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AmazingAtheist Imagine Theres No Heaven
03/26/13 4:47 am

Show me one piece of scientific proof that supports an afterlife... Also, you can't prove I can't fly so now I can fly. SUCK IT!

EarlyBird Portland
03/25/13 7:19 am

Yes peeps, I'm afraid it's the end.
For those of you who feel differently, it's ok by me. I would never hate on people for their beliefs.

Quinnipiac Here
03/24/13 4:42 pm

Likely the end unless there's some quantum entanglement with another universe or something beyond the current understanding of physics.

TreeMan
03/23/13 9:55 pm

I belive your stable counciousness takes form of atoms and roams the multiversed god/s i spit at u!

xana452
03/23/13 1:33 pm

notice how Vermont is the only one saying "yes". seems they're the only realistic ones.

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wolfman4711
03/24/13 8:59 am

Can we please just being assholes to one another and respect everyone's beliefs.

Epochrates Texas
03/22/13 2:02 pm

heaven is not the only alternative to an end. Just because we are not living breathing people anymore doesn't mean theres nothing. The only thing that doesn't exist is nothing.

propain
03/22/13 12:49 pm

Lol people on this app are so funny ... God is just a story like Santa, we use the bible for stuff we don't have the answers to but that doesn't make the stuff true.

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blastmemer
03/22/13 9:16 am

We don't have bodies. We are bodies.

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ukwildcat15
03/22/13 12:46 am

One cannot prove that there isn't a heaven or a hell. It is all about what one believes. If you believe it, it is true to your soul and to your consciousness and no one else's. My opinion about the existence of life after death applies to no one but myself.

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blastmemer
03/22/13 9:01 am

There is no such thing as subjective truth, at least as to actual facts, such as whether death is the end (as opposed to true opinions, such as Justin Timberlake is sexy). Whether death is the end is either true or it isn't. Belief doesn't make anything more or less true. Only in fairy tales.

sarabrawren
03/21/13 1:19 pm

Its not the end of the world but its the end of the lufe of your brain. Theres no such thing as magic (souls/god/ghosts/ et cetera) but your actions will cause ripples long after you die. Youll just have no idea, exactly like before you were born.

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IceWoman New York
03/21/13 6:07 am

I don't necessarily believe in heaven and hell but I certainly believe in ghosts!

viperx77
03/22/13 4:17 pm

that is not congruent.

Wozneighak
03/22/13 6:12 pm

*you

Stop being willfully ignorant.

funkytownchic Fort Worth
03/20/13 5:27 am

I don't know. Simple as that.

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Virv
03/20/13 12:59 am

This is a silly question. No one has any idea. Since the information isn't available, ill go with no until shown otherwise.

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dae5dia
03/19/13 5:40 pm

Maybe reincarnation. But no. It's the end. You're dead just like any other animal.

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fluxmoid
03/19/13 3:43 pm

Could God create a stone so big that he couldn't lift it?

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kdbc27
03/19/13 7:25 pm

God can do anything that is logically possible.

fluxmoid
03/20/13 2:49 pm

So God can't do things that are logically impossible? That would imply lack of omnipotence or limitations on powers.

kdbc27
03/20/13 5:25 pm

It does not show a lack of omnipotence. It shows a lack of common sense from the person that asked the question.

niteowl Hold Fast
03/20/13 8:52 pm

I read an article where the author asked a child this question.

"What he said was that God would have the power to be able to allow himself to be weak, so that by not lifting the stone, it was not that he was not capable of doing so. (cont.)

niteowl Hold Fast
03/20/13 8:52 pm

(cont.)He would be simultaneously capable and unable to lift the stone by exercising his power to make himself weak."

fluxmoid
03/20/13 10:15 pm

I'm sure that asking a question that renown philosophers have debated for centuries shows a lack of common sense on my part. Way to show your ignorance, fool.

cornybread The Large Malus Fruit
03/19/13 8:51 am

I like to think that whatever happens after death is just too big for the human mind to comprehend, which is why we don't know and never will. I guess we'll just have to find out when the time comes, right?

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ejdunn1@verizon.net
03/21/13 6:40 am

"For God so loved the world, that He ave His One and Only Son, that whosoever believes in Him, shall not perish, but have everlasting life." "The Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world." Will you have Christ?

ejdunn1@verizon.net
03/21/13 6:40 am

"For God so loved the world, that He ave His One and Only Son, that whosoever believes in Him, shall not perish, but have everlasting life." "The Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world." Will you have Christ?

skinner Wisconsin
03/19/13 5:17 am

Death seems illogical to me, how could someone go from something to nothing? I believe In reincarnation, it's the only theory that sort of makes sense.

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ScrewU Gone
03/20/13 6:52 am

Here's hoping you come back as a cow then.

sarabrawren
03/21/13 1:21 pm

How does the fact that who "you are" is the neural connections formed in your brain as a result of your unique experiences not make sence? Brain dies, the information that is you is gone. Death. Makes perfect sence.

skinner Wisconsin
03/21/13 2:29 pm

Well no but the idea that all of a sudden that information is lost and that your mind goes black, or not really black, I mean what does nothing look like? Nothing is as impossible as god.

ishady 86451132020
03/19/13 4:56 am

Humans are born basically because two humans had sex. There is no special purpose or big plan for you. The universe doesn't care if your a murderous dictator or a pope. Your born , you live , you die. Time moves on till the universe grows cold and all life ceases. It's nihilistic but its also true.

