Show of Hands

Then I don't want to hear any Trumplicans praise Reagan. EVER. Since you think Pastor Cheeto is better

Uhhhhh........no thanks I’d rather think for myself

Also who is “we”

Except empathy for the prisoners that keep miraculously getting released as a delayed reaction to Obama's policies.

Nacho do you believe in pizza gate

Do you beleive in election results?

Lolololololol
Apparently you believe this last debacle
I don’t like cheaters

Well as soon as any single lefty can show any cheating you can have at the ridiculous accusation - until then you educated, smart, brilliant, focused, organized and motivated lefties that had the "most qualified candidate in history" and still lost due you your collective lefty arrogance -. please try to stay focused on reality.

Appreciated you acknowledging my brilliance.... lol
November will bring sanity back to congress when democrats take many of the open seats as they have been doing in all the special elections since your boy won
At that point his lying, traitor butt will get impeached .... minimally...
Let’s talk again after the mid term elections

Sure and you will obviously come on and apologize for being wrong - again.
Go ahead and impeach Trump, President Pence won't reverse tax cuts, won't reinstate DACA, won't rejoin Paris or Iran deals, he won't return prisoners to North Korea, he won't increase black unemployment, he won't lower wages, he won't move the embassy back to Tel Aviv.
You lefties will be just as insane then as you are now and the rest of us will keep MAGA.

Pence has many problems of his own... Mueller has him in his sites
And... if you happen to be wrong I will be expecting your apology.... 😄

Sure when Trump gets impeached.

Sure Meuller has any Republican in his sights because we all know the only reason Hillary lost was because Russia bought Facebook ads.

The investigations won't stop until a Dem takes their rightful place as President and Russia gets fined for thier Facebook incursions but can keep the two countries they invaded while Obama was President.

So the country is doing good because he led us here. I bet he would thank you for acknowledging his accomplishments.

He definitely has accomplished much but he memorial day is to memorialize those we have lost, not himself.

Telling lies isn’t arguing. Being dishonest isn’t debate.

money.cnn.com/2018/01/22/news/economy/imf-trump-tax-cuts-global-economy/index.html

He said “show me how trump has helped the economy.”

vain

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vane*

Yes because the COUNTRY doing well is about him. And you wonder how he won the election

Because he's self centered. And the Trumplicans are drunk with power and feeding his ego

Thanks for acknowledging that Trump has led our country in this direction. I thought the tweet was about the country doing good.

Good point jlong

Yes - once again a very inconsiderate statement by a man with no perceivable soul.
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Exactly!

You want soul go to church.

If you want real soul go to Obama's church
"The chickens have come home to roost, not God bless America God damn
America," - the soul of Obama from the man that married the Obamas and they sat in his church for years (but they did not hear him say anything - they had headphones on apparently).

Nacho- let’s try and keep on topic and not to deflect to nonsense, we are talking about Trump’s speech yesterday, I know it is difficult to defend this immoral man, but deflecting will not change the facts.

What is immoral about saying the people that fought to make and keep America great would be proud of our country today?

The last thing we need is a morality speech from the left.

Nacho- I’m talking about Trump in general extremely immoral. And his speech was egotistical BS, and had hardly anything to do with our fallen soldiers.

What has the left so upset is that he is right.
They would be proud that hostages are coming home. without ransom payments, the military budget is increasing, he wants to bring troops home and he uses the forces of the US for overall good.

He did not pay lip service to the armed services members who died and then went and apologized. for perceived transgressions in war.

On the whole why would military members not be proud of today's environment?

Nacho, his speech was about him and his so called achievements, it wasn’t about our fallen, and that is what is wrong with him. If I had family who died from war, I would have been appalled.

There it is - Trump is extremely immoral thus any thing he does is immoral.

Egotistical is a Presidential requirement rement as the Messiah said "I am better speech writer than my speech writers, know more about policy than my policy people and am a better campaign manager than my campaign manager".

