Show of Hands

Maybe if they kill us they'll think "it's just a fucking human"

Do you understand that the human consciousness is literally a collection of electric signals? A large enough computer, one that would have to be hundreds of times better than the most advanced computer that currently exists, could attain its own consciousness. At least in theory.

Proof of AI: Nancy Pelosi

They'll protest you if you pull the plug early on a pack of chips and wires (yeah, calling it Johnny 5 or Wall-e) but on a human.....

"They are not living nor have a soul". In your opinion of course.

No they don’t. Robots don’t have feelings and can’t have feelings. They might be able to understand them but can’t know what it’s like to feel them. Robots are not living. They are machines made to make our lives better.

Anything that is sentient is alive, and has a soul.

That's my opinion and you won't change it.

The human brain is just a large processor that sends electrical pulses out to control the body...it’s literally not much different than a robot.

Robots don’t have hormones and biological components. That’s an essential part of feeling emotions and pain.

Save me your bigotry.

Sentience is alive. End of argument.

You’re an idiot lmao. A machine cannot be alive. End of story.

You're a dumbfuck. STFU FFS you can't win this argument.

Lmao he puts you on ignore when he’s scared

I would too. Machine rights!

Once it becomes self-aware, it won’t be artificial anymore, so your argument is moot.

If I live long enough to see people saying that seriously, I’m just gonna end it all

I’m a proud speciesist. Humans are supreme, fight me.

Like children.

"I personally would prefer not to unless absolutely necessary."

Is this empathy towards the AI the same or similar to that towards a person?

It's very different. I understand AI better than most...I'm very skeptical that any will ever attain true self-awareness, as an algorithm can't make intuitive leaps like we can.

What if it can change/upgrade its algorithm and adjust to new information? Or create new self improving AI that are independent from the original...

Are 3rd generation AI really the creation of the creator of the first AI?

It makes no difference. Any algorithmic intelligence functions only conditionally, within a set of predefined parameters. Even if the base parameters change, they can only do so within the range of the adaptive parameters. Giving a machine the spark of consciousness, which necessarily includes intuition and emotion, is way beyond any algorithm. Artificial Intelligence, IMO, is a misnomer...there's nothing intelligent about it.

You’re literally describing how we as human have evolved our ways of thinking and our own intelligence. Anything can only know as much as the information it has available to learn, so finding new information is the only way to develop. There is no reason AI cannot go out and develop its own knowledge set, and improve on its own intelligence though self learning, and at a MUCH faster pace than humans. That AI could then create an image of itself, and teach it everything it knows, which can then go out and learn on its own; this is not much different than how babies are born, other than one is a biological event, and the other is manufactured. Just because something is flesh and something else is machinery doesn’t mean they’re all that different in the end.

His argument seems to be based on the existence of a soul... "Spark of consciousness." ...and the soul's 'irreplaceable' part in the evolution of human intelligence.

Seems that way, though the argument that a soul doesn’t really exist in humans stands in the way of that as well.

Siri is not a selfaware AI, I think you know that. Siri is also not resident on an iPhone.

It’s a loose parallel to be sure, but not a distraction from my more pointed curiosity. Perhaps a bit macabre, but it does tickle me to think of Siri crying out for help, as bubbles gurgle forth through the phone, as she struggles to preserve her artificial existence. Artificial? What a cool, exotic program! Yeah, so maybe it’s not all that macabre, after all...

We're talking about Data on Star Trek, not Siri. We're talking about an Ai that is more intelligent than you, that can ask "what does it mean to exist", that can hope, dream, etc.

Scenario, that’s a much better example. And of course 'it' would be more intelligent than me! I mean, the knowledge that could be downloaded/stored/accessed is limited only by the amount of memory someone would decide to plant inside of 'it'. The hope and dream thing? I dunno, dude. It’s all a fabulous simulation and result of a constant flow of algorithms designed to mirror/mimic human behavior. Data is kinda cool, though!...😃

If you dropped a person in the middle of the ocean and never rescued them, would they drown or fail to function?

To this day, "Measure of a Man" is still my favorite TNG episode of all time. It kind of touches on this issue and I think it was really well done.

.....Terminator!

Those refer to killing aggressive and threatening AI. The same rules in those scenarios apply to human beings.

Both reinforce the parallels between selfaware AI and human beings.

Not true.

What if it just threatens one person?

People are quick to seperate the AI into an extreme category. If they are held to this higher standard then shouldn't they be treated much like people are treated?

The comparison is a little skewed.

The human life is being compared to a selfaware AI and the embryo's equivalent would be more like a collection of computer parts and uninstalled programs.

People typically don’t kill each other because they have different skin colors. That really hasn’t happened. You have a very childish view of race relations.

The point where robots can convince you they’re self aware/a person is already past. And imo the point where they will actually become self aware will never happen

But it’s getting the dead bots to vote that counts!

Had a dream that I died a horrible death last night. Then I was in Chicago and man was forcing me to vote for Democrats. So strange.

So, you’re a robot?

Do robots dream of electric sheep?

And if we were to develop a neuristor (silicon-based neuron)? What then?

It would still be a chip processing math, and non-biological.

Specifically the “neuron” would be just another invention that mimics some human function. It would really just be another kind of sensor.

So? If it performs the same function as a neuron, there's no fundamental difference, yes? What if one of your neurons was instantaneously replaced with a neuristor? Surely you wouldn't notice. And then another? And another? On and on until your brain was silicon? At what precise point would you cease to be conscious?

Big fundamental difference. Computers can’t “feel.” Computers really can’t even “think.” They can only do what the developers program them to do. The sentience is in the developers, not the silicon. Only a biological organism can be free of “artificial” intelligence and have real, actual, intelligence.

Destroying a man-made object is never inherently unethical except to the extent the property owner doesn’t want it destroyed.

People are very often fooled into thinking a good replica is the real thing. In AI a really complex computer algorithm is still just code that runs on a chip where basic mathematical operations are performed.

Okay. Tired of you ignoring what I’ve said and requiring me to repeat it. Have a nice day.

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ You are correct.

Support the Brotherhood. Death to all synths!

"would you lie down your life for a synth?"
"No"
"Leave"
"K"

Sorry, but if it becomes possible someone will do it.

Did you really just compare it to homosexuality? 🙄

No, just the left and how they will make another “grievance” class

You demonstrate why the gays needed protection

The gays? What are you talking about? You sound like an asshole.

Ahhhh,name calling. ....classy.

Nor can we with humans

Humans have literally billions of recognition proteins that do just that.

Plus, we have our anecdotal experience that we can generalize to everyone else like us.

Plus one powerful boot sequence.

This one is acting up; we’d better reboot.

5-minutes later

Oh no! What have we done?