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Cosmopolitan is terrible. When they wrote that the reason why men cheated was because either she didn't "do it" right, or she was getting fat. But getting back to the point, when someone keeps telling you you're fat, and you're depressed, it's one. Look at Karen Carpenter. Her mother screwed her up.

Right. Depressed people choose to be sad. Nothing to do with their brain chemicals. BPD sufferers choose to experience intense emotions. Nothing to do with different brain physiology.

I do think that these people need to take it upon themselves change their life and cope though.

I kind of think the state of our country is more a result of political polarization and black and white thinking. Americans are separating themselves from others who disagree with them. Rather than being willing to listen, understand, and love others. We instead gather together with those who share our opinions and then we tear down people who have other beliefs.

But that’s completely off-topic...

I don’t think you know what an eating disorder is

I’ve delt with eating disorders before and I can 100% tell you it is not a choice

Or light bulbs

It isn't...little kids do that all the time :D

I’m talking about adults who know better and still do it. To the point of having to have surgical removals...

Ever seen those Jackass movies? Adults do that too.

They do it for money and fame not out of compulsion. You're conflating 2 very different examples

Please elaborate

You choose to starve yourself, or throw up. It’s a symptom of poor choices

You choose to starve yourself or vomit because....work with me here. There is some sort of mental illness.

Schizophrenia, bipolar, borderline personality, etc. Food disorder is a choice or symptom associated with deeper mental illnesses

At the end of the day you decide you want to throw up or not eat, no gun is your head. You may be susceptible to making poor choices due to other mental problems.

The disorder causes you to choose to do those things, just like certain mental disorders cause you to attempt suicide or claw your own skin off.

I actually agree with carcano for once^

There is more to carcano than he lets on.

Because you don't understand it?

Because those who don’t understand it (or those who do but are malicious) want to use it as a catch-all term.

So an anorexic who looks in the mirror and sees themselves as fat is what exactly?

Eating disorders are mental disorders, not even debatable at this point. You're just ignoring facts

Agreed Rambo

That would be a specific example, on which the root issue is an inaccurate self-image rather than the eating behavior itself.

See: Body Dysmorphic Disorder

Anorexia is literally listed in the DSM V.

Is that supposed to be relevant to the question? Because it isn’t.

Liberty. The DSM comment suggests that eating disorders are a mental illness because a very large group of MD’s & PhD’s got together & designated it as such. That they didn’t consult you in the matter is what, fortuitous?

You’re suggesting that some is correct because it is done currently. That’s the fallacy of tradition and not a valid argument.

Essentially, you’re saying that it should be classified as a mental illness because it’s classified as a mental illness.

Makes no sense.

You’re going all in on this one, huh?

Not really, just responding to inquiries as they come.

On a serious note, are you a skeptic involving mental illness, a student of the field?

That wouldn’t be relevant to the discussion either. As you can see, the issue is more the ability to discuss a topic logically rather than the actual topic itself.

I was just curious is you had a fascination with the DSM. But ok.

Not really. Another user brought it up.

There’s a whole section in the dsm-5 on eating and feeding disorders

Again, that someone does something currently is wholly irrelevant to the question of whether that something *should* be done (fallacy of tradition).

Would should they be classified as?

Who says they have to be “classified” as anything?

Characterized. Mistype. Because that is what the question is asking.

Do you *think* and if not, what should it be?

I don’t really feel a need to characterize it as anything else.

What an odd conversation.

How will that help anorexia?

Anorexia is way less common than obesity. Also, Anorexia is a body image problem.

Agreed. There’s tons of fat people. Anorexia is way more complex than body image though.

So then you’re completely off topic, then? The question wasn’t about generalized bad eating habits...

Obesity isn't an eating disorder.

Transgenderism falls under gender dysphoria not body dysmorphia

Then they wouldn’t let fat people or skinny people own guns

They’re categorized under Feeding and Eating Disorders. Impulse Control is a separate category, including disorders such as Oppositional Defiant Disorder and Pyromania. A vastly different flavor of disorders, if you ask me.

Thanks

I disagree. You can't tell me that they can't determine what type of food and drink they buy at the grocery store. Eat a few bags of carrots instead of a few bags of potato chips, or drink a few glasses of water instead of a few Mountain Dew's.

Spirit, have you honestly never heard of anorexia?

You can't disagree with facts. You can ignore them though

Spirit, the question is not referring to unhealthy eating decisions. It’s talking about eating disorders.

Yeah, eating disorders, like obesity, is NOT a mental health issue.

APA, DSM5...

Obesity isn’t an eating disorder.

Both excessive and absent self control are mental illness though. Excessive is anorexia, orthorexia. Absent is bulimia, binging, with or without purging... and purging isn't just vomit but also overuse of laxatives. Unfortunately my sister has had anorexia almost 10 years now and we've done everything trying to keep her alive. Though she has anorexia, she also engages in purging after "eating for show".... I think it's weird that excessive self control basically becomes absent self control, like she literally can't stop freaking out about every single gram and calorie...

Anorexia must be more than "excessive self control".
Wouldn't that rather involve keeping your weight ramrod straight at an ideal level?

When you can’t stop eating it’s a disorder. A normal person stops eating when they’re full. That’s not self control. Your body tells you not to eat more through pain. Someone with a disorder eats despite this pain.

Especially morbid obesity, the kind that turns heads.
I don't see extreme obesity in people who appear to be over 70, they either have lost weight or are dead.

Self control isnt mental?

Nope.

Call it self control or disciple, either way , same principle

Whats your definition of mental moldy?

IMHO , Mental disorders are dimensia or autism. Not eating like a pig and barfing it up. That is just being a fat lazy pig then feeling bad about it. Like a buyers remorse situation. Have some self control.

Some Malnourished incredibly skinny bulimic people truly believe they're fat

Neurological disorders are not the same as mental illness.......

Moldy self control is "controlled" by the mind. Therefore having low impulse control can be a mental disorder...

Binge eaters have the same dopamine reactions in their brains as heroin addicts. It’s definitely both physiological and psychological and not a straight question of “self-control.”