Hit Trump on being brash, uncouth, reactionary insensitive but don't fault him for being as egotistical as Obama.
If you lefties would stay on point you may have better arguments but you always veer right into faulting Trump for traits that were celebrated about Obama and that short sightedness makes it too easy to pick apart you arguments.

Now if you could ever admit Obama was as egotistical, self serving, lying, deceptive and self centered as Trump is we can debate, but until then - it is pointless.

"If I had family I would have been appalled".
So you are not actually appalled you "would have been appalled".

Trump is awful because I would have been appalled if something he said would have had anything to do with me.
Put this one in the books under TDS.

ODS

It is called reality.
If you lefties would stop excoriating Trump for the same things Obama did we would not have to point out your hypocrisy and never have to mention his name again.
Lots of stuff to pick on Trump about but you lefties keep going after him on stuff that Obama did and thus you lose any standing.

Get fresh material or think about the boomerang affect before you attack - it would be much easier for you.

I would say the exact same things about your side! Bingo

We are excoriating Trump about the same things Obama did?
You are making the comparison.
I am pointing out the hypocrisy.
I don't praise Trump for things I excoriated Obama for doing.
I don't praise Trump for pardoning traitors, lying about red lines and healthcare. I don't praise Trump for illegal executive actions regarding immigration or for losing 9-0 at SCOTUS.

I do blame Trump for being immature, reactionary, uncouth, vulgar and lying about insignificant things.

What did you blame Obama for - not being great enough?
The same side argument does not work with lefties when I recognize the Emperor has no clothes and you spent 8 years believing the Emperors clothes were fabulous - just fabulous.

Oh yeah, you guys are never hypocrites, especially when Presidents play golf.

Nice try.
I don't care who plays golf and did not under Obama Bush or Trump.

I am trying to help lefties so it is more challenging to debate.
Try not to be hypocrites about everything, try to stick to facts because if not it always come back to boomerang on you.

Using pictures of illegal immigrant children in fenced in enclosures to demonstrate the cruelty of Trump is the latest idiotic move - the pictures were from the Obama adminstration - now go ahead and argue there is no media bias.
Monty Python could learn lots from lefties.

😂🤣. @zimmy ... you aren’t supposed to remember that Trump said he wouldn’t be playing golf as much as Obama!
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I know! 😱😱😱

Just another campaign falsehood from Trump. It was among many in the campaign - on both sides.

See that's what it is like when you can actually admit fault in a politician you support.
It is liberating which allows you to debate without trying to defend for the sake of defending a "legacy", a "cause" or the indedensible.

It also allows for you to see the rank hypocrisy, fake news and "stupidity of the American people" that the last admisntration admittedly relied on.

Nacho- and this one does as well

Only one adminstration claimed to rely on stupid Americans and it is not this one.
How many journalists were fired or reassigned after writing fake stories about Obama? The same amount of FBI agents reassigned due to discussing an "insurance policy" against Obama reflection.
Fake news, bureacratic collusion and relying on stupidity - today's left.

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OMG Nacho! Please tell me you don’t really believe that?

Ben Rhodes got caught saying something stupid although many belive it was a Freudian slip. I have yet to hear a Trump official say they rely on stupid Americans. You can't change facts. The smooth, couth, well spoken Rhodes slipped up - they were human.

There are constant retractions or corrections about Trump including the recent photo of the kids in cages. The only retractions about Obama were the stupid birther ones outside the mainstream.

You can't possibly argue that Trump gets the same treatment or benefit of doubt that Obama got - the media is part of an active and organized resistance - so be it, no matter, every human has bias, but let's not pretend it does not exist.

Oh please! You guys were so much worse to Obama! Calling him unAmerican, unchristian, Muslim, and yes birtherism, which Trump was the head! Talking about his golf games, and the horrible things about Michelle! Come on! Don’t be a hypocrite!