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ejdunn1@verizon.net
03/21/13 6:34 am

Are you absolutely sure? God has never whispered in your conscience even a little, what is right and what is wrong? My worldview is that He does...and we tend to chose the wrong thing. Our souls need a new birth, wherein we are forgiven because another, a perfect man, suffered infinitely, for us

ishady 86451132020
03/21/13 12:05 pm

Look man it's a nice story. But it's not something you want to base your whole life on. It's an addiction which I understand believe me. But you need to let that stuff have a more traditional role in your life. Not an all encompassing , interfering one. Don't worship anything, just live and love.

arborfamilia on top of the hill
03/18/13 10:17 pm

Groucho Marx - "Life is a whim of several billion cells to be you for a while"

... And then they are off, to go be something else for a bit.

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GoldenRay On SSBB
03/19/13 7:59 am

Literally yes, but that doesn't prove it has no further meaning.

ScrewU Gone
03/20/13 6:53 am

Who knew Groucho was so deep?

arborfamilia on top of the hill
03/20/13 11:19 am

@IcePrince the question wasn't about meaning, but even so, it makes me sad that you see no meaning in the cooperation of several billion cells for a temporary moment in time. Don't care if you think a God directed it, or Nature evolved it, either way it's pretty damned magical.

pinballxpert
03/18/13 7:50 pm

All energy is neither created nor destroyed, simply transferred.

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fpere035
03/18/13 9:05 pm

You have a great point. We become fossil fuels:)

kdbc27
03/20/13 5:28 pm

Yeah...... Transferred from usable energy to unusable energy.

Arnae9
03/18/13 5:27 pm

I hope there is something else, some other plain of existence, but it is unlikely. However, just because its more then likely not true doesn't mean I will stop being a "good" person. It's the only thing that sets us apart from most animals. It took a long time evolutionary speaking to get here.

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sarabrawren
03/21/13 1:24 pm

Being moral does not set us apart from all animals. It not us and them. We are animals. Every single hunan emotion/behavior is also found in the animal kingdom. Dolphins name eachother, elephants mourn eachother, even cuddlefish have language. We as a species need to quit sniffing our own farts.

SleazySally
03/18/13 1:52 pm

They say its not over till the fat lady sings, so unless there is a fat lady singing when you get to the light at the end of the tunnel!!!

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Rocker saved by grace
03/18/13 1:38 pm

It's only the beginning

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laliberal Baton Rouge, LA
03/18/13 1:30 pm

I think people WANT their to be an afterlife because they're scared but the circle of life is sadly, birth, life and death. I saw a commercial the other day and the boy asked his grandad "where do we go when we die?" "In the ground." Lol it's true.

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Rocker saved by grace
03/18/13 1:39 pm

So people try to be "good" and achieve "great" things all for nothing?

laliberal Baton Rouge, LA
03/18/13 2:26 pm

They do because we have laws on many of these things. It's apples to oranges. You don't need religion to be a good person. That's ludicrous.

ayeyguy Arizona
03/18/13 2:44 pm

They do good things "because we have laws on these things"?
Classic example of a liberal who replaces God with the state. God isn't the law-giver, the state is; and it is sublime!
We don't need a silly God to be moral, but we sure as hell need Big Brother!

Rocker saved by grace
03/18/13 2:54 pm

What?! "You don't need God to be a good person."? Where the heck does "good" come from then? You are saying that "good" is relative and what is right to one person, may not be right to another. You are saying that there isn't absolute right and wrong.

thebarr
03/18/13 3:02 pm

Without absolute right and wrong there are no good people because there is no "good" period. This is so painfully obvious and yet it keeps coming up again and again.

scottstots Georgia
03/18/13 3:08 pm

Good, bad, moral, immoral, ethical, unethical are all human constructs. They don't exist anywhere else in nature and they certainly don't come from any omnipotent sky daddy.

Rocker saved by grace
03/18/13 3:13 pm

So what you are saying is, Adam Lanza's shootings for example, is not wrong, it's just our opinion?

thebarr
03/18/13 3:18 pm

Scotts: If morality is just opinion, then it's meaningless from a prescriptive standpoint. As Rocker just demonstrated with his example.
So you've proven my point: Without an external reference (call it "God" or whatever) then there is no "good" and therefore no good people.

scottstots Georgia
03/18/13 3:36 pm

It was wrong based on the fact that he took away other people's right to live not an ancient book

scottstots Georgia
03/18/13 3:38 pm

That example proves nothing. Bad, immoral, unethical things are the ones that hurt other people, not according to your vision of an omnipotent god.

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 3:40 pm

You're wrong that its only a human construct. Studies show that animals understand as well. That's why some warn their mates/pack or whatever when danger is around. Self-preservation would have them hide and be silent.

laliberal Baton Rouge, LA
03/18/13 3:41 pm

Hahaha tell these religious nuts Scott!!

thebarr
03/18/13 3:42 pm

Scott: Do where do you get the idea that hurting people is wrong? Lots of other people and cultures disagree with you. Can you prove them wrong? Demonstrate your morality in a lab?

scottstots Georgia
03/18/13 3:43 pm

And certainly all of these things that are judged to be bad, immoral and unethical are circumstantial. Otherwise, we would not punish killing by killing. Many Christians have divorced and remarried which Jesus said was adultery. Times, cultures change and morality changes too

Rocker saved by grace
03/18/13 3:45 pm

I haven't heard of two male animals ever mating. Only in humans. So Scott, you do agree there is a right and a wrong? You said it is "wrong, he took away their right to live." What determines right and wrong in your mind?

scottstots Georgia
03/18/13 3:45 pm

Preservation of your species is morality.

scottstots Georgia
03/18/13 3:47 pm

What determines right and wrong is your action's effect on other people

laliberal Baton Rouge, LA
03/18/13 3:47 pm

Rocker homosexuality has occured in nature. Look it up.

