty small so far.)
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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 2:50 pm

Why would you think The View isn’t costing them money, SN? I’m sure that NO conservatives watch it. So what you’re basically saying is that ONLY the values that ABC has counts—and that companies will ONLY pull their ads if it’s a conservative that says something ugly and not all the liberal women on the view, right?

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4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 2:52 pm

Maybe it’s more in the comments that I’m getting this idea, then, Susan, because every one that spoke up spoke up to say that comedians have every right to say ANYTHING they want and that it’s free speech and should even be applauded because it’s edgy and derogatory toward others, which is what comedy is all about. Like I said, I miss the days when comedy was funny instead of just a bunch of insults against others!

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susanr Colorado
05/29/18 2:58 pm

Here’s another Griffen poll (these are from May 2017, by the way):

ProudAmerican45 asked if everyone can agree that the picture goes over the line... This is appalling and unacceptable. Agree/Disagree. 252 votes. Results (% Agree): D 75, R 96, I 94, L 83.

Gluxford1 asked if Griffin’s anti-Trump publicity stunt was acceptable or did it go too far. Acceptable/Too Far. 250 votes. Results (% Acceptable): D 18, R 0, I 6, L 4.

GrandmaAlice stated that people of ALL political persuasions are condemning Kathy Griffin for her picture... Agree/Disagree 262 votes. Results (% Agree): D 82, R 84, I 92, L 91.

The last example, GA’s, is a bit different because it’s about our *perceptions* of each others’ opinions, rather than our *own* opinions on the issue, and I believe that it shows that at the time, the great majority of Republicans and Democrats who voted in GA’s poll, at least, saw both sides as seeing the condemnation of Griffin as a nonpartisan thing.

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ScenarioNations California
05/29/18 3:05 pm

4JC, it still has advertisers doesn't it?
And honestly I couldn't care less if they got rid of the view. It is up to the network to cancel a show if they view it as not worth it. It's possible the View is losing them money and they just wish to subsidize that failure. That's their decision. If they want to have a losing show and get rid of a winning show then that's a bad business model (they're doing good in other shows though so they can afford this).

susanr Colorado
05/29/18 3:18 pm

4JC - Of course you will see some comments like that. But those were NOT the only comments that were on the Griffin polls. I know because I just reviewed the comments on a whole bunch of them, and there were a *lot* of liberals condemning what she had done.

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susanr Colorado
05/29/18 3:18 pm

And finally, I hope (because I have other stuff to do today) here’s part of a comment I posted on one of those old polls, which includes what I saw on a liberal Facebook page:

“I've just posted on this and another poll that I find it abhorrent, and I've called Griffen an a*****e for doing it. I've just come from visiting a very heavily trafficked (over 117,000 followers) liberal friend's Facebook page where he stated that if anyone posted the damned thing to his page, he would remove their access to his page. And explained that he doesn't tolerate sh*tty behavior from the left or the right. And stated "You want a better country; be better citizens." I looked at the comments on his page. Of those who had seen the thing, there was agreement that (a) they didn't like her humor anyway and (b) it was a despicable thing to do. Of those who hadn't seen it, most were content to not bother with it. Of those who looked at it anyway, all regretted it.”

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Pickyoteeth
05/29/18 4:24 pm

Can we start a movement on SOH to get @Susanr a show on television to fact check everyone's shit (conservatives and liberals)? Maybe she can replace Ms. Barr 😁

susanr Colorado
05/29/18 5:23 pm

Yikes, no, Pickyoteeth, but thanks for the suggestion! I’m deathly allergic to video (also audio). I resisted going on the SOH Hangouts that firefly5 and ronderman used to host because of that.

chickencookie America weeps
05/29/18 6:08 pm

Joy bashed Catholics and mike pence. She didn’t lose her job.

ScenarioNations California
05/29/18 6:19 pm

Chicken, Joy simply joked that if you literally hear God talking to you in an audible voice like Mike Pence does, you might be mentally ill.

Is that controversial? Yes. Is there truth in that? Probably. I mean we don't think it's normal to talk to the ghost of old aunt Suzy and have full on conversations with her. We don't think it's normal to have President Nixon talking to the paintings of former Presidents and have full on conversations with them. Most people would agree that those are signs of mental illness. But why does this change when you bring up current republicans and God? I'm not saying that hearing an audible voice of God is a sign of mental illness, but many would argue that and I don't think one should be fired for saying that. Either way this isn't anyway as bad as calling a black woman an ape. You can change your religion. You can't change your race.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 7:08 pm

Thanks, Susan. I guess I stand corrected about the vote percentages. But you sure can’t tell it from the convos I’ve had with liberals here. ALL of them have told me that it’s open season on anyone & that people can say whatever they want to. I guess racist comments are the only thing that are off limits to liberals, but everything else goes?

SN, Joy shows a true ignorance of Christianity when she says that. ALL Christians talk to God when they pray & listen to His still small voice through the Holy Spirit speaking to us through Scripture, through prayer, through what pastors say, through what Christian books say, & through what Christian novels & songs say to us. It was an ignorant comment, & it showed PREJUDICE against Christianity & that she’s a Christianaphobe. She never even considered that she should talk to some Christians to find out what Pence meant before she BLASTED him for it & said he was mentally ill.

Susan—see what I mean? I rest my case. SN proved my point.

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ScenarioNations California
05/29/18 7:11 pm

No no no.

You said God speaks through scripture.
Pence said that God speaks through AN AUDIBLE VOICE.