Trump has shown he is not worthy of the benefit of doubt about anything because he lies so much.
A while back I read somewhere that Trump lies, on average, 33 times a day. I have no idea of the veracity of that claim, but most certainly he has a need to lie every day just to keep up appearances with his base since they would not recognize the truth if it jumped up and bit them.
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Please show me one mainstream outlet that did any of that. Contrast that to now.
The difference is the anti Obama morons touting that stuff were on the fringe not the mainstream.
No one called for impeachment before he was elected, no one applauded his beheading, no one boycotted the inaugural, no riots occurred, no property destroyed, no public spaces "occupied" and no bureacratic resistance.

It's okay, Trump succeeds despite the resistance because it is bwrfot of ideas and headed by the Keystone Cops and the Three Stooges.

We can go over and over lying by Presidents if you would like.
Obama lied on a daily basis about Healthcare and when finally faced with irrefutable evidence of his consistent lying he said we "misheard him".
Trump tells little white lies all the time and he should be called out on them - if only lying was not so common and eagerly accepted by the last two Democratic Presidents maybe the culture would look upon it differently.

As it is, the last two highly regarded and venerated Dem Presidents were confirmed public liars - one was impeached for lying and the other won lie of the year so if you are searching for the root cause....

Like I say - the lefty boomerang hits hard when it hits.

Strange world you live in. Does the clock chime 13 too?

So the boomerang hit hard I guess.

Let's do a fact check.
President Clinton - impeached for lying.
Presidemt Obama - winner. of "lie of the year".

The last two venerated and well respected Dem Presidents are confirmed public liars.

Facts are facts.
Thirteen o'clock for lefties indeed.

Perhaps you remember that the tax cuts wee only for th rich until they were not when the fact checkers finally did thier job but the lefty lie persists and is still circulated so calm down about Trump supporters not recognizing the truth.

He lies, Obama lied etc.
What bugs you is he lies and we all know it and he does not care.
Obama's lies were covered up and promoted until it could not possibly be covered up anymore and the truth was begrudgingly admitted.
Trump is worse - absolutely. Obama was a liar - absolutely.

Trump still lies more, like everyday, plus he was part of the birther movement which was nothing but a racist lie itself. Trump is king of lying!

Yes Trump lies more.
Get used to it.
It was not automatically racist to question the Obama birth stuff because of the complicated circumstances in multiple areas of his upbringing.
Different names, countries, parental caretakers etc. Ot does mean it is racist any more than hating Ivanka and her husband is racist against Jews.

When 98% of blacks vote for a candidate based on race that means they voted based on race (the definition of racist) but no one suggests they were racist.
You can't have it both ways. If whites are racist for voting against a black man are blacks racist for voting against a white man?

Blacks vote overwhelmingly democrat to begin with. Minorities would be more inclined to vote for a familiar face. It’s not racist to support someone like you when everyone in power looks like the majority. Especially against republicans who openly campaign as the party of white males. Democrats at least pretend to care about minorities and women.

Last statement well put.

However if people are more inclined to vote for those that look like them is that not an excuse for whites voting for whites or females.etc. and not indicative if racism or sexism?

The false racist Trump conundrum for the left is that some of the same voters who elected Trump also voted for Obama.

Were they racist then or just racist now? Or were they sexist voters for Obama?

A political strategy of divide and conquer only works to a point.

Yeah, action speaks louder than speech. The country was in a very wrong direction.

The left loved listening to poetry as they drove in the ditch.
They hate the sound of the machinery digging out of the ditch.
The prefer ditches that sound good.

As much as I hated him, Reagan was a good speaker.

I hope you’re consistent and never say “Happy Valentine’s Day” either...

Right. Valentine's day to me is like Columbus Day or St. Patrick's day, just another day. Memorial day, however, is legit and a somber day of remembrance.

Ironic

All Presidents talk about themselves all the time and are narccisists.
Obama set multiple world records for using the word "me" in speeches multiple times.
It was all about him just like Trump but Obama was more subtle and the press was too busy wiping themsleves dry (their eyes and their pant legs) after every speech to analyze his narrccissim.

