Does this country need to have more conversations about sexual consent?
No - families need to teach respect.
Stop expecting the government or the schools to do the instruction that parents should do.
Yes. One of which should entail that you can’t withdraw consent the day after because you feel bad about it.
Evidently, because people don't seem to get it.
Sexual consent is a difficult subject. You’re in a club start dancing with a girl, the dance is provocative, her attire is mini-skirt comando style. She’s rubbing on you and she feels the arousal but continues her provocative ways. You then touch her and she gets offended and claims sexual assault. Is she partially at fault?
No, you ask for consent. It's quite simple.
I’m sure she didn’t need to ask for consent to touch the guy though
She should. But usually the guys don't care, and they push it farther in the opposite direction than the woman would like.
If she didn’t ask for consent beforehand then proceeds to escalate the situation, then how is she not partially liable for future actions taken? It seems like both their faults tbh.
It's the girls fault for leading the guy on.
It's the guy's fault for not asking for consent. This is easy, folks.
She initiated it by rubbing on the guy. She didn't ask for consent.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because someone else makes a mistake doesn't give you the right to pursue further sexual contact without consent. It's not hard to ask.
It's like putting your hand on a stove and expecting not to get burned. It ain't the stoves fault you turned it on and touched it.
Except a stove doesn't have agency. An individual does, and an individual can control their actions. Are men really such brutes that they can't use critical thinking when approached by a woman? Come on.
It's basic social competence. You're at a club to have fun, usually to get wasted, laid or both. Applies to both genders. If some random girl starts grinding on you then she is sending signals for option 2. If it was anywhere else I would probably agree with you but given the circumstances and environment it's the girls fault for being socially inept.
Basic social competence, how about taking responsibility and uttering a few simple words to ask for consent.
It's like punching someone and not expecting to get punched back. There are so many good analogies for this. It's totally the girl's fault. She also insane for doing what she did on a probably intoxicated man and expecting him to react differently.
DoctorWasdarb, looks like you have double standards, it’s ok because men push it farther? Are you kidding me? How about the woman who provocatively went comando style to a club knowing it’s a place where alcohol would be involved. I believe she is as equally at fault for putting herself in that situation. She invited the man the moment she didn’t stop when she knew she was leading him on.
Going to a club means you want to have fun, dance, laugh, listen to music,.... It does not mean you want sex.
Also, just because you are aroused and want “it” doesn’t mean she is or does.
Y’all mind if I turn that question into a poll
Not at all
The girl was there for sex Marty. Why else would she start grinding on random guys? Here's an idea. If you don't want to be touched by random guys at clubs, don't grind on them.
If you're so sure she's there for sex, then you shouldn't be afraid of asking for consent, since you already know the answer. Unless you're not so sure and you're afraid of a no, in which case you should ask.