scottstots Georgia
03/18/13 3:48 pm

Two human males cannot mate either

Rocker saved by grace
03/18/13 3:49 pm

God has feeling also Scott. He cares for us as a Father for a child. Have you not heard the two commandments by which we (Christians) are supposed to live?

scottstots Georgia
03/18/13 3:53 pm

Yes I'm familiar with gods commandments. I don't disagree with all of them, but I believe they're all made up by humans

laliberal Baton Rouge, LA
03/18/13 3:54 pm

We? I am not Christian. I do not live by your laws. I live by society's laws.

thebarr
03/18/13 3:54 pm

Scotts: What makes "Preservation of species" and "actions effect on others" moral truths? None of these can be scientifically demonstrated, and seem equally open to criticism as the idea of God which you so abhor. The concept of "good" is not and never will be a scientific one.

Rocker saved by grace
03/18/13 3:58 pm

Scott: the Bible is the inspired word of God, written down by humans. Please note that we didn't create it.

laliberal Baton Rouge, LA
03/18/13 4:00 pm

Rocker please do t embarrass yourself. www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx

Over 1500 species in the animal kingdom that practice some form of homosexual behaviour.

Rocker saved by grace
03/18/13 4:01 pm

Liberal: I know you aren't, I was just saying that there are two commandments by which Christians ought to live. Scott is bringing the second greatest commandment into play which is: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

laliberal Baton Rouge, LA
03/18/13 4:01 pm

Rocker that's your opinion and we respect it but nobody saw god either writing the book or speaking to those that did, ergo, it's not provable.

scottstots Georgia
03/18/13 4:02 pm

Sorry I meant preservation of your species is NOT morality

laliberal Baton Rouge, LA
03/18/13 4:06 pm

I don't think Scott is Christian either.

scottstots Georgia
03/18/13 4:07 pm

Ifb2: I agree good and bad cannot be proven because they DO NOT exist outside of the human brain. My concept of morality is certainly different than yours and that exactly my point. Morality is not divine.

Rocker saved by grace
03/18/13 4:07 pm

I don't recall saying that animals never engaged in homosexual behavior, I just said I haven't ever heard of it. @liberal

scottstots Georgia
03/18/13 4:10 pm

Laliberal: I'm not Christian. I don't believe a bit of the bible was divinely inspired. Yet, I'm still a nice guy and have never killed or maimed. And when I die, ill rot in the ground like everyone else. And miraculously, I feel life is still worth living

Rocker saved by grace
03/18/13 4:11 pm

There are two camps: God's and Satan's. If your father isn't God you will not believe what He says is right. If your father is God, you will be able to easily discern right and wrong. What I am saying is that morality is not relative.

laliberal Baton Rouge, LA
03/18/13 4:13 pm

Scott. I know. :) I didn't say you were and neither am I and I don't think for one moment I'm going to "burn forever"

Rocker saved by grace
03/18/13 4:13 pm

What if I don't believe that the laws of gravity should apply to me if I don't believe in them. So I should be able to jump off my roof and nothing will happen. An extreme example, but it points directly to what I am saying. Whether or not you believe it, it is so.

scottstots Georgia
03/18/13 4:14 pm

Morality is absolutely relative. Take the idea of killing. It's right sometimes and wrong sometimes. Self defense is right, cold blooded murder is wrong. Capital punishment, war, abortion? Right or wrong? Stealing a loaf of bread for your children to eat, right or wrong? It's ALL relative

thebarr
03/18/13 4:16 pm

Scotts: So you agree that morality without God is meaningless. You say "I'm a nice guy, I haven't killed or maimed" but Hitler is equally "nice" by his own (equally valid) set of rules.

scottstots Georgia
03/18/13 4:17 pm

Satan, Lucifer, the devil - it's all made up too. If lucifer was once an angel and was in heaven and there's no sin in heaven, how did he sin? Doesn't make sense. The allegory needed a contrast. God is good, sin (devil) is bad. Do what I say is good, you get heaven, if not, you get hell.

thebarr
03/18/13 4:18 pm

Scotts: Circumstantial does not equal relative. Science is circumstantial e.g. Does wood burn at 500 degrees? Depends on the other conditions ... But it's not relative per se e.g. "I don't think wood should burn, so it won't."

Rocker saved by grace
03/18/13 4:19 pm

Scott, how would you know if cold-blooded murder is wrong?

scottstots Georgia
03/18/13 4:19 pm

Ifb2: I think I said earlier that I base morality on its effect on others. Hitler clearly effected others in a negative way. He was certainly entitled to his morals, and others were entitled to disagree

scottstots Georgia
03/18/13 4:20 pm

Rocker: it's wrong because they took away others right to live

scottstots Georgia
03/18/13 4:21 pm

Ifb2: semantics. In this case relative to the situation and circumstantial are interchangeable.

Rocker saved by grace
03/18/13 4:22 pm

Scott: I have wondered that same question myself. And me being incapable of understanding it on my own, just further proves my faith in an omnipotent, omniscient God.

laliberal Baton Rouge, LA
03/18/13 4:22 pm

Rocker... Gravity is provable, god is not. That's really apples to oranges and unfortunately for you you didn't make a point.

Rocker saved by grace
03/18/13 4:24 pm

Scott, do you believe that same sex marriage is wrong. Do you think it affects others in negative ways?

