Show of HandsShow of Hands

ExistentialNed May 28th, 2018 6:49pm

Was the United Kingdom justified in voting to leave the European Union?

8 Liked

Comments: Add Comment

lcamino Florida
05/28/18 9:11 pm

Definitely!

Reply
Malekithe
05/28/18 4:42 pm

Of course

Reply
DoctorWasdarb Marxist Leninist Maoist
05/28/18 1:38 pm

I think Europeans in general are justified in not supporting the EU. Opposition to neoliberalism is not tolerated. Neoliberalism is destroying the economies of Southern Europe, and it's not doing anything for the French or really anyone. So yeah, on that side, the British were justified in not liking the EU. That being said, Britain is a more privileged nation, along with Germany and France, in the EU. The rest of Europe is being exploited by German expansion once again, but this time it's in the name of freedom and democracy. So the British did have more privileges in than out.

That being said, the biggest problem is that the leave campaign was mostly led by the racist right, so leaving was basically just to hurt immigrants and not to oppose neoliberalism. For that reason, nothing is going to change. The British can kick out all the immigrants they want. If they keep neoliberalism, their problems won't go away, especially if they continue to negotiate de facto membership, anyway.

Reply
ExistentialNed
05/28/18 4:27 pm

The term “neoliberal” can have a few different meanings in this context. Are you referring to laissez-faire capitalism, conservatism, or are you referring to democracy in general?

DoctorWasdarb Marxist Leninist Maoist
05/28/18 7:36 pm

I'm referring to the ideology of laissez-faire capitalism cloaked in the disguise of a shallow form of democracy as the ideology of contemporary globalization. I think no matter the definition, the EU corresponds quite perfectly to neoliberalism.

ExistentialNed
05/28/18 7:39 pm

Do you believe that the EU could reform its policies in order to become less neoliberal?

DoctorWasdarb Marxist Leninist Maoist
05/28/18 7:47 pm

I'm skeptical. Firstly, there's no political will to do so, and if any one member state opposed neoliberalism, it would be opposed by the supranational institutions, before it could align itself with other states which question neoliberalism.

If a member state wants to break away from neoliberalism, it would likely have to break away, find new allies, and create a new European union. But for the moment, the political will doesn't exist.

The ruling classes really don't like right-wing Eurosceptics who oppose the continental migration policies. Imagine how much more the ruling classes must despise left-wing Eurosceptics who oppose neoliberalism in its entirety? That would be a real threat. So in the name of freedom and democracy Euroscepticism and anti-capitalist activism is strongly repressed. I'm in France. The anger is in the air. A repeat of May 68 is not far off...