Where do you get your information that Obama set records and who possibly keeps up with when presidents say me? No one is that bored to do such a dumb thing.

You do get sarcasm don't you?
However there are plenty of speech monitoring sites that will show you what his favorite words were and that is "me" or some configuration of it.
No surprise though, he "wrote" two autobiographies before he was forty - that's a lot of celebrating "me".

Ok before if you are trying to support your claim that he set records by saying there are speech monitoring sites then you weren’t being sarcastic. And if writing books makes you are narcissist then God must be the biggest one.

There are speech sites that monitor them and the record is "unofficial" as no thought anyone would refer to themselves so much while accomplishing so. little - does that help you comprehend.

I was not aware that God wrote a book, others wrote a book about him, but it is telling that you compare God and Obama.
That explains everything.

Nacho, at the end of the day, this isn’t about a comparison of Trump and Obama, or the current state of the country.

Memorial Day is a day set aside to honor those who have fallen in standing for what is right. It is to remember those who liberated, those who served their country with pride and duty.

It isn’t about the current state of the country.

It isn’t about what those fallen would think of the country today.

It is about remembering and honoring those veterans and soldiers who have passed on, and the heroic sacrifices they made to fight for their country and for what is right.

Trump did not highlight this in his tweet.

I’m not saying that Obama is like God, I’m saying that they both had people write books about them and have contributed to the books themselves. You’re really stretching my words to fit your opinion

So it is the tweet that is upsetting not the major national speech at Arlington.
A speech where he honored the memory of the fallen appropriately.

So the left is triggered by a tweet - again.
If you don't like him and have a fear getting triggered stop following him.
But lefties cant do that and instead sued to ensure they keep getting triggered.
Monty Python could not have wrote a better sketch.

Obama wrote two auto biographies - books by him about him.
God wrote zero auto-biographies.
You are the one making the comparison and it is telling your natural first instinct in Obama comparison was God. A lefty Freudian slip.

God believe it or not, can’t write books himself so he had people do it for him so it was basically an autobiography but that’s clearly not the point. I don’t know why you still care so much about Obama when he isn’t even president anymore, compare Obama’s posts on Memorial Day when he was president to Trump’s tweet and you tell me who is more about themselves.

? Triggered?

Responding and being triggered are not the same thing.

I understand the speech at Arlington was solemn and reverent.

But one does not say “Happy Memorial Day.”

Using a day of remembrance as a tool to justify any sort of politics, whether liberal or conservative, is despicable and disrespectful.

And he went there. Regardless of what he said at Arlington, he still was irreverent in his tweet.

I don’t care he was reverent at Arlington. It’s an expectation that the President is in his formal address.

But being irreverent is and should always be unacceptable.

I don't expect any couth from him so why should you?
Would it make a difference in your opinion?
Do you think less of him?
Is that possible?

He could have and should have just said nothing but its not him.
Obama was a great orator and a feel good classy guy - his policies stunk.
Do I wish Trump spoke and carried himself like Obama a little more - sure - would I trade any policy - not a chance.
I will take the pig dressed a as a pig, you can have the pig dressed as a prince.

True, you’re right.

I honestly wouldn’t expect something like that from him.

I’m dismayed that we’ve become desensitized to stuff like this: rhetoric that I hope none of us would ever say...but you’re absolutely right nacho, we can’t expect him to act like someone who he isn’t.

To expect someone to conform to the job when he got the job by being non conforming is not being realistic.
By setting an impossible standard - opponents can always complain about his lack of conformity to norms which is exactly why he got elected - he won't conform to them.

It is only one of the logical circular firing squads lefties twist themsleves into due to their hatred of Trump.

I personally dislike him because I disagree with his policies and his moral character.

I agree that a lot of people on the left hate him for reasons that might be/are irrational, but the same could be said for some right-wingers and Obama.

That’s why I try to stick to debating policies rather than people, it takes a large, subjective, illogical, and irrelevant chunk out of debates.