Rocker saved by grace
03/18/13 4:27 pm

Liberal, my point was that if I fail to believe what you consider proof for gravity, then the rules shouldn't apply to me. That is what you are saying here. What would you consider "proof" for my God? Healings, books written about people's experiences with both Heaven and hell?

thebarr
03/18/13 4:28 pm

Scotts: The idea that my actions' effects on others ought to influence me is in itself a moral idea, and hence circular reasoning for the source of morality.

ayeyguy Arizona
03/18/13 4:39 pm

An intellectually honest atheist is a nihilist.
The attempts by posters here to have morality (i.e. shooting innocent kids for no reason is wrong) without an objective standard has failed.
It's the classic "is vs. ought"; "value vs. fact".
Only nihilism is compatible with atheism (which is fine).

scottstots Georgia
03/18/13 4:40 pm

Ifb2: if you judge my care for others as moral, fine, but it certainly doesn't prove god as a source of absolute morality. You're kind of pissing in the wind

scottstots Georgia
03/18/13 4:41 pm

Rocker: I'm fine with same sex marriage

thebarr
03/18/13 4:43 pm

Scotts: I wasn't trying to prove God as a source, only that a source is needed. See Ayeyguy's post above. Case closed.

scottstots Georgia
03/18/13 4:46 pm

Ayeyguy: I'm fine with that characterization for the most part

scottstots Georgia
03/18/13 4:48 pm

Ifb2: I'm fine with that. I began with saying that all these things are human constructs and don't exist anywhere else in nature.

Rocker saved by grace
03/18/13 4:50 pm

Scotts: Okay, so if you were to have lunch with a Jewish person, would you order a pork sandwich being completely aware that it is against his beliefs? Could it affect him negatively to see you eating something that he considers unclean, even though you know it is permissible to eat it?

scottstots Georgia
03/18/13 4:54 pm

I would be comfortable eating pork in front of a Jewish friend. I don't think it would affect him/her in a negative way. I would assume he would know I eat pork or we would go to a kosher restaurant. I wear clothes of mixed fabrics too and don't observe the Sabbath.

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 4:57 pm

No, Scott, some animals exhibit moral behavior. It's not strictly human. Stop saying that.

scottstots Georgia
03/18/13 5:00 pm

Ok kscott, I will stop saying it, although I believe it. I'm getting good at this morality stuff.

Rocker saved by grace
03/18/13 5:03 pm

Scott, do you think that disrespect could affect a person negatively in any way? By the way, Christians are allowed to wear clothes of mixed fabrics.

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 5:06 pm

A gorilla once saved a boy from other gorillas that fell into the zoo's enclosure until a worker came and got him. That is a moral decision.

laliberal Baton Rouge, LA
03/18/13 5:10 pm

Bible days you're not supposed to wear mixed fabrics in the same exact book it says "homosexuality is wrong" proof Christians cherry pick their rules.

Rocker saved by grace
03/18/13 5:13 pm

Liberal: no, the mixed fabrics scripture is Deuteronomy 22:11 and homosexuality scripture is Leviticus 18:23. Look at the verses surrounding that verse and look at the principle behind it. The Israelites were not supposed to look like the Pagans, so they weren't supposed to wear mixed fabrics...

Rocker saved by grace
03/18/13 5:16 pm

But we (Christians) aren't supposed to act or appear like heathens, rather we are to be sanctified. In Leviticus 18:23 the principle has remained the same. In the NT, Jesus speaks against Sodom and Gomorrah. The main sin of those cities was homosexuality. Both cities were destroyed.

laliberal Baton Rouge, LA
03/18/13 5:20 pm

You know what? 58% of Americans support gay marriage. It was in the 30s at the beginning of the last decade. Gay marriage WILL become legal in all 50 states. I suggest you get on the right side of history and stop being a bigot. It's rather sad that Christians can't separate church from state.

scottstots Georgia
03/18/13 5:22 pm

Rocker: I was giving an example of Jewish laws I don't obey with the mixed fibers. When I'm talking about negatively affecting others, I'm talking about their right to do things. My hypothetical Jewish friend is free to leave

Rocker saved by grace
03/18/13 5:25 pm

You are making it obvious you don't want God here in America, that means His blessing will go with Him. Notice how the unemployment rate has plummeted since America kicked God out.

scottstots Georgia
03/18/13 5:26 pm

Kscott: Sounds like a nice monkey

Rocker saved by grace
03/18/13 5:31 pm

I thought we all were allowed the pursuit of happiness @ Scotts

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 5:36 pm

Gorilla with morals. Must've read a law or philosophy book because he sure wouldn't figure that out on his own.
La, you're a hypocritical bigot that you want everyone to allow you to marry your partner but that believers should be persecuted because you don't agree.

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 5:38 pm

Christians aren't the ones with a problem of separation of church and state. The liberals want to force religious-based business entities to provide birth control even against their religious beliefs.

laliberal Baton Rouge, LA
03/18/13 5:40 pm

Rocker you really sound crazy. Take it from somebody looking in from the outside. God has nothing to do with our country's success or failure.

scottstots Georgia
03/18/13 5:45 pm

Rocker: I can't see how I would be denying my hypothetical Jewish friend his right to pursue happiness. He doesn't have to eat with me

scottstots Georgia
03/18/13 5:49 pm

Kscott: your example, if true, sounds like nice story and I certainly can't account for all animal behavior worldwide, but I fail to see how your baby saving gorilla proves animal morality.

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 6:01 pm

Why would a gorilla bother to save another species? It's not part of instinct and serves no purpose for survival. So what is it?

scottstots Georgia
03/18/13 7:00 pm

I don't know why the monkey did it. Neither do you. Whatever it is, it doesn't mean that the monkey was acting morally. Just because it can't be explained doesn't mean it's morality.

pappaledu
03/18/13 9:02 pm

The love you have for your family is a human construct of chemicals in your brain. Hmmmm I think it's something more.

yallnoit
03/18/13 11:42 am

It ends only if you die in Delaware? Watch out J. B.

