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Squidboy May 29th, 2018 4:21pm

Is there ever an excuse for domestic abuse?

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paranoidandroid beantown scientist lady
05/29/18 5:52 pm

There’s never an excuse for verbal abuse, physical abuse or threats. The abuser makes the choice to do it even if s/he is reacting to something. S/he takes it to that level.

Squidboy Snarkapottamus
05/29/18 6:06 pm

Of course. Remember this poll, we will have fun in a few weeks.

jvl New Orleans
05/29/18 6:18 pm

Are you going to make a case that cheating in Monopoly is an excuse for domestic abuse?

jlong105 Indiana
05/30/18 4:29 am

It is not considered abuse if it self defense.

phalnx Ohio
05/29/18 1:25 pm

...I guess if it was mutual.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
05/29/18 1:15 pm

Not possible, by definition. It’s built right in to the "abuse" part of the term.

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snagglepuss Story Time
05/29/18 12:20 pm

Nope. Never. Absolutely NOT!

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ctskapski NB MD
05/29/18 12:15 pm

Defense?

If ones partner is beating ones kids violently, one should be able to defend their kids by force...
But I don't think this is abuse.

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Ebola1 Florida
05/29/18 12:04 pm

Not unless she just won’t listen 👂.

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PhxLibertarian Republic of Dave
05/29/18 10:54 am

It depends on what kind of domestic violence. In many states you don't have to hit someone to be convicted.

In Oklahoma it is domestic violence to break something in the presence of a spouse, former spouse or someone you have a child in common with.

My friend was helping his soon to be ex-wife move out. She kept needling at him and finally he dropped a VCR on the ground, said fine do it yourself and left. He was convicted of domestic violence. That is rediclous.

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lcamino Florida
05/29/18 11:10 am

That’s terrible!

MachoMatt84 Mountain climbing
05/29/18 11:33 am

That ain't right

PhxLibertarian Republic of Dave
05/29/18 11:47 am

This is the problem with domestic violence. I always thought it was beating your wife until this happened. There should be a difference between something that could be scary (I expect the intent is to convict someone who throws the VCR at her rather than drops it in frustration), and actually harming someone. If you limit this question to physical harm o agree completely.

Squidboy Snarkapottamus
05/29/18 12:33 pm

For the sake of the poll....I would classify it as physical harm. Going beyond that goes into some grey areas that are harder to define.

AdamStephens West Virginia
05/29/18 1:57 pm

I cant find that in any resource on domestic abuse law in the state of oklahoma, and i have looked at several resources, for instance

Oklahoma refers to domestic violence as domestic abuse. It’s also sometimes referred to as domestic assault & battery (A&B). It is defined in 22 O.S. § 60.1 as any act of physical harm, or the threat of imminent physical harm which is committed by an adult, emancipated minor, or minor child 13 years of age or older against another adult, emancipated minor or minor child who are family or household members or who are or were in a dating relationship.
Assault, defined in 21 O.S. § 641, is the willful and unlawful attempt or offer with force, coercion, or violence to do corporal harm to another. Battery, defined in 21 O.S. § 642, is any willful and unlawful use of force or violence upon the person of another.

AdamStephens West Virginia
05/29/18 1:59 pm

no disrespect to your 3rd party information but your friend wasnt being 100% truthful, he either threatened her, hit her or he wasnt charged with domestic abuse, maybe destruction of property, the whole ex-wife who you argue with easily but youre still good enough to help each other move is suspicious already.

AdamStephens West Virginia
05/29/18 2:01 pm

no disrespect to your 3rd party information but your friend wasnt being 100% truthful, he either threatened her, hit her or he wasnt charged with domestic abuse, maybe destruction of property, the whole ex-wife who you argue with easily but youre still good enough to help each other move is suspicious already.

PhxLibertarian Republic of Dave
05/29/18 3:29 pm

Not sure when your source dates from. This incident was early 90s. 93/94 ish would be my guess.

My girlfriend at the time was close friends with his wife. She (wife) supported this version of events. She knew the law and admitted to my then GF that she had been pushing his buttons on purpose in hopes of something like that.

AdamStephens West Virginia
05/29/18 10:05 am

Carcano would say "because being a policeman is hard!"

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commonman1 Peace
05/29/18 10:28 am

NFL players would say there's no one else to hit at home.