Agreed totally.
When policy debates go sideways it is because of discussion of personality.

I bait and take the bait so I am not without guilt but I try to argue policy as much as possible as I belive that is the strength, certainly not Trumps personality.

Absolutely.

And I mean, we all make emotional arguments and take moral and subjective routes, it’s what makes us human.

But I agree in that policy discussion needs to return more so to the pragmatic arena rather than be split by the partisan and ideological divides.

He’s even worse than that. He has NPD.

Honor* wow

Memorial Day is for all US soldiers throughout history. I agree with you that virtually all US conflict after WW2 was not done in the name of freedom. But up until then, America fought for freedom. I will honor those who did.

Aside from World War Two (which I exclude because I'm not willing to put in so much effort to explain how it wasn't about democracy vs tyranny), provide an example of one war where the US fought for freedom.

No kidding!

They should rename the app to “Show Of Ass” cause they’re doing that right now.

Very biased questions tonight. The Memorial Day one trying to skewer Trump was disgusting.

SOA HQ is butthurt. So much President Trump winning‼️

Oh, this is that one! I can’t see the question on iPad. The other anti-American one was saying the Cold War wasn’t won by the US, but instead was the Soviets self destructing.

Except what he said was pretty bad. You don’t honor vets by honoring yourself.

How is asking if a quote is appropriate or not biased?

What he said wasn’t bad, it was the truth. The constant harping , picking apart every word, is extreme bias. And it comes across as petty. If this is your charge against Trump, you’ve got nothing.

Truth always hurts the butthurt.

Show me how trump impacted the economy or unemployment rates (since that was the rest of the tweet). It was the most tone deaf thing he could have said for Memorial Day.

The SOH hq asked 2 questions using the same anti-Trump article. Bezos must be leaking through the main polls

For the blind.

money.cnn.com/2018/01/22/news/economy/imf-trump-tax-cuts-global-economy/index.html

Look at how the economy was doing during Obama. Then look during trump. There is no change in the increase. How come he was bragging about the economy before his tax plan passed? The president does not do anything for the economy.

And when our economy implodes because of the tax plan you’ll know what happened.

The article says what it says. It’s more credible than you.

So..........butthurt questions from SOH. Yeah .................so typical.

Awww. Now the IMF chief economist doesn’t know anything, but soh user Stein does. The sky is gonna fall.

Now tell us how the Russians are gonna invade.

Next it’ll be name calling.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/robertlenzner/2017/11/28/dont-count-on-substantial-economic-growth-from-trump-tax-bill/amp/ I didn’t need 4 posts not to get my point across. You called me blind so there’s the name calling. If you read your article, you’d see that it said roughly half of .2% of growth was attributable to the tax cut. If you’re cool with a massive tax cut raising our deficit and subsequently our debt for that growth then good for you but I’m not. Especially when it could have disastrous effects later.

I’m good with it. MAGA.

Hahahahaha. Ignorance! MAGA. Durpa. No argument so MAGA. How does that feel, to lose an argument and stand by your point as though nothing happened. You’re the problem with this country. Facts are malleable and conspiracy is truth. Trump promulgates crap and you eat it and take it as fact because the president said it so it must be true. It takes work to undo that damage by finding actual indisputable facts but by then the damage is done.

You tell lies. .2 over a previous forecast which was already elevated above what the Obama economy was doing. Why tell lies?

“The International Monetary Fund said Monday that it expects global growth of 3.9% this year and in 2019, an increase of 0.2 percentage points over the rates it predicted in October. It would be the quickest expansion since 2011.”

When you tell lies then you lose all credibility.

“The IMF expects the U.S. economy to grow by 2.7% in 2018, significantly faster than its earlier prediction of 2.3%. Growth will slow to 2.5% in 2019, but that's still much faster than the IMF's previous forecast of 1.9%.”

And the tax cut accounts for half of .2

And it’s about growth of growth not just growth. Rate of change of the growth is a good determinant of health.