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sohiskooo Blackhawks parade
03/18/13 10:47 am

I think youre concious experience doesnt just stop. It probably continues in some odd form. Or god takes care of it.

GoFlo Peace Through Strength
03/18/13 10:24 am

It's your call. Just sharing some wisdom guys. It sounds like you're halfway there. I think being good & productive is a prerequisite to getting in to heaven.

pappaledu
03/18/13 11:32 am

If your idea of Heaven is from the Christian worldview, then faith in Christ, not good deeds, is the prerequisite.

Rocker saved by grace
03/18/13 1:40 pm

There's only one God

laliberal Baton Rouge, LA
03/18/13 5:11 pm

I believe there's no god. My opinion.

Reincheld
03/18/13 10:20 am

Death is the end. We go nowhere else but into the ground.

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alacarteblanche
03/18/13 9:26 am

I love you Delaware

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tsk California
03/18/13 8:56 am

Atheism went down? Last time it was closer to 40%.

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GoFlo Peace Through Strength
03/18/13 8:46 am

“I would rather live my life as if there is a god and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is.” -Albert Camus

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tazmo72 Austin
03/18/13 8:56 am

When you die, you won't find out anything because your dead and that's it...oh, besides getting eaten by bugs and bacteria!

EnragedPirate
03/18/13 9:15 am

I would rather live my life in a way that is good, productive, and fulfilling rather than spending a moment of precious time worshipping a thing that probably is not real and that almost certainly would know I only showed fealty out of fear of eternal damnation and wouldn't have me anyway.

rlands
03/18/13 9:36 am

Camus and his existentialism...he actually condemned religion, so that's a weird quote. Shows the triviality to him of there being a god.

GoFlo Peace Through Strength
03/18/13 10:25 am

I believe Mr. Camus came to this conclusion later in his life. Kind of like myself. When the people you love start going away you search for a way. The only conduit I see right now is believing, like they did. Just a thought.

GoFlo Peace Through Strength
03/18/13 10:35 am

It's your call. Sharing a little wisdom. But, it does sound like you're halfway there because being good & productive is a prerequisite for getting in to heaven.

EnragedPirate
03/18/13 10:58 am

I appreciate that. I should also say that I don't want to worship a god who will cast me into eternal suffering for exercising the powers of reason he gave me to conclude that he probably did not exist. Such an act of petty malice is not deserving of adulation.

EnragedPirate
03/18/13 11:02 am

I would rather sit in hellfire with the condemned than in the good graces of such a wicked being. Thus, if god is worth serving he will understand why I never served him.

pappaledu
03/18/13 11:33 am

I believe this quote is Pascal, not Camus

GoFlo Peace Through Strength
03/18/13 12:08 pm

@Pirate that's cool, it's your choice.

GoFlo Peace Through Strength
03/18/13 12:15 pm

@pappal the quote is Camus. Pascal's Wager is several possibilities put forward by him in which he asks which makes the most sense for an individual to choose. I don't think he ever picks one. Although the one where God exists makes the most sense. Camus appears to make that choice & summed it up.

Rocker saved by grace
03/18/13 2:58 pm

Pirate, you are confusing my God with your god. My God is not the wicked being, yours is.

cowboy Doors of Perception
03/18/13 6:29 am

No. The human brain produces electricity. You can not destroy energy. We are all energy. This is a fact.

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EnragedPirate
03/18/13 7:21 am

The energy that your body contains goes into feeding all the little critters who eat you after you die. The bits they don't eat lose energy through radioactive decay over time.

Rocker saved by grace
03/18/13 2:59 pm

Cowboy, just wondering, are you a Christian?

Rocker saved by grace
03/18/13 3:00 pm

I ask because I see you posting often and a lot of what you say makes sense.

ffchusky
03/18/13 7:32 am

From derp...that is all

tdaddy Kentucky
03/18/13 1:05 am

No, our atomic particles live forever. (:

EnragedPirate
03/18/13 4:56 am

I think the question is asking if death is the end of life, not if death is the end of our matter. Our atomic particles do go on long after we are gone, a fact I find some comfort in, but those particles are not "alive." Life is occurring at a cellular level.

Miso
03/18/13 12:44 am

Hey if the universe is infinite-which is hard for me to get my mind around I believe anything is possible

Miso
03/18/13 12:43 am

I definitely believe death is not the end. I have had ghostly experiences due to where I lived as a kid until the age of 6. I believe in reincarnation though but I think the 'rules' are different for everyone.

niteowl Hold Fast
03/18/13 4:28 am

Miso, where did you live as a kid?

snowg Tx
03/18/13 12:27 am

if this map is true, why do so many people say YOLO?

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MrAngerer
03/18/13 4:10 am

Because everyone who says YOLO or SWAG is working at McDonalds or has about 20 children from 7 different girls to take care of.

RElmer
03/17/13 11:31 pm

Being dead is no different than before you were alive. Nothingness. There is no after life. People need to grow up and stop comforting themselves with fairy tales.

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nslam Texas
03/18/13 12:01 am

Why? What purpose would that serve?

RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
03/18/13 6:19 am

It wound mean that more people would realize that it's the "here and now" that's important. You have a limited time with the people you love. I know someone who feels guilty that they don't spend more time with their grandmother, but has told me that it's ok. She'll get to spend eternity...

RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
03/18/13 6:21 am

...with her in heaven.

So in my experience, the "afterlife" is just another excuse for "the faithful" to act like douchebags because they kiss up to their mystical "sky daddy".