Tell me 4JC. Do you hear god speak to you in an audible voice or are you just going to keep telling me that I'm bring a meanie because you don't know how to defend Pence even though he sounded like a crazy person?

ScenarioNations California
05/29/18 7:12 pm

Susan, see what I mean? 4JC doesn't know how to actually debate so she shouts at people and yells "bigot!!" I thought right wingers weren't triggered snow flakes?

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 7:20 pm

NO, he didn’t, SN. Joy just took him to mean that and jumped to conclusions. He said that God speaks to him. He speaks to ALL Christians! If you’re a Christian and He’s not speaking to you, you better check your relationship with Him!

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ScenarioNations California
05/29/18 7:27 pm

Okay so if Pence doesn't actually audibly hear God's voice then why didn't he correct her? Why didn't he say "no, I don't hear God audibly. He speaks to me through his words in the bible". Why didn't he correct her? Instead he acted like a big fat triggered child, cried "bigot!!", tell her that she offended Christians, and never corrected her.

Therefore since he didn't correct her, her statements seem to be accurate and he actually does seem to think God audibly talks to him. Also others in his administration back up what she said.

Why are you defending a snowflake who claims to hear the audible voice of God talking to him? Are you that partisan?

commonman1 Peace
05/29/18 7:30 pm

Omarosa Manigault Newman revealed on 'Celebrity Big Brother' that Vice President Mike Pence thinks "Jesus tells him to say things."

If this is your source it’s a weak one. You have a better one. If not you may not have an argument.

ScenarioNations California
05/29/18 7:34 pm

My source is that Mike Pence didn't say "No Joy, I don't hear voices. I hear God through the Bible".

Until then I'll assume he actually does hear voices as he hasn't stated that he doesn't. If someone accuses me of rape and then I don't say "No, I didn't rape anyone" then it's natural for people to believe I did the act as I haven't corrected the record.

Instead Manchild Pence is offended and doesn't correct the record. Sad!

commonman1 Peace
05/29/18 7:43 pm

I think his response was right on key. Obviously it matters not what he would had said. It wouldn’t be enough. It really appears non believers like bashing Christian. And if those non believers are on the left it compound the issues and there is no conversation. If you don’t like his response so be it.

ScenarioNations California
05/29/18 7:47 pm

I'm perfectly fine if Pence hears God talking through scriptures. That's normal. Most Christians do this. My parents do this.

Hearing an audible voice is completely different. It's like when my ex claims that the voices in her head talk to her and that she can see ghosts. That's when I worry about a person.

It really does seem like you're just defending Pence due to religious or political bias and that Christians have an in group out group preference while having a persecution complex.

commonman1 Peace
05/29/18 8:12 pm

Your saying since he didn't say exactly what you said then he didn't adequately address it. He felt he did. I guess that's where it stands.

ScenarioNations California
05/29/18 8:21 pm

I think he should have done better but until this rebubbles up, I guess it's best to say that likely they were talking past each other and didn't understand the points each of them were saying

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 10:30 pm

Who are you to say that God CAN’T speak audibly to us today? It’s never happened to me, but there are others that claim He has.

If you say that He can’t, you’re limiting God. If you’re saying that a person that hears God speak audibly is mentally ill, you’re denigrating Christians, imho.

I am NOT going to say how God interacts with someone else. That’s between that person and God.

But I do believe that he meant in the ways that I was talking about. And he shouldn’t HAVE to tell Joy Behar what he meant, since, when she FINALLY apologized, she claimed that SHE is a Christian. So she should’ve known very well what he meant, and most likely did, and was just being derogatory.

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ScenarioNations California
05/29/18 10:34 pm

And those people are either liars, mentally ill, or telling the truth. What's more likely? That a God would speak through a fallible source or that a man is crazy or a liar? That's how I'm positive god doesn't speak through humans.

Can God do the logically impossible? Does God do the logically impossible?

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 10:37 pm

God spoke through fallible men all the time, even a womanizing murderer, in the Old Testament. He taught the Israelites lessons by using pagan countries to do so. He can use whomever He chooses to use. He IS God, after all! All the books of the Bible were written by fallible men, whom God spoke through.

And yes, God can do the impossible. The Bible talks about that many times.

Matthew 19:

26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

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ScenarioNations California
05/29/18 10:38 pm

No..no its not. That person is making a claim and that claim should be evaluated. If not then you should be fine with a person claiming that they're god as that's a thing between themselves and god.

No hun, he should have to explain what he meant. If I say something like "I'm god", people will say "prove it", "no you're not", and "what do you mean?" If I go onto say "No, you bigot! Why are you oppressing theistic religions" without explaining what I actually meant by me being a god (maybe I was claiming that I have godlike traits, or that I am a reflection of him as his creation, or I was quoting something) I shouldn't be triggered when people misinterprete what I meant.

4JC Christian Pastors Wife
05/29/18 10:58 pm

There is NO WAY to evaluate whether another person hears the audible voice of God, as YOU aren’t going to hear what he hears, since God is only speaking to that person.

And there’s a big difference between saying God speaks to you and claiming that YOU are God!

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ScenarioNations California
05/29/18 11:04 pm

Okay so then that person still has three options: 1. he's a liar. 2. He's mentally ill. 3. He's actually hearing from God. 1 and 2 are much more likely and thus they should be believed due to probability.

And no they're quite similar. If I claim to be a prophet or something like that, then I'm special according to god. Thus what I say in God's name must be accurate for it to be of God. Therefore if I claim to receive words from God, it's barely different from being God as I'd have the authority of being right by those that believe me. Thus both are very powerful tools to convince the masses.