So at first you deny he has had an impact, then you downplay it and lie about what the article says, all because you don’t like President Trump. Not very honest.

I doubt it. I also doubt he gave a million to the Houston Hurricane victims as he promised .

Correct. I saw a stat a week ago about saying on one of the networks I forget if it was cnn or nbc or abc , but it was for every good story about trump then run forty negative ones. Now that is bias.

The bias level is insane...unacceptable really. You expect some spin, but I watch them lie constantly. It’s truly atrocious.

As you’ve described it, that in and of itself is not bias.

Good point. It’s more than just bias in too many cases nowadays.

And what’s probably worse is all the stuff they’re not reporting or that they gloss over very quickly so they can get back to talking with a porn star’s lawyer or some other ridiculous story they deem “newsworthy.”

How about Harvey Weinstein, or Adolph Hitler? Is the media biased against them? Or are they just despicable people?
Trump is not in a youth soccer league. He’s not going to get unwarranted praise. As President he’s under a microscope. If a reporter goes in with a predetermined narrative, then Trump does/says things that prop up that narrative it’s his own fault.

90%+/- negative coverage and the sheer number of outright false stories over the last couple of years go so far beyond the realm of acceptable, it’s not even funny.

And it was just as unacceptable for the newscasters to go in with a predetermined narrative for Obama and totally forget to ask h8m challenging questions or scrutinize him at all.

In other words, this is not a new problem. It’s been very bad, unacceptably bad, for at least a decade. It’s just gotten worse year on year. As a society, we can’t afford to have almost all journalists (and teachers and entertainers) be on one side of the political aisle and report based on their beliefs, which is exactly what’s happening right now. A single narrative with little to no challenge to that narrative is very dangerous for the whole country.

Or that he really is actually that bad, or at least that far from a low bar of basic decorum we expect from our elected officials, let alone from our president.

Ethical journalism that is not always correct or only has limited information is not the same as a lying when the truth is widely known. It is this latter realm where the current president often lives. It is objectively dangerous to the office he holds and those who will hold it afterwards.

Yeah just because there are negative stories it does not show bias. Stop bitching you little fruity triggered bitches.

What is dangerous to the office he holds? The brainwashing of the public by the media? Yes, I agree that’s very dangerous indeed. A couple of you here are perfect examples of this. Your bias is so incredibly strong, you have been so incredibly brainwashed, that you can’t even see what’s wrong with the media, and I pity you and I worry for our nation. An ignorant society is a dangerous society and our media is insuring the majority of our country remain ignorant.

demise of the media:

www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/liberals-have-to-avoid-trump-derangement-syndrome/2017/04/13/81ff4a7a-2083-11e7-a0a7-8b2a45e3dc84_story.html?utm_term=.c2426a8e5092

imprimis.hillsdale.edu/2016-election-demise-journalistic-standards/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=stripes&utm_content=06232017

beta.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-raimondo-trump-derangement-syndrome-20161226-story.html

www.businessinsider.com/proof-of-liberal-bias-in-hollywood-media-and-academia-2014-11

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4JC. You’re respectful so I apologize for my language but posting opinion pieces to defend your point does not make a point.

I think it does make a point when two of the authors are liberal journalists and one of them was treated horribly when he said one thing positive about Trump—and that was just that Trump did the same thing that Obama would have done!

The articles speak for themselves. I don’t HAVE to make a point.

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Has he always been respectful though?

Yes, his respect of the military is a breath of fresh air.

I recall him going after gold star family members and McCain

Yes he did something that wasn’t dumb. He went to the tomb of the unknown soldier and said respectful things. But he was on twitter being disrespectful completely. So it doesn’t absolve him. Every president has managed to get by Memorial Day without making an absolute fool out of himself.

What he said wasn’t wrong. You just can’t stand him. That’s your problem. He spoke the truth.

You can be right while being completely disrespectful

I didn’t say it was wrong. It’s just disrespectful at a high level. Also, for the millionth time, point to one thing he did to push the economy in this direction.