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 7:33 am

So what's your excuse then, Rand? Why do you act like a douchebag in the here and now?

RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
03/18/13 7:39 am

I don't act like a douchebag. How is pointing out the utter fallacy and hypocrisy of deism a bad thing? Education and knowledge are the remedy for the disease that is religious belief.

How is religious "faith" ANY different than schizophrenia or other mental illnesses?

RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
03/18/13 7:41 am

You talk to people that do not exist. You have no ability to take in and comprehend new information. You cannot view reality for what it is. And are frequently a danger to yourself and others.

That's why religious institutions should be banned and their members required to undergo psych evals.

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 8:05 am

Tell you what, lets hear your belief of how old the earth is and how humans got here. You've already made it clear you have no knowledge of the disease process so I don't care what you have to say on that subject. Everything else you said past that is just spewed hatred and ignorance.

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 8:07 am

I've been wanting to know...which Rand are you a fan of? How old are you? Occupation?

RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
03/18/13 8:17 am

How is pointing out facts "spewing hatred"? You are the one who supports hatred. Denying health care, human rights, etc. all based upon the barbaric scribblings of semiliterate misogynists 2000 years ago. Try empathy and education of dogma, bigotry, and ignorance.

RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
03/18/13 8:21 am

Let's see... The earth is 4.54 billion years old. The animals we refer to as human beings evolved from (I suppose if you went far enough back) single celled organisms. I'm a fan of the novels of Ayn Rand, but not a dogmatic follower of Objectivism. And I'm a jeweler.

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 8:57 am

What facts? "Fallacy, hypocrisy, religion is a disease"? Lol, and how did you come up with 4.54 billion years?

RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
03/18/13 9:04 am

The age came from google. And as I've stated before, how else would you describe a person that talks to imaginary beings, ignores objective facts, attacks others for failing to embrace their own unproven delusions? Religion is a virus that is spread by the ignorant.

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 9:18 am

How about Googling "Flaws with radiometric dating". They make assumptions about the beginning of the earth based on their biased assumptions that its billions of years old. Half-lives of radioactive material occurs over millions of years. Who was there to measure the chemical makeup? It's flawed

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 9:21 am

just like your logic. You have no facts, only saying how religion is a "virus" and that Christians talk to imaginary beings. If you want objectivity then read something from the other side of your argument for once. I'm not trying to convince you to believe, I'm proving you only believe what you're

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 9:23 am

told. You sound like an ignoramus in every post I've read. It's always how right you think you are and everyone else is an idiot. How many years did you spend in college or doing an independent study on religion, biology, geology, or anything related to what were talking about. Facts, you're a joke!

RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
03/18/13 9:25 am

So because the current methodology is not yet advanced enough to give you the day of the week, that means your insane belief system is dogmatically correct?

RElmer
03/18/13 9:31 am

Anyone who rejects the Big Bang in favor of myth is a complete moron. Countless evidence, not just carbon dating, proves the universe is billions of years old. Otherwise we couldn't even see Andromeda. My brother works at CERN. Scientists are smarter than ancient sheep herders.

RElmer
03/18/13 9:33 am

Why place any special value in the bible? It is just an old collection of stories of an evil fictional character it calls god. What makes it different than the odyssey? At least the odyssey hasn't been edited, changed, and subjected to political manipulations.

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 9:49 am

I didn't say that Rand. I asked how old the earth was. And the methodology can NEVER be accurate because it still lacks the starting measurement of the chemical composition.

RElmer
03/18/13 9:53 am

There are several ways to gauge the age of the Earth. All point to billions. A small margin of error may exist, but it is enough to prove it is billions of years old. Rejecting science for myth and saying only thousands is beyond insane and stupid. That is like saying N. America is 8 yards wide.

RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
03/18/13 9:59 am

I've spent 8 years between high school and college with comparative religion classes. Additionally, 8 years of science classes. To be honest, not too much in advanced biology (I'm not a fan of squishy stuff)

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 10:00 am

A "BIg Bang" is not contradictory to the Bible. But what created the initial, infinitely dense material in the first place before the explosion? In an explosion you don't get order. Laws of thermodynamics. But I guess your smarter brother can tell you that. You can't get a pile of bricks, explode

RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
03/18/13 10:03 am

But anyone with even a basic reading of the Christian bible could see its contradictions.

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 10:03 am

them, and expect to have a building. Scientists can't explain the order of the Universe so they try to make their data fit their theories. Like, why is the background radiation uniform if all matter radiated from a common center? Scientists have changed their theories many times and still can't

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 10:04 am

explain it. A truly intelligent person knows when to say "I don't know"

RElmer
03/18/13 10:08 am

At least scientists are asking questions and seeking truth. They reason it changes is they accept new data when it is proven. Just because we don't know everything doesn't render it false nor does it validate any deity, let alone the Christian one.

RElmer
03/18/13 10:09 am

Believing in something just because it can't be disproven or we don't know everything so it might be possible is childish at best. We don't know everything, but we know enough. Including universal constants and math.

RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
03/18/13 10:10 am

That's not science. Science changes their theories to fit the data. Science is all about saying "I don't know". But also followed by "I'm going to find out". Religion is all about "the sky daddy did it, so I don't need to use my brain".

RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
03/18/13 10:12 am

Science is about learning and discovery. Religion is about Boeing and scraping to the ramblings of 2000 year old mystics who were too stupid to know why the sky was blue, much less the nature of matter.

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 10:22 am

RElmer, the systems used for gauging the age of the earth, all of them, lack a starting measurement and therefore they cannot extrapolate any sense of a ballpark guess. The elements used for gauging age all have half-lives on the order of billions of years. So unless you find someone that old that

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 10:23 am

happened to measure the starting chemical makeup then it's all flawed. Ask your brother if I'm wrong. I'm not even relating this to religion, so you can stop using your "religion is insane" argument as a rebuttal.

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 10:26 am

Then if you understand math then you know you can't get an answer without subtracting one number from another. We're missing the starting number.

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 10:30 am

So now you admit science changes all the time and is constantly wrong! New evidence proves their last theory wrong so why are you gripping so tight that "this time they got it right!"?

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 10:41 am

The non-religionists back then didn't know why the sky was blue or the nature of matter either. Religion and science are not opposites anyway. There are lots of scientists that are Christians.

ayeyguy Arizona
03/18/13 10:54 am

RandFan clearly has zero understanding of epistemology.
(This is specific to him and his arguments, not something I'm tossing on all atheists.)

RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
03/18/13 11:02 am

You simply demonstrate your total lack of reason and logic. Religion has been constantly shown to be nothing but fraud and lies, does nothing to change in the face of objective evidence, but yet you still cling to it. Why?

RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
03/18/13 11:05 am

No one has ever given me a concrete reason to justify their "beliefs". I wouldn't mind so much, but those same "believers" use their cultist systems to pursue an agenda of bigotry and misogyny.

RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
03/18/13 11:07 am

I may get irate at the stupidity of the "faithful" but at least I never use discredited storybooks to force rape victims to carry their attackers spawn. I don't condemn people for loving the the same gender, and I don't subvert the educational process by introducing mysticism as fact in school.

RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
03/18/13 11:08 am

When are you going to explain the difference between religious belief and schizophrenia?

Or are you unable to because there isn't one?

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 11:20 am

Where's my lack of reason and logic, Rand? I've proved how you're wrong but you can't prove the opposite, only just say that I'm wrong bc i don't agree. I wasn't even bringing religion into it. And I don't go to church therefore I don't belong to any cultist system as you say.

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 11:26 am

Well, jackass, one is a disease that consists of social and occupational functioning that affects speech and cognition. You're wasting my time with off-topic distractions that you obviously have no understanding of.

RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
03/18/13 11:27 am

No you haven't. You somy demonstrated you have no understanding of the nature of science. When new evidence is discovered, understanding grows, and the hypothesis is altered.

RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
03/18/13 11:29 am

When there is a discovery that contradicts religion, the discoverer is attacked. It used to be the discoverer was murdered, but now they are just called names. So I suppose that is some progress.

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 11:40 am

In most cases there are too many careers on the line, money at stake, for them to admit they're fallible and can't prove the age of the earth. We would have to completely rewrite the textbooks. Then who would you trust? Don't be a sheep

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 11:43 am

I actually have a degree in biology, Rand. What's yours in? What do you think I studied for years in college? And I have a minor in chemistry. Asking you for answers on this is like asking a fish for directions. You have no idea.

RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
03/18/13 11:56 am

What school did you get your degree in? How can you possibly be a biologist when you believe the "sky daddy" created everything? And most importantly, how can you continue believing in ancient BS when you have objective evidence right in front of you?

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 12:12 pm

Univ of South Florida. Was only a few classes from getting my Masters in Public Health when I changed directions in career. How does biology fly in the face of religion? Philosophy question for you: if you believe in evolution or the Big Bang or whatever, who or what created the initial matter?

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 12:15 pm

Here's the thing, Rand. I'm not trying to convince you to believe in God or any religion for that matter. But if you want to use science, which I know a TON about, at least be honest and say that scientists don't have all the answers. Bc if the answer was soooo irrefutable then there'd be zero

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 12:19 pm

disputes, right? Like I said, I'm not a religious fanatic. I don't go to church, my stepbrother is homosexual, and i don't agree with any organized religion. Most churches today are money whores and are hypocritical. But science has not disproven ID.

RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
03/18/13 12:20 pm

I've never said that science has ALL the answers right now. However, science does have the methodology to search for the answers. All religion has is the same tired lies and hypocrisy it's spouted for thousands of years.

RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
03/18/13 12:21 pm

It's human hubris that decided that a "who" created the matter.

If you're not a fanatic, why are you defending the most destructive force human beings have ever created?

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 12:26 pm

Then simple methodology would show you can't determine the age of the earth using an element with a half-life over a billion years of you don't know the starting point. It's simply not possible, not by a long shot. Please research what I'm telling you.

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 12:29 pm

I said "who or what". It wasn't hubris. And I'm not defending the actions of millions that fight and kill over their beliefs. It's really sad and not a teaching in the Bible. In fact, just the opposite. Many religions found a way to make money off of people's fears and killed to maintain that flow

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 12:32 pm

of money. Those are the hypocrites that even I despise. No matter what you're feelings on religions are, and its not my business, you have no right to say that my beliefs are insane and unfounded. You want freedom for the lgbt community but not for Christians?? Who's the hypocrite?

RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
03/18/13 12:35 pm

So you simply choose to ignore the symptoms of religion to make ourself feel better? Because there is not currently enough information, there must be a deity creating and controlling everything? And you claim that belief is not crazy? Please!

RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
03/18/13 12:37 pm

There is massively more evidence for evolution that there is for creationism. There is no objective evidence for the existence of a deity of any kind. None. No experiments that have verifiable and repeatable results.

RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
03/18/13 12:39 pm

You don't think that "belief" in the nonexistent demonstrates a failure of cognition?

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 12:39 pm

I'm not ignoring the symptoms of religions. How do you propose I do something about it? I can't save the world.
You haven't answered where the original matter came from...

RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
03/18/13 12:45 pm

Simple. Stop supporting and defending religion. Use logic, reason, and empathy in making your life choices. And encourage other to do the same.

RElmer
03/18/13 12:45 pm

The before is irrelevant, gravity distorts space and time. . Cycles of big bangs or a finite one. Space and time is infinite.

RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
03/18/13 12:46 pm

You appear to be an intelligent person. Stop believing in fairy tales and acknowledge reality.

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 12:48 pm

And the vast majority believed the earth was flat for decades until it was proven wrong. It was blasphemous. One simple, tangible proof is who/what created the initial matter? Answer that. Matter can neither be created nor destroyed, right? Science

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 12:51 pm

RElmer, the before IS absolutely relevant. Go ask your brother how the initial matter came about. He must be more intelligent than you. Cycles only occur after something sets them in motion.

RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
03/18/13 12:55 pm

I'm not sure what you're arguing here. The tenets of religion have been constantly proven wrong for centuries. We just haven't been at it long enough to have all the answers yet.

But not one claim of the bible has been demonstrated to be true.

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 12:55 pm

I will always support and defend Christianity and the Bible. That's unwavering. Organized religion is not my concern. Do some research on www.earthage.org. You can say its biased all you want but find a scientist that can say its wrong.

RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
03/18/13 12:57 pm

There isn't even any first account evidence of the existence of Jesus. Any logical analysis of religion tears it to shreds. And all religion has to defend itself is.... Nothing.

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 1:09 pm

The Flood has been proven to be true by science. Look it up. That's just one example. I don't have time to go through them all. And you can't prove a "faith" of religion of any sort to be untrue. I don't follow organized religion but so understand that.

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 1:12 pm

Your opinions are not logical arguments against faith. You still have not provided proof that there isn't a God. And still no answer to what came before the Big Bang or whatever you believe. Saying its crazy bc you can't test it is not a logical argument.

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 1:18 pm

This is no longer productive for us to debate as neither of us will change our minds. Lets agree to disagree.

RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
03/18/13 1:26 pm

I suppose I engage in these discussions because I struggle to understand how people can believe in something that is demonstrably false in a world filled with information.

kscott516 EB rules
03/18/13 1:34 pm

I can respect that you don't always understand someone else's beliefs. And obviously you haven't been shown or found any evidence to point to a God. That's fine. But that doesn't mean the opposite is true. And you don't have to be nasty about it.

thebarr
03/18/13 3:16 pm

Rand: So you think that religion is like schizophrenia? Despite the lack of disorganized thought, negative symptoms, etc. You seem to have a radical opinion distinctly different from all psychiatrists, doctors, the APA, etc. Who's making up pseudo-science now?

BeWhoYouAre 67209
03/17/13 11:07 pm

Death is not the end. Because if it is, why work? Life would then be a 24/7 party. There would be no wars and peace would be throughout the world.

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WalkingEmphasis Oregon
03/17/13 11:01 pm

There needs to be a "Who knows?" option.

RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
03/18/13 6:25 am

Because you're alive now! So you're saying the only purpose in life is to suck up to the "sky daddy" and hope he'll let you in to the exclusive "after life" club? That's even more depressing

jabinaise Oregon
03/17/13 9:32 pm

70% denial in this country... live for those that are left after you're gone because the end is not for everyone.

tenletters New York
03/17/13 8:33 pm

Regardless of your beliefs, live like it IS the end because you never know.

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1111111 Wayne
03/17/13 8:11 pm

Cognito ergo sum. Dead people don't think.

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kscott516 EB rules
03/17/13 8:12 pm

Neither do some live people

1111111 Wayne
03/17/13 8:17 pm

While technically untrue, I completely agree.

kscott516 EB rules
03/17/13 8:23 pm

I understand the technical part but it sure seems to fit

niteowl Hold Fast
03/17/13 9:04 pm

I hide, therefore I am? ;)

Oh autocorrect

1111111 Wayne
03/18/13 1:54 pm

Gotta love it.

brianparks69 charlotte
03/17/13 8:04 pm

The sad part is that there are so many people so concerned about what might come after and all the rules for getting there that they make life here miserable for anyone who doesn't agree with them, not to mention for themselves...no sex before marriage...seriously??

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brianparks69 charlotte
03/17/13 8:05 pm

What matters is the here and now. Period. Everything else is fantasy.

colematts Buffalo, New York
03/17/13 8:45 pm

This is all we know. Why waste it on something we believe?

shoppe4u Michigan
03/17/13 8:50 pm

Why is it that sex is always the one topic that so many seem to think is the most important in the world. There are things that are much more important. By waiting and presenting yourself as a gift to your spouse makes thinhs far more meaningful and enjoyable. Life after death absolutely.

colematts Buffalo, New York
03/17/13 8:59 pm

But you're missing the point- sex can be meaningful and that's great. But it can also be fun, exhilarating, meaningless but sensational. You're losing out on all the other aspects of sex. It's not the only point- but it's just one to demonstrate the silliness of religion.

shoppe4u Michigan
03/17/13 9:17 pm

@colemats Check the stats & talk to people who lived that way for a while. Their usually broken, confused & afraid to admit because the world at large tells them it's all realitive anyway.

brianparks69 charlotte
03/17/13 9:19 pm

What if the person you save yourself for just happens to be the same sex as you? Is that less special? Oh , those pesky rules getting in the way if common sense and decency. I don't proclaim absolute knowledge of what comes after, but I'm not going to waste this life worrying about what might be.

colematts Buffalo, New York
03/17/13 9:23 pm

@shoppe4u Yeah they're happy because it's the best sex they've ever had... because they've never had any other sex